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Thing with Gomez is if they got him a crack at the likes of Corralres they could probably make a fist of selling Gomez to the US fight fans, a bit of footage of the Arthur KO here and there, the Mancunian/Mexican/Irish thing would raise a little curiosity for a few fans to switch on before Gomez gets flattened in 3 rounds.

FlawedGenius - Your poem was gay....

Diego Corrales is very overrated IMO. I'd love to see Gomez have a crack!

KOJOE90 wrote:

bennie wrote:

KOJOE90 wrote: Are there anymore details you can give us on this Bennie?

I can't to be honest, KOJOE. I just heard he loves to fight and took part in several bareknuckle 'contests' in and around Manchester after splitting from trainer Brian Hughes (and before joining Billy Graham).

Fair enough mate. . I understand.

Just wondered how he performed etc, can't help being interested in 'the underbelly' of the Noble Art either.

I know for a fact of another VERY well known UK fighter who has recently taken part in a unlicenced fight. He won by the way even though being about 5 stone over his fighting weight,

Dominic Negus? Or better known than him.

bennie wrote:

KOJOE90 wrote:

bennie wrote: I can't to be honest, KOJOE. I just heard he loves to fight and took part in several bareknuckle 'contests' in and around Manchester after splitting from trainer Brian Hughes (and before joining Billy Graham).

Fair enough mate. . I understand.

Just wondered how he performed etc, can't help being interested in 'the underbelly' of the Noble Art either.

I know for a fact of another VERY well known UK fighter who has recently taken part in a unlicenced fight. He won by the way even though being about 5 stone over his fighting weight,

Dominic Negus? Or better known than him.

Correct Bennie, Negus is your man!

I think it was about 6 montha ago, he won on points over 4 or 6 rounds against some Kickboxer. That's all I can recall.

Wouldn't taking part in this fight affest him getting his BBBC licence back?

There is one HUGE thunderstorm passing over me at this moment!!!!

KOJOE90 wrote:

bennie wrote:

KOJOE90 wrote: Fair enough mate. . I understand.

Just wondered how he performed etc, can't help being interested in 'the underbelly' of the Noble Art either.

I know for a fact of another VERY well known UK fighter who has recently taken part in a unlicenced fight. He won by the way even though being about 5 stone over his fighting weight,

Dominic Negus? Or better known than him.

Correct Bennie, Negus is your man!

I think it was about 6 montha ago, he won on points over 4 or 6 rounds against some Kickboxer. That's all I can recall.

Wouldn't taking part in this fight affest him getting his BBBC licence back?

There is one HUGE thunderstorm passing over me at this moment!!!!

Dominic tested positive (for steroids I think) after his fight with Audley and refused even to attend the disciplinary hearing and thus inevitably lost his licence, hence the unlicenced appearances.
Steve Holdsworth is running regular unlicenced shows at Watford Town Hall and the scene is flourishing at present all over the country. I had a chat with Steve about this controversial aspect of our sport and he said there is a huge demand for it. Turning pro is expensive he pointed out (MRI scans needed, etc), while the amateur game is rule-ridden and seemingly run more for the benefit of the officials than the boxers.
He also said the unlicenced sport is not to be associated with the bad old days of bald, paunchy hard men kicking and stamping each other. Many of the protagonists hold down good jobs and enjoy having a healthy tear-up at the end of a working week.
So what are your views on the unlicenced scene? Inevitably, those boxers who fail medicals or have lost their boxing licences drift to that side of ther sport (Ken Buchanan for one famous example). That's the danger of it. At the same time, why do those who want to box have to ally themselves to a Board of Control based out in the sticks or the blazer boys in the amateurs?

bennie wrote: Dominic tested positive (for steroids I think) after his fight with Audley and refused even to attend the disciplinary hearing and thus inevitably lost his licence.

Can he apply to get it back?

bennie wrote: Turning pro is expensive he pointed out (MRI scans needed, etc),

You have to pay for MRI scans?! Typical NHS
Is this the same for any member of the public?

bennie wrote: At the same time, why do those who want to box have to ally themselves to a Board of Control based out in the sticks or the blazer boys in the amateurs?

