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Re: Boxers retiring undefeated

Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 09:13
by SamWise72
Rover wrote:
SamWise72 wrote:I agree that none of them fought Toney or Jones, and Benn didn't fight McCallum either. I think the key points of difference for me were Benn fighting McClellan, and Watson fighting McCallum, and both having the ambition to go after one of the major titles, even if that meant meeting one of the best. I don't think I'll ever feel Eubank's resume quite stacks up against that, though he proved himself the better fighter than either. For that reason, I'd be more impressed with a prime Benn than a prime Eubank on Calzaghe's resume.
But Watson didn't beat McCallum. I don't think a KO loss makes one's resume superior to another fighter--who, BTW, beat him twice. And Eubank fought both Benn and Watson; their being fellow Englishmen doesn't lessen their quality. It'd have been no different had they been from the U.S. McCallum and McClellan came to England to fight Watson and Benn; what if they, too, had been English? One's nationality has nothing to do with his quality as a fighter.
As for the "major title" argument, the WBO now has become one of the "big four," and Eubank, along with fighters a few years later like MAB, Hamed and Calzaghe made it so. There was a time just a few years earlier when the IBF (the title Jones and Toney held at 168) was just like the WBO--approximately five years before Eubank won his WBO title, in fact.
I agree it doesn't make Watson's resume superior, and I didn't claim it did. It makes his ambition superior. I can't really agree about the WBO, not when you look at champs like Ricky Burns, or if you look at some of the WBO heavyweight claimants of recent years (Klitschkos aside).

I simply feel Eubank had a rather domestic career; his best wins are over other UK fighters, of whom only Benn distinguished himself with wins against any of the very best. Benn was prepared to go to the States to face Barkley, and to Italy to face Galvano, McLellan and McCallum were willing to come here to fight Benn, Watson and Graham. Eubank and Calzaghe were neither willing to travel to get the big fights, nor were they able to tempt the best fighters from abroad to come here. I agree that in Watson and particularly Benn, Eubank beat world level operators, but then his ambition ran out.

I suppose one way I might look at it is this; if there were only one world title, Benn, Watson and Graham might all have fought for it, but Eubank wouldn't, unless it was in his fight against Benn. Benn McClellan and Watson and Graham vs McCallum were fights against someone who had a legitimate claim to be #1 in the division. What does Eubank have to offer that compares?

It's subjective, I grant you. It's proven that Eubank was the best in the ring from Benn, Watson and Eubank, but of them all, he's the one whose further ambition least impresses me, and that's why he doesn't make my list of the very best that Calzaghe beat.

Re: Boxers retiring undefeated

Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 09:14
by Rover
Charles Tanner "retired" undefeated. Actually, he got life in federal prison on drug charges.

Re: Boxers retiring undefeated

Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 09:21
by Rover
SamWise72 wrote:
Rover wrote:
SamWise72 wrote:I agree that none of them fought Toney or Jones, and Benn didn't fight McCallum either. I think the key points of difference for me were Benn fighting McClellan, and Watson fighting McCallum, and both having the ambition to go after one of the major titles, even if that meant meeting one of the best. I don't think I'll ever feel Eubank's resume quite stacks up against that, though he proved himself the better fighter than either. For that reason, I'd be more impressed with a prime Benn than a prime Eubank on Calzaghe's resume.
But Watson didn't beat McCallum. I don't think a KO loss makes one's resume superior to another fighter--who, BTW, beat him twice. And Eubank fought both Benn and Watson; their being fellow Englishmen doesn't lessen their quality. It'd have been no different had they been from the U.S. McCallum and McClellan came to England to fight Watson and Benn; what if they, too, had been English? One's nationality has nothing to do with his quality as a fighter.
As for the "major title" argument, the WBO now has become one of the "big four," and Eubank, along with fighters a few years later like MAB, Hamed and Calzaghe made it so. There was a time just a few years earlier when the IBF (the title Jones and Toney held at 168) was just like the WBO--approximately five years before Eubank won his WBO title, in fact.
I agree it doesn't make Watson's resume superior, and I didn't claim it did. It makes his ambition superior. I can't really agree about the WBO, not when you look at champs like Ricky Burns, or if you look at some of the WBO heavyweight claimants of recent years (Klitschkos aside).

I simply feel Eubank had a rather domestic career; his best wins are over other UK fighters, of whom only Benn distinguished himself with wins against any of the very best. Benn was prepared to go to the States to face Barkley, and to Italy to face Galvano, McLellan and McCallum were willing to come here to fight Benn, Watson and Graham. Eubank and Calzaghe were neither willing to travel to get the big fights, nor were they able to tempt the best fighters from abroad to come here. I agree that in Watson and particularly Benn, Eubank beat world level operators, but then his ambition ran out.

