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The Dark Destroyer wrote:

Newport Daz wrote:I'm not surprised at this to be honest. While everyone was getting excited about the fight, I always had the sneaky suspicion that Kessler wanted more more money than matchroom could afford. Eddie Hearn has said matches like Froch Vs Kessler and Khan Vs Brook have PPV written all over them. In a recent interview in either BN or BM can't remember which, Adam Smith said there are no plans for PPV with boxing and without that matchroom can't afford Kessler's fee.

I don't think Frochh-Kessler would sell that well on PPV.

Me neither but that's more a reflection of how poorly Froch has been promoted throughout his career.

SteveDow wrote:

The Dark Destroyer wrote:

Newport Daz wrote:I'm not surprised at this to be honest. While everyone was getting excited about the fight, I always had the sneaky suspicion that Kessler wanted more more money than matchroom could afford. Eddie Hearn has said matches like Froch Vs Kessler and Khan Vs Brook have PPV written all over them. In a recent interview in either BN or BM can't remember which, Adam Smith said there are no plans for PPV with boxing and without that matchroom can't afford Kessler's fee.

I don't think Frochh-Kessler would sell that well on PPV.

Me neither but that's more a reflection of how poorly Froch has been promoted throughout his career.

Not totally. Froch rubbed a lot of people up the wrong way on the way up. Loads of my friends who are casual fans could not stand him and would not have dreamed of paying £17.50 to watch him on Primetime.

Much as I dislike FW, if Froch had been promoted by him he'd have been a much bigger name albeit would likely not have fought the same level of opposition.

mickey1975 wrote:

Newport Daz wrote:I'm not surprised at this to be honest. While everyone was getting excited about the fight, I always had the sneaky suspicion that Kessler wanted more more money than matchroom could afford. Eddie Hearn has said matches like Froch Vs Kessler and Khan Vs Brook have PPV written all over them. In a recent interview in either BN or BM can't remember which, Adam Smith said there are no plans for PPV with boxing and without that matchroom can't afford Kessler's fee.

Kessler, quite correctly, would want silly money for coming here. He has already beaten Carl and is a bigger draw in Denmark than Carl is here. When he came over for Calzaghe, he had a lot to gain and the fight was live on US television. It looks impossible without PPV which would contradict everything Adam Smith has said over the last 18 months. As said, its been proved Froch is no PPV fighter, either. Remember, Kostya wanted £3.5m to come over for Ricky...

Brilliant post.

For whatever reason--& it's not promotional, & it's not match-making, & it may just be down to the vagaries of fashion & the fickle nature of fame--Carl just don't fit for the biggest money & the sports papers.

He's a trade fighter. The best we've got currently imo, but still a trade fighter.

Kessler's a farking star in Denmark, to bring him over they're going to have to pay him retirement cash & that means PPV... Which wouldn't sell that well, anyway, Carl being Carl.

Does anyone think Eddie'd be brave & take the risk with Carl, i.e. give Kessler three blondes, a new Ferrari, 3 million quid & twelve hours in the tattoo parlour of his choice, just on the off-chance that Carl could beat him at home & that that would make Frochy the megastar his bollocks have always deserved?

And if he did beat Kessler then everyone would say he must beat Ward! That would require even more cash or a trip to America and another good hiding!

mickey1975 wrote:And if he did beat Kessler then everyone would say he must beat Ward! That would require even more cash or a trip to America and another good hiding!

& would Eddie even be able to make bank on the Ward rematch in America? Ward's brilliant but he hardly pulls Mayweather/Pacquiao money & crowds, does he?

Datsue wrote:For whatever reason--& it's not promotional, & it's not match-making, & it may just be down to the vagaries of fashion & the fickle nature of fame--Carl just don't fit for the biggest money & the sports papers.

He's a trade fighter. The best we've got currently imo, but still a trade fighter.

It's because he's not a dick and, thus far, he hasn't been prepared to act like a dick for an extra zero on his purses, and a regular place on the sofa on Good Morning Britain with Anne and Nick or whatever rehash of that now exists.

Look at Ricky and his man of the people fat-man suit bollocks and Haye full stop. I'm not knocking them because it's worked and they're both minted but some people just aren't prepared to act the goat or trot around like a show pony.

SteveDow wrote:Much as I dislike FW, if Froch had been promoted by him he'd have been a much bigger name albeit would likely not have fought the same level of opposition.

Yup, there is no way FW would have had him in the Super 6, he would have built his career around fighting top 10 guys in the UK and doing a lot of media work etc.
He could have been bigger than Calzaghe, who knows?

Froch has not ever been "promoted" not in any real sense.

Does anyone think Eddie'd be brave & take the risk with Carl, i.e. give Kessler three blondes, a new Ferrari, 3 million quid & twelve hours in the tattoo parlour of his choice, just on the off-chance that Carl could beat him at home & that that would make Frochy the megastar his bollocks have always deserved?[/quote]


Classic.

froch is not a ppv fighter and matchroom cant afford kessler
thats a pity of another super fight not going to happen
2013 look poor so far in the uk with no major announcments yet

big lennox wrote:Does anyone think Eddie'd be brave & take the risk with Carl, i.e. give Kessler three blondes, a new Ferrari, 3 million quid & twelve hours in the tattoo parlour of his choice, just on the off-chance that Carl could beat him at home & that that would make Frochy the megastar his bollocks have always deserved?