Well, I guess it prevents more serious injuries and people from pulling out a knife etc.

"Unlicensed" Boxing can thrive because of its very name. Every man and his dog likes to pretend they're Billy Big Bollocks and going and watching some "Unlicensed" fighting earns real bragging rights for your average muppet in the pub.

The truth is though, it's just novice boxing without the BBBofC, on the night there's medics in attendence and it's no more dangerous than licensed boxing. The participants are a mix of: has been's. never have been's and never will be's.

The ticket prices are similar to licensed shows.

Personally I'd rather go and watch the real thing.

Most people I know who understand boxing can see the unlicensed shows for what they are (an inferior alternative), the average man on the street will not realise this and will be drawn in by the word "unlicensed".

The most annoying thing about unlicensed shows is the huge number of pissed up, screaming skanks who spend all night cheering on Big Daz or whoever from about 2 inches away from your lug-hole.


Goz- Not my work, mate, but I think it's OK.

Matchfixer wrote:

bennie wrote: Dominic tested positive (for steroids I think) after his fight with Audley and refused even to attend the disciplinary hearing and thus inevitably lost his licence.

Can he apply to get it back?

bennie wrote: Turning pro is expensive he pointed out (MRI scans needed, etc),

You have to pay for MRI scans?! Typical NHS
Is this the same for any member of the public?

bennie wrote: At the same time, why do those who want to box have to ally themselves to a Board of Control based out in the sticks or the blazer boys in the amateurs?

Well, I guess it prevents more serious injuries and people from pulling out a knife etc.

Negus would probably never get his licence back after blatantly snubbing the Board after the Audley fight and for brazenly boxing unlicenced. But, yes, I assume he could apply again.
As for free MRI scans. I think walking into an NHS hospital (or a GP surgery) and asking for an MRI scan because you need to to be a pro boxer, wouldn't get you to the front of the queue. You'd still be waiting five years later unless you go private and pay.

bennie wrote:

KOJOE90 wrote:

bennie wrote: Dominic Negus? Or better known than him.

Correct Bennie, Negus is your man!

I think it was about 6 montha ago, he won on points over 4 or 6 rounds against some Kickboxer. That's all I can recall.

Wouldn't taking part in this fight affest him getting his BBBC licence back?

There is one HUGE thunderstorm passing over me at this moment!!!!

Dominic tested positive (for steroids I think) after his fight with Audley and refused even to attend the disciplinary hearing and thus inevitably lost his licence, hence the unlicenced appearances.
Steve Holdsworth is running regular unlicenced shows at Watford Town Hall and the scene is flourishing at present all over the country. I had a chat with Steve about this controversial aspect of our sport and he said there is a huge demand for it. Turning pro is expensive he pointed out (MRI scans needed, etc), while the amateur game is rule-ridden and seemingly run more for the benefit of the officials than the boxers.
He also said the unlicenced sport is not to be associated with the bad old days of bald, paunchy hard men kicking and stamping each other. Many of the protagonists hold down good jobs and enjoy having a healthy tear-up at the end of a working week.
So what are your views on the unlicenced scene? Inevitably, those boxers who fail medicals or have lost their boxing licences drift to that side of ther sport (Ken Buchanan for one famous example). That's the danger of it. At the same time, why do those who want to box have to ally themselves to a Board of Control based out in the sticks or the blazer boys in the amateurs?

Bennie my views on the unlicenced scene are somewhat mixed.

I was introduced to it mostly by reading and watching videos about the scene in the late 70's and early 80's will the likes of Roy Shaw, Lenny McClean, Donny Adams, Harry Starbuck and Steve Columbo etc.

With a bit of research it soon became apparent that the above fighters fighting ability in the ring were greatly overated. Lenny's KO loses to a past it Cliff Field and Amateur Johnny Waldron put things in perspective for me.