I suppose one way I might look at it is this; if there were only one world title, Benn, Watson and Graham might all have fought for it, but Eubank wouldn't, unless it was in his fight against Benn. Benn McClellan and Watson and Graham vs McCallum were fights against someone who had a legitimate claim to be #1 in the division. What does Eubank have to offer that compares?

It's subjective, I grant you. It's proven that Eubank was the best in the ring from Benn, Watson and Eubank, but of them all, he's the one whose further ambition least impresses me, and that's why he doesn't make my list of the very best that Calzaghe beat.
I understand rating Hopkins higher. Not Jones, who was shot.
I don't care about "ambition." I care about "accomplishments." Eubank was a world class fighter. The location of his fights doesn't change that. Benn/Eubank II was a unification.
Barkley wasn't the best middle when Benn fought him, and McClellan wasn't the best super middle, either.
Neither Benn nor Eubank fought the top super middles from the States, so it's a wash there. Benn fought Galvano, and Eubank fought Benn, a tougher challenge IMHO than Galvano, as was Watson. There isn't one world title, so there's no point in guessing at what each of them would've done if there were, though I think all of them would've fought for it.
As for the WBO, here are some of their champs: Calzaghe, Eubank, Hearns, the Klitschkos, Hamed, MAB, JMM, Pac, Bradley, Cotto, Finito Lopez...I could go on and on. It's one of the "big four." I don't think much of any of the sanctioning orgs, but the WBO is a major one.
So, getting this back to Calzaghe, the only fighter on his record I'd definitively rate above Eubank is Hopkins. I'd understand Kessler also, considering he (Eubank) was past-prime when he fought Calzaghe. Aside from that, I'd rate Eubank at the top of the list.

Re: Boxers retiring undefeated

Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 09:45
by SamWise72
Fair enough, we can agree to disagree about Eubank; I'd certainly rate Kessler above the Eubank that fought Calzaghe.

I do care about ambition, and also accomplishments, and I think Eubank was more potential than he was accomplishments. At the end of Benn's career, we knew what he could do. He tested himself to the limits, and found them. Eubank didn't find his; in his prime, he beat everyone he fought, and he didn't fight some significant people. We'll never know how he might have fared, and that I find disappointing, same for Calzaghe. I respect Benn for finding the limits of his reach, and trying to exceed them. Same goes for Froch.

As far as your WBO champs, I think Calzaghe is a reason NOT to respect them; not for his talent, but for who he defended against. His resume for most of his career makes Sven Ottke look ambitious! Hearns picked up a WBO title and was not taken seriously for it. I can't bring myself to take it as seriously as WBA, WBA or IBF (none of whom impress me). It's a bit more credible than the rest, but it has often been a sort of European title.

Re: Boxers retiring undefeated

Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 09:53
by Rover
SamWise72 wrote:Fair enough, we can agree to disagree about Eubank; I'd certainly rate Kessler above the Eubank that fought Calzaghe.

I do care about ambition, and also accomplishments, and I think Eubank was more potential than he was accomplishments. At the end of Benn's career, we knew what he could do. He tested himself to the limits, and found them. Eubank didn't find his; in his prime, he beat everyone he fought, and he didn't fight some significant people. We'll never know how he might have fared, and that I find disappointing, same for Calzaghe. I respect Benn for finding the limits of his reach, and trying to exceed them. Same goes for Froch.

As far as your WBO champs, I think Calzaghe is a reason NOT to respect them; not for his talent, but for who he defended against. His resume for most of his career makes Sven Ottke look ambitious! Hearns picked up a WBO title and was not taken seriously for it. I can't bring myself to take it as seriously as WBA, WBA or IBF (none of whom impress me). It's a bit more credible than the rest, but it has often been a sort of European title.
I agree the Kessler who fought Calzaghe was better than the Eubank who fought Calzaghe. That wasn't the prime version of Eubank, just like it wasn't prime Benn who fought Collins twice (or Malinga the second time). So, to that end, they both showed their limits. In Benn's prime, his limit was Eubank--except that they fought again to a draw. I don't know how a Watson rematch would've played out.
Many WBO champs have been taken seriously, such as MAB and Hamed, Broner, etc. Regarding Hearns, he won the inaugural title fight at super middle, so the WBO wasn't viewed as highly then; in fact, more emphasis was placed on the NABF title at stake. That's no longer the case.

