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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Whatever helps you sleep at night, he was smack dab in the middle of his prime and he lost. I know that's tough to swallow for his fans, it happens to almost every fighter. Sorry kid.

He was 41-1 before Prison. (Broke all the records)

9(2) - 5 after prison over the course of 10 years.

observer1 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Whatever helps you sleep at night, he was smack dab in the middle of his prime and he lost. I know that's tough to swallow for his fans, it happens to almost every fighter. Sorry kid.

How was he in the middle of his prime Saad?

Sure, physically he was better of Post-Prison.

But can you actually say with a serious face, that he was better Post-Prison than when he was Pre-Prison?

If you actually sit down and watch his fights Pre and Post Prison, you could be convinced it was 2 different fighters.

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He was 41-1 before Prison. (Broke all the records)

9(2) - 5 after prison over the course of 10 years.

misterpunch wrote:prison only slammed in the last nail of his coffin - his head was not in the best place way before douglas knocked it off! women trouble, trainer trouble, media trouble, ego trouble, accountant trouble, promoter trouble, - this guy had to be some kind of god to have kept his form during that whirlwind...and he wasnt

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hhaehre wrote:

Rocky Balboa wrote:Holyfield vs Tyson. "FINALLY"

Great performance from Evander. Not to undermine or diminish such a victory, but just how ANYONE felt Tyson would be the fighter he was four years previous, when this fight was originally scheduled, let alone the fighter he was during his peak, is laughable.

Why is that laughable? At the time Holyfield was considered passed it after poor showings in the third Bowe fight and the Czyz fight while Tyson had looked pretty good in his comeback, especially in his destruction of Bruno. The fight was more a case of Evander proving people wrong than Tyson being a shadow of his old self.

It's laughable because the man had been inactive for four years, thereof them spent in a prison cell, meaning during three years he didn't even lace up a pair of gloves, let alone do anything else remotely to do with Boxing. He was never going to be the fighter he was before he went to jail, let alone the one who tore through the division at his peak.

misterpunch wrote:prison only slammed in the last nail of his coffin - his head was not in the best place way before douglas knocked it off! women trouble, trainer trouble, media trouble, ego trouble, accountant trouble, promoter trouble, - this guy had to be some kind of god to have kept his form during that whirlwind...and he wasnt

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Whatever helps you sleep at night, he was smack dab in the middle of his prime and he lost. I know that's tough to swallow for his fans, it happens to almost every fighter. Sorry kid.

dan28uk wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Whatever helps you sleep at night, he was smack dab in the middle of his prime and he lost. I know that's tough to swallow for his fans, it happens to almost every fighter. Sorry kid.

your so arrogant y cant u just except someone else's opinion.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

dan28uk wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Whatever helps you sleep at night, he was smack dab in the middle of his prime and he lost. I know that's tough to swallow for his fans, it happens to almost every fighter. Sorry kid.

your so arrogant y cant u just except someone else's opinion.

First off, the arrogant comments were quite mutual. Secondly, why can't you just accept me not accepting his opinion?

dan28uk wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

dan28uk wrote:

your so arrogant y cant u just except someone else's opinion.

First off, the arrogant comments were quite mutual. Secondly, why can't you just accept me not accepting his opinion?

i do, you just come across that way

misterpunch wrote:can you blame anyone for thinking youre are an arrogant so and so? the truth is its YOU who are unable to accept the opinion of someone else for a very good reason;

1. my argument is a winner

and i'm not a tyson fan - never have been - in fact i firmly believe that allying oneself to a favourite fighter seriously ruins ones judgement..you have proved that

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

misterpunch wrote:can you blame anyone for thinking youre are an arrogant so and so? the truth is its YOU who are unable to accept the opinion of someone else for a very good reason;

1. my argument is a winner

and i'm not a tyson fan - never have been - in fact i firmly believe that allying oneself to a favourite fighter seriously ruins ones judgement..you have proved that

No, I'm definitely extremely opinionated/arrogant. Can you accept that you're the same? Your argument is flimsy and weak. I never accused you of being a Tyson fan and your assertion that I'm biased is just more confirmation of your own arrogance.

misterpunch wrote:does he do this a lot? have i been suckered into this one? - oh well, we live and learn. gilgermesh's argument is opposed to mine but there is (like my own) not a trace of arrogance in it - thats how it should be.

thanks for the warning and i wont get caught again

Bobbyptsd wrote:

misterpunch wrote:does he do this a lot? have i been suckered into this one? - oh well, we live and learn. gilgermesh's argument is opposed to mine but there is (like my own) not a trace of arrogance in it - thats how it should be.

thanks for the warning and i wont get caught again

He often mistakes arrogance, for some kind of superiority.

He isn't nearly as smart as he'd like to think, and he can't write very well, but he is persistent, I'll give him that. It's sort of like trying to argue with a person with down syndrome who's absolutely convinced he's smarter than you, he won't give up.

That's about the nicest thing I have to say about him.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:It's amazing how there wasn't one person in the universe that noticed his prime ending before the Douglas fight, as soon as he got his ass whipped it was all she wrote. Finished at 24, what a shame.

Rocky Balboa wrote:Holyfield vs Tyson. "FINALLY"

Great performance from Evander. Not to undermine or diminish such a victory, but just how ANYONE felt Tyson would be the fighter he was four years previous, when this fight was originally scheduled, let alone the fighter he was during his peak, is laughable.

Over four years without a fight, three of those years spent in prison - it was impossible for him to be the guy he was in 1991, let alone the guy he was at his best.

Tyson showed proper class & character in this defeat. Mike was never knocked out by shot - it was always the result of severe punishment absorbed. Displayed a great chin on this night. As did Holyfield, who stuck to the game plan.

Had they originally fought in 1991, when Evander was much more susceptible to being drawn into a slugfest, I believe that would have been his undoing. Holyfield was a much more wiser fighter some five years later.