I to have a video of McClean stamping on Bradshaws head in what I've been told was 'roid rage'. Apparently before this fight McClean and Bradshaw were friends!!!! This side of the sport is very hard to justify.

However I realise that many unlicenced shows are very well run, with very simular rules to BBBC cards. I understand some of them have very entertaining fights on the cards and are becoming very popular again. As we all know this is how allegedly got his start in the sport.

It's a free world and better for these guys to fight in the ring than outside the local Kebab Hut with a belly full of Beer on a Friday night I suppose. But what about the fighters who have failed eye and brain scans etc, should these guys really be allowd to fight on? Sometimes people need protecting from themselves as we all know.

Didn't Ken Buchaunan fight one of the Feeney brothers on a unlicenced card? Also I heard a few years ago Hughroy Currie fought on a unlicenced card somewhere in London. I also heard that Gary Mason and Andy Till had contenplated a stint on the unlicenced curcuit. Also in the past Dave Pearce and Leon Spinks names were floating around the unlicenced world. So there is obviously a great deal of interest even amongst ex-pros.

I think it's sad when ex-pro's and fighters with medical issues appear on these shows. But maybe well run shows with medical back up may have a place and pupose, simular to the 'blue collar' Boxing scene that got a bit of press in the USA about 10 years ago.

You mean "White Collar" don't you KOJOE90?

KOJOE90 wrote:

bennie wrote:

KOJOE90 wrote: Correct Bennie, Negus is your man!

I think it was about 6 montha ago, he won on points over 4 or 6 rounds against some Kickboxer. That's all I can recall.

Wouldn't taking part in this fight affest him getting his BBBC licence back?

There is one HUGE thunderstorm passing over me at this moment!!!!

Dominic tested positive (for steroids I think) after his fight with Audley and refused even to attend the disciplinary hearing and thus inevitably lost his licence, hence the unlicenced appearances.
Steve Holdsworth is running regular unlicenced shows at Watford Town Hall and the scene is flourishing at present all over the country. I had a chat with Steve about this controversial aspect of our sport and he said there is a huge demand for it. Turning pro is expensive he pointed out (MRI scans needed, etc), while the amateur game is rule-ridden and seemingly run more for the benefit of the officials than the boxers.
He also said the unlicenced sport is not to be associated with the bad old days of bald, paunchy hard men kicking and stamping each other. Many of the protagonists hold down good jobs and enjoy having a healthy tear-up at the end of a working week.
So what are your views on the unlicenced scene? Inevitably, those boxers who fail medicals or have lost their boxing licences drift to that side of ther sport (Ken Buchanan for one famous example). That's the danger of it. At the same time, why do those who want to box have to ally themselves to a Board of Control based out in the sticks or the blazer boys in the amateurs?

Bennie my views on the unlicenced scene are somewhat mixed.

I was introduced to it mostly by reading and watching videos about the scene in the late 70's and early 80's will the likes of Roy Shaw, Lenny McClean, Donny Adams, Harry Starbuck and Steve Columbo etc.

With a bit of research it soon became apparent that the above fighters fighting ability in the ring were greatly overated. Lenny's KO loses to a past it Cliff Field and Amateur Johnny Waldron put things in perspective for me.

I to have a video of McClean stamping on Bradshaws head in what I've been told was 'roid rage'. Apparently before this fight McClean and Bradshaw were friends!!!! This side of the sport is very hard to justify.

However I realise that many unlicenced shows are very well run, with very simular rules to BBBC cards. I understand some of them have very entertaining fights on the cards and are becoming very popular again. As we all know this is how allegedly got his start in the sport.

It's a free world and better for these guys to fight in the ring than outside the local Kebab Hut with a belly full of Beer on a Friday night I suppose. But what about the fighters who have failed eye and brain scans etc, should these guys really be allowd to fight on? Sometimes people need protecting from themselves as we all know.

Didn't Ken Buchaunan fight one of the Feeney brothers on a unlicenced card? Also I heard a few years ago Hughroy Currie fought on a unlicenced card somewhere in London. I also heard that Gary Mason and Andy Till had contenplated a stint on the unlicenced curcuit. Also in the past Dave Pearce and Leon Spinks names were floating around the unlicenced world. So there is obviously a great deal of interest even amongst ex-pros.