Re: Boxers retiring undefeated

Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 10:03
by Rover
I believe Italian middleweight Gaitano Ardido retired undefeated; wonder what happened to him.

Re: Boxers retiring undefeated

Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 10:28
by SamWise72
Oh to go back and have either man fight Jones, Toney or McCallum. Mind you, Eubank/Toney would have been a stand-off fest!

Re: Boxers retiring undefeated

Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 10:32
by Rover
SamWise72 wrote:Oh to go back and have either man fight Jones, Toney or McCallum. Mind you, Eubank/Toney would have been a stand-off fest!
The trash talk before that would've been classic!

Re: Boxers retiring undefeated

Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 10:38
by Rover
Ji Won Kim was a super bantam beltholder who retired undefeated.

Re: Boxers retiring undefeated

Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 10:45
by SamWise72
Before, during, after! It would have been a sight. I'd have to pick Toney in that though; I think he'd have made Eubank look clumsy, though he would undoubtedly have had to go through hell to win it.

Re: Boxers retiring undefeated

Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 10:47
by Rover
SamWise72 wrote:Before, during, after! It would have been a sight. I'd have to pick Toney in that though; I think he'd have made Eubank look clumsy, though he would undoubtedly have had to go through hell to win it.
I think the fight would've been rather dull; the talking would've been all-time great.
I could see Eubank winning if Toney got lazy--which he certainly could. I'm certain it would go the distance with Toney the probable victor.

Re: Boxers retiring undefeated

Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 11:28
by Rover
I wonder if Spadafora will retire undefeated? Given the comp he's fighting, it's a possibility.

Re: Boxers retiring undefeated

Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 11:41
by Rover
Laszlo Papp also deserves a mention. He retired when his government wouldn't let him fight for the middleweight title.

Re: Boxers retiring undefeated

Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 11:47
by Rover
Does Valero count?
:twisted:

Re: Boxers retiring undefeated

Posted: 28 Feb 2013, 05:18
by Rover
Forgot about Mesi; glad he retired undefeated.

Re: Boxers retiring undefeated

Posted: 28 Feb 2013, 05:26
by Rover
Can't forget Jack McAuliffe.

Re: Boxers retiring undefeated

Posted: 01 Mar 2013, 21:04
by hhascup
I put this together a few years ago:

UNDEFEATED BOXERS

1. Jimmy Barry - World Paperweight Champion (110lbs) - 58 (38) - 0 (0) - 10
2. Benjamin Brain - English Bareknuckle Heavyweight Champion - (7-0-1)
3. Tom Chandler - Middleweight Bareknuckle Champion - (3-0-1)
4. William "Nobby" Clark - Featherweight Bareknuckle Champion - (2-0-0)
5. Jim Dunne - Welterweight Bare Knuckle Champion – (2-0-0)
6. Jack “Duggan” Fearns - English Bare Knuckle Heavyweight Champion - (1-0-0)
7. Samson Dutch Boy Gym - WBF Super Flyweight Champion - 43 (36) - 0 (0) – 0
8. Owney Geoghegan - American Lightweight Bareknuckle Champion - (11-0-1)
9. Jack Harris - English Heavyweight Claimant Bareknuckle Champion
10. Jemal Hinton - WBC Continental Americas Super Bantamweight Campion - 22 (17) - 0 (0) – 0
11.Jacob Hyer- Bare Knuckle American Heavyweight Champion - (1-0-0)
12. Tom Hyer - Bare Knuckle American Heavyweight Champion - (2-0-0)
13. Ike Ibeabuchi - WBC International Heavyweight Champion - 20 (15) - 0 (0) - 0
14. Ji Won Kim - IBF Super Bantamweight Champion - 16 (7) - 0 (0) - 2
15. Michael Loewe - WBO Welterweight Champion - 28 (10) - 0 (0) - 0
16. Ricardo Lopez - IBF Light Flyweight Champion - 51 (38) - 0 (0) - 1
17. Tom Lyons - Bare Knuckle Heavyweight Champion (1-0-0)
18. Rocky Marciano - World Heavyweight Champion - 49 (43) - 0 (0) - 0
19. Terry Marsh - IBF Light Welterweight Champion - 26 (10) - 0 (0) - 1
20. Jack McAuliffe - World Lightweight Champion - 34 (23) - 0 (0) – 5
21. Young Mitchell – American Featherweight, Australian Lightweight,PC Welterweight, and PC Middleweight Claimant - 35-0-6 (BoxRec only has 5-0-4)
22. Edson Pedro Nascimento - UBC Ibero-American Lightweight Champion - 47 (40) - 0 (0) - 1
23. Horace Notice - Commonwealth (BE) Heavyweight Belt-holder - 16 (12) - 0 (0) - 0
24. Sven Ottke - WBA & IBF Super Middleweight Champion - 34 (6) - 0 (0) - 0
25. Laszlo Papp - EBU (European) Middleweight Champion - 27 (15) - 0 (0) - 2
26. Henry Pearce - Bare Knuckle Heavyweight Champion - (7-0-0)
27. Jack Randall - Lightweight Bareknuckle Champion - (16-0-1)
28. Young Dutch Sam - Welterweight Bareknuckle Champion - (11-0-0) ????????
29. Pichit Sitbangprachan IBF Flyweight Champion 24 (18) - 0 (0) – 0
30. Mzukisi Skweyiya - South African Non-White Bantamweight Champion - 21 (7) - 0 (0) – 1