Classic.[/quote]

X2 although Kessler's mythical demands make me feel slightly inadequate for some reason

Final round wrote:

big lennox wrote:

Datsue wrote:Does anyone think Eddie'd be brave & take the risk with Carl, i.e. give Kessler three blondes, a new Ferrari, 3 million quid & twelve hours in the tattoo parlour of his choice, just on the off-chance that Carl could beat him at home & that that would make Frochy the megastar his bollocks have always deserved?

Classic.

X2 although Kessler's mythical demands make me feel slightly inadequate for some reason

Mythical! Ha!

I know for a fact* he's got the blondes & the stint in the tattoo parlour written into his contract.

Only negotiable items for Mikkel are the dosh & the new motor.






*: May not be one of your actual real-world facts.

Datsue wrote: Mythical! Ha!

I know for a fact* he's got the blondes & the stint in the tattoo parlour written into his contract.

Only negotiable items for Mikkel are the dosh & the new motor.






*: May not be one of your actual real-world facts.

You're close to the truth there. Someone says he has a penchant for gaggles of blondes ..I hope he can't drive and his Mum looks after his finances

Stevensen has the puching power to end the fight in one punch, but I still have doubts about his chin. Also, technically, he has improved a lot with Emmuel Stewart, but he still need to make progress.

Froch is better technially, but he will have to be careful.

See the link below for the adonis stevenson vs jesus gonzalez fight (the ko happens around 1 min 35)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGX3_1I944w

It's sad that some seem to believe that to 'be ppv' you have to have a certain personality etc.

Froch is regularly involved in very entertaining fights, against the cream in his division, and has held a version of the world title 3 times. Sorry, but over here, I think that should be the perfect description of a ppv fighter.

Ironically, Froch probably has much more about him as a person than the likes of Khan who some would consider a 'ppv fighter'

Still, his loss is our gain! "Free" Froch fights? Sounds effing great to me!

Glad you put free in inverted commas.

I just watched Stevenson's celebrations after knocking his opponent out. For this reason alone I hope he gets to box Froch. It was terrible sportsmanship and he needs to be taught a lesson, and Froch will tear him a new one!!

Excellent fight if it comes off, I've been wanting to see this for awhile.

For most world champs this would be a massively risky fight, Stevenson is a TNT puncher and the type of opponent usually avoided at all costs. But Carl has a chin of iron, so they won't be too worried.

Two big punchers, the better chin is almost always going to come out on top - but it'll be bombs away and spectacular viewing while it lasts.

And no matter how good his chin is, Carl definitely doen't want to get caught clean by the bad news Canadian.

lillywhite14 wrote:It's sad that some seem to believe that to 'be ppv' you have to have a certain personality etc.

It may be sad but it's true.

lillywhite14 wrote:
Ironically, Froch probably has much more about him as a person than the likes of Khan who some would consider a 'ppv fighter'

In what way? i have never seen anything in the way of "personality" from Froch, he doesnt say anything particularly interesting or controversial, he just mumbles away in that Midlands accent of his.
Khan isnt a dynamic personality either, but he at least tries.

In terms of excitement, ill take Khans recent up and down bouts over Frochs recent 12 round snoozefests.

youngrell wrote:Simple answer is, Froch just drops the IBF to fight Kessler for the money. He's so confident of winning so by the time he's done he'll have the WBA belt anyway, so he's not really losing out.

This is ironically similar to Froch being mandatory for Calzaghe and Calzaghe having a money fight elsewhere to take. I wonder if Froch will take a slating if he side-steps the up-and-comer?? ;;-)

No disrespect to Kessler but that title is a paper belt. Ward is the real WBA champ wish the would scrap that 'super' and 'World' champ crap. Still Froch v Kessler is a fight that must happen this year !!!!

Why does Froch Kessler have to be in the UK if it makes more money elsewhere? Froch may believe he didn't get a fair shake last time, but I don't know anyone who thinks he beat Kessler last time out.

Deadendgeneration wrote:Why does Froch Kessler have to be in the UK if it makes more money elsewhere? Froch may believe he didn't get a fair shake last time, but I don't know anyone who thinks he beat Kessler last time out.

But that's logic talking, & people have themselves convinced that 20,000 screaming Midlanders will obviate this:




Myself, I'd just quite like to see them batter the shite out of each other again, don't mind where it is.

big lennox wrote:I just watched Stevenson's celebrations after knocking his opponent out. For this reason alone I hope he gets to box Froch. It was terrible sportsmanship and he needs to be taught a lesson, and Froch will tear him a new one!!

If that's the one where he iced the guy in 90 seconds it's because the guy outed him for his criminal past

Froch is at a point where titles mean little. So if the IBF want to be hardline then he can just say ok I'll box Kessler for his WBA title only. Stevenson have your fight for the vacant title.