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Hearns for an ATG did not have a good chin. Surprised none mentioned him; he is usually one of the first names to pop up on this topic.

Ambling Alp II wrote:Hearns for an ATG did not have a good chin. Surprised none mentioned him; he is usually one of the first names to pop up on this topic.

His chin wasn't bad; only stopped once below middle by SRL in the 14th.

Does Felix Trinidad count as an ATG?

If so, I'm nominating him.

Syntax Error wrote:Does Felix Trinidad count as an ATG?

If so, I'm nominating him.

Yes, he counts, but he only was stopped once--at middle by an ATG middle.

Trinidad had bad balance, keeping his feet too close together as he came straight in. Except against Hopkins, he'd bounced back up from flash knockdowns none the worse for wear. He did not have a bad chin.

theone wrote:Trinidad had bad balance, keeping his feet too close together as he came straight in. Except against Hopkins, he'd bounced back up from flash knockdowns none the worse for wear. He did not have a bad chin.

Exactly. Like Hamed.

What about Olivares?
(No dispute, unlike with Norris, that he's an ATG.)

Ambling Alp II wrote:Hearns for an ATG did not have a good chin. Surprised none mentioned him; he is usually one of the first names to pop up on this topic.

It was a pleasant surprise, he wasn't chinny.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ambling Alp II wrote:Hearns for an ATG did not have a good chin. Surprised none mentioned him; he is usually one of the first names to pop up on this topic.

It was a pleasant surprise, he wasn't chinny.

As a fellow Hearns fan, were you concerned about Hearn's chin while you watched him against Roldan and Kinchen.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ambling Alp II wrote:Hearns for an ATG did not have a good chin. Surprised none mentioned him; he is usually one of the first names to pop up on this topic.

It was a pleasant surprise, he wasn't chinny.

As a fellow Hearns fan, were you concerned about Hearn's chin while you watched him against Roldan and Kinchen.

Sure, he was certainly vulnerable, that's a far cry from being chinny. Though I wasn't worried heading into either of those fights. Kinchen may have won.

Saad, what's your definition of chinny?

keithmoonhangover wrote:Saad, what's your definition of chinny?

Duane Bobick

Whatever your definition is how can it include someone who fought top guys over 6 divisions spanning two decades without ever taking a ten count. While Tommy's heart was immense and that helped him forge through tough times, chinny is just a step too far.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Saad, what's your definition of chinny?

Duane Bobick

Whatever your definition is how can it include someone who fought top guys over 6 divisions spanning two decades without ever taking a ten count. While Tommy's heart was immense and that helped him forge through tough times, chinny is just a step too far.

I'm just asking for your own definition of the word.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Saad, what's your definition of chinny?

Duane Bobick

Whatever your definition is how can it include someone who fought top guys over 6 divisions spanning two decades without ever taking a ten count. While Tommy's heart was immense and that helped him forge through tough times, chinny is just a step too far.

The majority of knockouts are not 10 counts, so not having taken a 10 count really doesn't mean much (as if a fighter should get extra credit b/c the ref steps in before a 10 count has to be administered . . vs Hagler he was more "out of it" than many a fighter I've seen take 10 count KO losses).
Hearns had great heart, recuperative powers, and skills which enabled him to survive many a shaky moment. But the guy definitely had a weak chin for an ATG. To argue otherwise is kind of silly.

dempseyfire wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Saad, what's your definition of chinny?

Duane Bobick

Whatever your definition is how can it include someone who fought top guys over 6 divisions spanning two decades without ever taking a ten count. While Tommy's heart was immense and that helped him forge through tough times, chinny is just a step too far.

The majority of knockouts are not 10 counts, so not having taken a 10 count really doesn't mean much (as if a fighter should get extra credit b/c the ref steps in before a 10 count has to be administered . . vs Hagler he was more "out of it" than many a fighter I've seen take 10 count KO losses).
Hearns had great heart, recuperative powers, and skills which enabled him to survive many a shaky moment. But the guy definitely had a weak chin for an ATG. To argue otherwise is kind of silly.

That won't stop Saad. ;;-)

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Saad, what's your definition of chinny?

Duane Bobick

Whatever your definition is how can it include someone who fought top guys over 6 divisions spanning two decades without ever taking a ten count. While Tommy's heart was immense and that helped him forge through tough times, chinny is just a step too far.

I'm just asking for your own definition of the word.