Some sources have Joe Coburn - Bare Knuckle Heavyweight Champion, BUT he was beaten twice during his career.

Here's some others that were Undefeated:

1.Kirk Daley - (1988-1994) Former Jr. Middleweight Contender - 19 (18) - 0 (0) - 0
2. Scott Daley - (1986-1998) Former Middleweight Contender - 24 (24) - 0 (0) - 0
3.George Kandelaki - (1998-2003) Former Heavyweight Contender - 24 (18) - 0 (0) - 0
4.Vinny Letizia - (1990-1993) Former Welterweight Contender 16 (14) - 0 (0) - 1
5. Tom Gleason - (1890-1896) Middleweight Champion of North & South Dakota, & Montana - 6-0-3 (2 ND)
6. Niels H Madsen – (1990-1992) Former Cruiserweight 8 (4) - 0 (0) - 0
7. Agustin Senin – (1967-1972) Spanish & EBU (European) Bantamweight Champion - 42 (21) - 0 (0) – 1
8. Gurcharan Singh (2001-2004) Former Cruiserweight 17 (10) - 0 (0) - 0
9. Jimmy Wilde (Moisés Ortenberg) - (1935-1943) Argentina - 37 (15) - 0 (0) - 5
10. Ricky Womack – (1984-2001) (defeated Holyfield 3 times in the amateur) 13 (6) - 0 (0) - 1


Here's a list in each division with 10 or more wins. ONLY retired boxers. I made this list up several years ago so their might be some small errors. I also have the list that goes from 5 or more wins.:

Heavyweights
Rocky Marciano (1947-1955) World Heavyweight Champion 49 (43) - 0 (0) – 0
Joe Mesi (1997-2007) - 36 (29) - 0 (0) - 0
George Kandelaki - (1998-2003) 24 (18) - 0 (0) – 0
Shazzon Bradley (1993-1999) 21 (17) - 0 (0) - 0
Lee Canalito (1977-1987) 21 (19) - 0 (0) - 0
Ike Ibeabuchi (1994-1999) WBC International Heavyweight Champion - 20 (15) - 0 (0) – 0
Mamuka Jikurashvili (2004-2006) 19 (13) - 0 (0) - 0
Charles Tanner (1998-2004) 19 (11) - 0 (0) – 0
Justin Blevins (2001-2006) 16 (10) - 0 (0) - 0
Horace Notice (1983-1988) Commonwealth (BE) Heavyweight Belt-holder - 16 (12) - 0 (0) – 0
Nelson Beleno (1993-1997) 16 (16) - 0 (0) - 0
Giorgio Bambini (1969-1971) 15 (5) - 0 (0) – 0
Jesus Correa (1992-1998) 15 (6) - 0 (0) – 1
Dan Harvison (2002-2006) 14 (9) - 0 (0) - 0
Kevin Babineaux (1983-1986) 14 (12) - 0 (0) – 0
Mariusz Wach (2005-2006) 13 (6) - 0 (0) - 0
Ricky Womack – (1984-2001) (defeated Holyfield 3 times in the amateur) 13 (6) - 0 (0) – 1
Rudi Pika (1980-1986) 13 (6) - 0 (0) – 0
John Lee (1978-1980) 13 (12) - 0 (0) – 0
Shawn Evans (1987-1995) 13 (13) - 0 (0) – 0
Mariusz Wach (2005-2006) 13 (6) - 0 (0) – 0
Kertson Manswell (2004-2006) 13 (12) - 0 (0) - 0
Volodia Lazebnik (2004-2006) 12 (7) - 0 (0) - 0
Steve Floch (1982-1987) 12 (9) - 0 (0) – 0
Cash McCallum (1991-1996) 12 (6) - 0 (0) – 3
Charles Livingston (1993-1996) 12 (12) - 0 (0) - 0
Omran Awadi (2000-2002) 11 (11) - 0 (0) – 0
Jesse Reid (1997-2002) 11 (6) - 0 (0) – 1
David McNemar (1996-2002) 11 (9) - 0 (0) – 0
Michael Harris (1989-2000) 11 (9) - 0 (0) – 0
Mike Baggett (1995-1998) 11 (5) - 0 (0) – 1
Duane Van Der Merwe (1995-2001) 11 (10) - 0 (0) – 0
Paul Record (2002-2004) 11 (9) - 0 (0) – 0
David Harris (1983-1985) 11 (7) - 0 (0) – 0
David Polk (2003-2006) 10 (0) - 6 (0) - 1
Scotty Riffle (1937-1939) 10 (6) - 0 (0) – 0
Thomas Sorensen (2001-2003) 10 (9) - 0 (0) – 0
Jan Nortje (1999-2001) 10 (9) - 0 (0) – 0
Gilberto Amador (2001-2003) 10 (7) - 0 (0) – 1
Max Glickman (1930-1934) 10 (8) - 0 (0) – 0
Mityo Dobrev (1994-1999) 10 (10) - 0 (0) – 0
Alan O'Sughrue (1972-1973) 10 (7) - 0 (0) – 0
Jurgen Mloch (1991-1997) 10 (6) - 0 (0) – 0
Michael Thornberry (1999-2000) 10 (8) - 0 (0) – 0