I think it's sad when ex-pro's and fighters with medical issues appear on these shows. But maybe well run shows with medical back up may have a place and pupose, simular to the 'blue collar' Boxing scene that got a bit of press in the USA about 10 years ago.

I know Ken Buchanan fought Jimmy Revie (among others) on the unlicenced scene. George Feeney had to retire prematurely from boxing in 1984 (eye problems), so, yes, a Buchanan-Feeney clash could well have happened.
According to Lennie Maclean in his autobiography "The Guvnor", he and Bradshaw were scheduled to fight under the Marquess of Queensberry rules (not 'anything goes' as in some unlicenced fights), but while the two fighters were being given the referee's instructions, Bradshaw headbutted Maclean (which he did). Maclean then came out and floored Bradshaw with his first punch of the fight. Because Bradshaw had headbutted him, Maclean said he proceeded to attack him on the floor.
Maclean also said he killed a drunk when just giving him a "clip round the ear."
In other words, he'd say anything to sanitise himself in the book.

FlawedGenius wrote:"Unlicensed" Boxing can thrive because of its very name. Every man and his dog likes to pretend they're Billy Big Bollocks and going and watching some "Unlicensed" fighting earns real bragging rights for your average muppet in the pub.

The truth is though, it's just novice boxing without the BBBofC, on the night there's medics in attendence and it's no more dangerous than licensed boxing. The participants are a mix of: has been's. never have been's and never will be's.

The ticket prices are similar to licensed shows.

Personally I'd rather go and watch the real thing.

Most people I know who understand boxing can see the unlicensed shows for what they are (an inferior alternative), the average man on the street will not realise this and will be drawn in by the word "unlicensed".

The most annoying thing about unlicensed shows is the huge number of pissed up, screaming skanks who spend all night cheering on Big Daz or whoever from about 2 inches away from your lug-hole.


Goz- Not my work, mate, but I think it's OK.

I am with FG on this one - "unlicensed" shows sound underground and appealling but the quality of fighters on display is generally poor and you are far better off with the higher quality of combatant offered by the licensed sport. The fighter unlicensed either for medical reasons, or simply because they are not good enough.

It is very similar to the full contact kickboxing circuit. Stick to the Real Deal.

REAL_DEAL wrote:Gomez has a chance at Coralles, we know Coralles chin isnt made out of Iron

You are having a laugh surely.

007 wrote:

REAL_DEAL wrote:Gomez has a chance at Coralles, we know Coralles chin isnt made out of Iron

You are having a laugh surely.

Real deal has a point. American fighters are overrated.

Being floored by Casamayor and Mayweather is a long way from being left hooked by Gomez!!

007 wrote:Being floored by Casamayor and Mayweather is a long way from being left hooked by Gomez!!

Very true, 007. But is Corrales a great fighter! Maybe. Maybe not. Either way, the greatest fighters of all time have always struggled with British opponents (Louis, Ali, Robinson, etc). Tony Dodson, when he was Central Area champ, absolutely played with USBA champ Brian Barbosa.

FlawedGenius wrote:You mean "White Collar" don't you KOJOE90?

Yes mate, sorry I was in a rush to finish before I took my pasta out the oven.

Nothing worse than burnt pasta.

FlawedGenius wrote: Nothing worse than burnt pasta.

Just to let you all know the Pasta was fine, but I was shocked and saddened to find the cheese topping was slightly burnt.

But the two glasses of red wine helped me recover from my shock and dissapointment.

David Pearce was due to Fight The Undefeated Bartley "King of the Gypsies" Gorman for $50,000
Bartley said if he beat Pearce he would fight for the World Title it was
The only time in his book he said "if he won" that was a Respectful Statement to Pearce
as a fighter and a person as David never talked bad of anyone.


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On the Cobbles stuff, True Fighter God Bless