I would think that a chinny fighter is doomed to lose when they get hurt. be it immediately or eventually, they can't recover from being in a bad way.

dempseyfire wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Saad, what's your definition of chinny?

Duane Bobick

Whatever your definition is how can it include someone who fought top guys over 6 divisions spanning two decades without ever taking a ten count. While Tommy's heart was immense and that helped him forge through tough times, chinny is just a step too far.

The majority of knockouts are not 10 counts, so not having taken a 10 count really doesn't mean much (as if a fighter should get extra credit b/c the ref steps in before a 10 count has to be administered . . vs Hagler he was more "out of it" than many a fighter I've seen take 10 count KO losses).
Hearns had great heart, recuperative powers, and skills which enabled him to survive many a shaky moment. But the guy definitely had a weak chin for an ATG. To argue otherwise is kind of silly.

I never said his chin wasn't weak compared to the company he keeps. It obviously was. There aren't any all time greats I would call chinny. If the question was of the 50 or so greatest fighters in history who had the weakest chin, Tommy would probably be the answer. Perhaps that's what he wanted and I just took too much exception to the wording. For the record, I don't think Patterson was chinny either.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

The majority of knockouts are not 10 counts, so not having taken a 10 count really doesn't mean much (as if a fighter should get extra credit b/c the ref steps in before a 10 count has to be administered . . vs Hagler he was more "out of it" than many a fighter I've seen take 10 count KO losses).
Hearns had great heart, recuperative powers, and skills which enabled him to survive many a shaky moment. But the guy definitely had a weak chin for an ATG. To argue otherwise is kind of silly.

That won't stop Saad. ;;-)

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

If you didn't spend all your time sleeping, you could write your book.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

If you didn't spend all your time sleeping, you could write your book.

If you didn't make boring posts like that, I wouldn't get so woozy. I've never had much interest in writing a book, so sleep doesn't hurt that in the slightest. It's frankly weird that you keep bringing it up.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

If you didn't spend all your time sleeping, you could write your book.

If you didn't make boring posts like that, I wouldn't get so woozy. I've never had much interest in writing a book, so sleep doesn't hurt that in the slightest. It's frankly weird that you keep bringing it up.

I better start bringing it up more then.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ambling Alp II wrote:Hearns for an ATG did not have a good chin. Surprised none mentioned him; he is usually one of the first names to pop up on this topic.

It was a pleasant surprise, he wasn't chinny.

As a fellow Hearns fan, were you concerned about Hearn's chin while you watched him against Roldan and Kinchen.

Those fights were at MW and SMW; I consider Hearns at his best at WW and JMW.
Gomez was chinny at FW and SFW; certainly not like that at SBW.

Rover wrote:

Jpreisser wrote:I am merely tossing this out here because I am not sure if it warrants any merit but what do we make of Roy Jones Junior`s chin? Clearly it wasn`t tested in the early stages of his career but later on we have become accustomed to him getting starched.

Don't know if you can glean he had a bad chin in his prime. He was a champ for over a decade before he was first stopped.

Tis true but he was also rarely touched in his prime and when he finally does, a string of pretty vicious knockouts ensues.

Controversial wrote:

Jpreisser wrote:I am merely tossing this out here because I am not sure if it warrants any merit but what do we make of Roy Jones Junior`s chin? Clearly it wasn`t tested in the early stages of his career but later on we have become accustomed to him getting starched.

I don't think his jump up to heavyweight and then back down to light heavyweight done him a lot of favours. That coupled with him getting on in years and losing his edge. He was 35 when he fight got stopped and he has continued to fight when he should have jacked it in. A younger and fresher Jones wouldn't have got KO'd by Tarver or Johnson.

I agree. Much has been made about his jump to heavyweight and I mostly agree with the assessments made. I also agree that Roy Jones Jr. would have beaten both Tarver and Johnson but did they expose the fact that he was chinny. I mean after all, had Jones Jr. retired after the Ruiz fight what would have been on our conclusion of his chin?

I would be interested in reading some of the other posters here define what they consider "chinny"Saad laid out his definition. I explained my opinion when I posted earlier here. I don't think looking at a guys record tells the whole story. You have some fighters who fight in wars and take massive bombs throughut their carrers and then,the legs start to go and he hits the canvas a few times or gets stopped later in his career. I would say for sure Bobick and a guy like Bob Saterfield were chinny. Not ATGs though. Maybe there aren't any true all time greats with bad chins.