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giacomino wrote:Have to say it would have been interesting to see Bazooka Gomez fight at 118 in the late 1970s and early 1980s. He beat Zarate and Pintor, but that was at 122. He also beat Davila, another excellent 118er at the time. Could have been some really good fights vs Zamora, Solis, Murata and of course, Jeff Chandler during that period. If he couldn't make 118, Gomez vs Danny Red Lopez would have been tremendous fun

Il Duce wrote:The WBC did a service for the boxers instituting the Division in early 1976,

Rigoberto Riasco, Royal Kobayashi and Dong-Kyun Yum were good starts for the Super Bantamweight Division.

And Wilfredo Gomez couldn't make 118 lbs. by mid-1976 anyway.
Look what 'Bazooka' did for the Division, he made it legitimate and a cornerstone for the WBC.

Rover wrote:

giacomino wrote:Have to say it would have been interesting to see Bazooka Gomez fight at 118 in the late 1970s and early 1980s. He beat Zarate and Pintor, but that was at 122. He also beat Davila, another excellent 118er at the time. Could have been some really good fights vs Zamora, Solis, Murata and of course, Jeff Chandler during that period. If he couldn't make 118, Gomez vs Danny Red Lopez would have been tremendous fun

Don't forget Pedroza.

Il Duce wrote:* 122 lbs. to 126 lbs. - not as easy as it sounds.

Thats a difficult 'Road to Hoe'

Alexis Arguello WBA Featherweight Champion (11/74 thru 6/76)

A) The 'young teenager' either 18 or 19 - Wilfredo Gomez ain't doing that number, not with his protective management.

B) And after Alexis, the WBA (Panama-based) had the Featherweight Title reserved for one of their own 'Rafael Ortega' (1/77 thru 12/77)

C) The Spaniard - Cecilio Lastra scored an upset (12/17/77), but his WBA Title was short lived.

D) Eusebio Pedroza (Panama-based) was right there to capture the WBA Championship (July 1978)

Conclusion - Wilfredo Gomez isn't getting anywhere near the WBA Featherweight Championship, not during
1974 thru 1985.

giacomino wrote:

Rover wrote:

giacomino wrote:Have to say it would have been interesting to see Bazooka Gomez fight at 118 in the late 1970s and early 1980s. He beat Zarate and Pintor, but that was at 122. He also beat Davila, another excellent 118er at the time. Could have been some really good fights vs Zamora, Solis, Murata and of course, Jeff Chandler during that period. If he couldn't make 118, Gomez vs Danny Red Lopez would have been tremendous fun

Don't forget Pedroza.

If Gomez fought Pedroza, somebody would have gone home with their testicles shoved through their backsides because those two could ball-bust with the best of them. I always laugh when I see people bitch about Ward's tactics. Pedroza made Ward look like Miss Manners

Il Duce wrote:Wilfredo Gomez never went after Eusebio Pedroza,

Though he could have challenged him several times.

Smart move, as Eusebio would have won.

Il Duce wrote:August 1982 was 'open' for Wilfredo Gomez if he wanted Eusebio Pedroza.

Would have been a 'prime' time for both.

* Eusebio Pedroza ~ 33-3-1 (23 KO's) ~ Age 26 1/2 ~ Height 5' 8 1/2" ~ Reach 68 1/2"
vs.
* Wilfredo Gomez ~ 36-1-1 (36 KO's) ~ Age 25 1/2 ~ Height 5' 5 1/2" ~ Reach 67"

I could see Eusebio getting floored early, and rocked a few times. But Eusebio would have made
Wilfredo work, and burn up alot of energy thru the first 8-Rounds.

Have Eusebio taking over in Round 9, and hammering Wilfredo with this inside uppercuts. Wilfredo
tended to swell up bad after getting hit in the face, and by the end of the 12th Round, he will be
looking out of swollen eyes. See the fight stopped by a TKO 14, with Wilfredo unable to see out
of closed eyes.

'Side Bar' --------Alice Cooper turned 65 today............God Bless Us All...

I saw the 'Alice Cooper Band' play in 1971............

Il Duce wrote:Rover,

I was just using a calculated guess on when they could have fought, when both fighters were in their prime.

Mid-1982 looked to be the best slot for both.

