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gilgamesh wrote:

Ambling Alp II wrote:I think the sport is way past the point where one big superstar can bring it back to anywhere near where it once was. Most people have absolutely no idea who Mayweather or Pac is.

A vicious Heavyweight Champion in the vein of a Mike Tyson would bring the fans back around. As long as he was from the States. For the most part the sport is doing fine though, it has a relatively small fanbase compared to other sports, but a very passionate one.

Ezzard wrote:We live in poorer times… If Ray were around today he’d have to beat up his wife in front of his kids, avoid any real challenges in his career, mouth off to old bloke commentators and racially abuse his biggest rival in order to be as commercially successful…

If he did all that he could fight in many of the weakest spectacles in boxing history and still make shit loads…

Ray might have liked things his way. And the favouritism stuck in my throat later in his career. but he fought in a crowd-pleasing style and took on everyone, in the end. He was foie gras compared to the eyeballs and testicles they put in the burgers today…

Ambling Alp II wrote:I think the sport is way past the point where one big superstar can bring it back to anywhere near where it once was. Most people have absolutely no idea who Mayweather or Pac is.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ezzard wrote:We live in poorer times… If Ray were around today he’d have to beat up his wife in front of his kids, avoid any real challenges in his career, mouth off to old bloke commentators and racially abuse his biggest rival in order to be as commercially successful…

If he did all that he could fight in many of the weakest spectacles in boxing history and still make shit loads…

Ray might have liked things his way. And the favouritism stuck in my throat later in his career. but he fought in a crowd-pleasing style and took on everyone, in the end. He was foie gras compared to the eyeballs and testicles they put in the burgers today…

Ray took on all comers because that was how you got paid then. He'd have been more than willing to dance around Carlos baldomir for 8 million.

foxy01 wrote:

Ezzard wrote:We live in poorer times… If Ray were around today he’d have to beat up his wife in front of his kids, avoid any real challenges in his career, mouth off to old bloke commentators and racially abuse his biggest rival in order to be as commercially successful…

If he did all that he could fight in many of the weakest spectacles in boxing history and still make shit loads…

Ray might have liked things his way. And the favouritism stuck in my throat later in his career. but he fought in a crowd-pleasing style and took on everyone, in the end. He was foie gras compared to the eyeballs and testicles they put in the burgers today…

Erm ,I think you will find he admitted he did exactly that. Juanita I believe was the lady's name. Something about cocaine abuse I recall.

Ezzard wrote:

foxy01 wrote:

Ezzard wrote:We live in poorer times… If Ray were around today he’d have to beat up his wife in front of his kids, avoid any real challenges in his career, mouth off to old bloke commentators and racially abuse his biggest rival in order to be as commercially successful…

If he did all that he could fight in many of the weakest spectacles in boxing history and still make shit loads…

Ray might have liked things his way. And the favouritism stuck in my throat later in his career. but he fought in a crowd-pleasing style and took on everyone, in the end. He was foie gras compared to the eyeballs and testicles they put in the burgers today…

Erm ,I think you will find he admitted he did exactly that. Juanita I believe was the lady's name. Something about cocaine abuse I recall.

Careful not to sprain your wrist when you pat yourself on the back...

Sorry, just one of my fave Jim Thompson quotes...

Just that everybody knows this. But any bad behaviour by Ray has been trumped in recent times...

Ezzard wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ezzard wrote:We live in poorer times… If Ray were around today he’d have to beat up his wife in front of his kids, avoid any real challenges in his career, mouth off to old bloke commentators and racially abuse his biggest rival in order to be as commercially successful…

If he did all that he could fight in many of the weakest spectacles in boxing history and still make shit loads…

Ray might have liked things his way. And the favouritism stuck in my throat later in his career. but he fought in a crowd-pleasing style and took on everyone, in the end. He was foie gras compared to the eyeballs and testicles they put in the burgers today…

Ray took on all comers because that was how you got paid then. He'd have been more than willing to dance around Carlos baldomir for 8 million.

No doubt...but he could have done a Holmes and put layer after layer of cheap pasta between the sauce... I think we should give him credit for what he did do and not offer excuses for what goes on today.

I do appreciate different eras etc...

Ezzard wrote:Maybe, but I wouldn't credit Floyd with doing the Leonard thing if he'd been around in the 80s.

To be honest I don't think his style would garner him much support back then, or as much success.

- I hate this triple embed rule... can't it just be set to do it for me?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Maybe, but I wouldn't credit Floyd with doing the Leonard thing if he'd been around in the 80s.

To be honest I don't think his style would garner him much support back then, or as much success.

- I hate this triple embed rule... can't it just be set to do it for me?

Floyd could never beat Hearns, but he'd fight who he needed to fight to make money. I think they're a lot alike. Both of them put on tremendously fake facades in the media to generate money, Floyd the villain and Leonard the hero when neither has a personality that fits the role.

I don't see any era where mayweather isn't a great fighter.

scallum wrote:At this point we just need a Very good big man from the states imo he dosent have to be a monster like Tyson. If we could get a Riddic Bowe type with much better defense The Fans , interest would peak again

Ezzard wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Maybe, but I wouldn't credit Floyd with doing the Leonard thing if he'd been around in the 80s.

To be honest I don't think his style would garner him much support back then, or as much success.

- I hate this triple embed rule... can't it just be set to do it for me?

Floyd could never beat Hearns, but he'd fight who he needed to fight to make money. I think they're a lot alike. Both of them put on tremendously fake facades in the media to generate money, Floyd the villain and Leonard the hero when neither has a personality that fits the role.

I don't see any era where mayweather isn't a great fighter.

Back then he's Benitez great. But I agree.

MEISINGER wrote:saad i thought i was the biggest leonard basher on here

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

MEISINGER wrote:saad i thought i was the biggest leonard basher on here

I've despised him since I was 11 years old. 32 years and the hate grows exponentially by the hour.

Jaywheel wrote:

scallum wrote:At this point we just need a Very good big man from the states imo he dosent have to be a monster like Tyson. If we could get a Riddic Bowe type with much better defense The Fans , interest would peak again[/quo

you think that's all that we'd need?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

MEISINGER wrote:saad i thought i was the biggest leonard basher on here

I've despised him since I was 11 years old. 32 years and the hate grows exponentially by the hour.

scallum wrote:

Ambling Alp II wrote:I think the sport is way past the point where one big superstar can bring it back to anywhere near where it once was. Most people have absolutely no idea who Mayweather or Pac is.

Are you being sarcastic?

Il Duce wrote:The Complete Book of Formula's, by Dr. Gerhard Schweitzer

The Ray Leonard Formula

1 Part = Talent
1 Part = Luck
1 Part = Timing
1 Part = Charisma
1 Part = Management
1 Part = Trainer
1 Part = Financial Backing
1 Part = Television Network Exposure
1 Part = Publicist/Marketing Team
1 Part = Sugar