Il Duce wrote:Wednesday Night - November 24, 1976

JangChung Gymnasium - Seoul, South Korea

Attendance; 7200

WBC Super Bantamweight Champion

** Kazou 'Royal' Kobayashi ~ 21-2-0 (17 KO's)
Vs.
#1 WBC - Dong-Kyun Yum ~ 46-2-6 (20 KO's)

Royal Kobayashi, only 45-Days after winning the WBC Championship by stopping [KO 8} Champion - Rigoberto Riasco,
is forced to defend his Crown immediately, to comply with the demands set forth by the WBC (Jose Sulaiman).

The Challenger - Dong-Kyun Yum who was involved in the 'highly controversial' and scandalous bout with then Champion
Rigoberto Riasco back on August 1, 1976 in Busan, South Korea is back as the Challenger.

Though this bout was originally scheduled to be held in Mexico City, it has been switched to Seoul, South Korea - as
a larger fight purse bid was offered. The WBC has all of its Asian Representatives, as well as Jose Sulaiman in attendance
to make sure everything is on the 'up-and-up'. The Champion - Royal Kobayashi has agreed to the bout in Seoul,
providing that 'two WBC-approved' Japanese Officials are named as a Judge and Referee.

Due to the previous circumstances, both boxers will split the 'Total Fight Purse' of $160,000 ($80,000 each).

The Fight,

It doesn't take long, before Dong-Kyun Yum dumps the Champion on the canvas in the 1st-Round, by landing
with a hard straight left hand.

The Champion is not hurt, and regains his feet, an returns to a stalking attack. Round after Round, the Champion
chases while Dong-Kyun stays on his bicycle, by jabbing and moving. The 26 year-old Challenger is smart, and
stays at a distance, to avoid Kobayashi's hard left hooks and crushing right hands. Though the Champion is
the aggressor, he cannot match Dong-Kyun's speed and footwork.

The Challenger continues to peck away with quick left hands, and moves out of harm's way before Kobayashi
can deliver. By Round 9, the bout has turned into a 'chess-match', as each combatant neutralizes the other.

Rounds 10 thru 15 follow the same pattern, with the Challenger staying just outside Kobayashi's hard punches
while fighting in a controlled defensive mode.

Scorecards;
* Referee - Yuskaka Yushida.......146-146 (Even)
* Judge - Ken Morita..................148-146 (Dong-Kyun Yum)
* Judge - Il-Choi........................148-144 (Dong-Kyun Yum)

Dong-Kyun Yum wins the WBC Super Bantamweight Championship by a 15-Round Majority Decision.

The UPI scored the bout 146-145 for Dong-Kyun Yum, but had the bout 'Even' in Rounds (4-4-7), and scored
Round 1 {10-8} for the Challenger, which was the difference in the bout.

Rover wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Lots of good 122 lb. Fighters, from,

Puerto Rico
Dominican Republic
South Korea
Central America
Mexico
The Philippines
Japan
Thailand
Pan Pacific

Featherweights too big......

Boxing survived throughout history without 122; the great fighters could've competed at feather.

Ambling Alp II wrote:I understand the arguement that 4 pounds is a bigger difference between two fighters that weighs 118 and 122 and two fighters that weigh over 200 pounds.
However, it still is relatively small amount of weight.

Even if you buy into that agruement that it isn't too small, contradicts your are going to prefer statement that you prefer weight classes of 105-110-115-120-125-130-135. -The same difference between weight classes. (It wouldn't be fair to the fighters at 110 because 5 pounds would be a much bigger difference than 5 pounds at 135.

It actually made sense to have slightly bigger differences in weight classes as you go up. (ie 6 pounds between 112 and 118, 8 pounds between 118 and 126, 9 pounds between 126 and 135. etc.

There just isn't enough talent is in the very low weight classes because there are so few fighters in those ranges. There are very few fighters between 105 and 108.

It was much better in the old days where you had 112, 118,126, 135.

Who are we to say no to the "great fighters " who want more weight clases? Fans who care(d) about the sport. It's not surprising that the fighters want more weight classes. That way there are more paper titles and it is much easier to win one.

Meanwhile the fans get cheated out out of great matchups. Take out half of the current weight classes, and each individual weight class would have roughly twice as many good fighters and roughly twice as many good fights.