Cruiserweights
David Quinonero (2000-2006) 22 (21) - 0 (0) – 0
Adrian Helms (2001-2005) 20 (10) - 0 (0) - 1
Gurcharan Singh (2001-2004) 17 (10) - 0 (0) - 0
Roar Petajamaa (1994-1998) 15 (10) - 0 (0) – 0
Dewey Cooper (2001-2006) 15 (10) - 0 (0) - 2
Desmond Fingers (1985-1991) 14 (12) - 0 (0) - 0
Brian Shaw (1993-1997) 13 (8) - 0 (0) – 0
Gene Molen (2000-2006) 13 (9) - 0 (0) – 1
Rene Breitbarth (1994-1996) 12 (7) - 0 (0) - 0
Andre Prophet (1987-1988) 12 (10) - 0 (0) - 1
Mark Hendem (2002-2005) 12 (8) - 0 (0) – 0
Patryk Bursztynowicz (2000-2005) 12 (5) - 0 (0) - 0
Jorge Kahwagi (2001-2005) 11 (11) - 0 (0) - 0
Mensur Peljto (1997-2002) 11 (5) - 0 (0) - 2
Benjamin McDowell (1998-2000) 10 (5) - 0 (0) - 0


Light Heavyweights
Marek Piotrowski (1992-1996) 21 (11) - 0 (0) - 0
Eddie White (1994-2005) 19 (11) - 0 (0) - 0
Wang-Sup Lee (1984-1994) 18 (14) - 0 (0) – 1
Nelson Alves (1987-1991) 18 (11) - 0 (0) – 2
Claude Arnaiz (1953-1955) 16 (11) - 0 (0) – 0
Albert Rybacki (2000-2006) 14 (7) - 0 (0) – 0
Stan Bogavic (1978-1985) 13 (9) - 0 (0) - 0
Denis Lebedev (2001-2004) 13 (8) - 0 (0) – 0
Vyacheslav Burba (2001-2003) 12 (6) - 0 (0) - 0
Antwon Leach (1994-2000) 11 (7) - 0 (0) - 3
Adam Hubinger (2004-2005) 11 (10) - 0 (0) – 0
Frank Weisgerber (1957-1958) 11 (6) - 0 (0) - 0
Serdar Akova (2002-2005) 10 (5) - 0 (0) - 2
Ray Grillo (1954-1955) 10 (3) - 0 (0) - 0
Danny Peters(1993-1996) 10 (3) - 0 (0) – 0
Nick Reed (1989-1994) 10 (4) - 0 (0) – 0


Super Middleweights
Joe Calzaghe 1993-2008 IBF, WBA, WBC, WBO Super Middleweight Champion 46 (32)-0 (0)-0
Sven Ottke (1997-2004) WBA & IBF Super Middleweight Champion - 34 (6) - 0 (0) – 0
Derek Edwards (2002-2006) 20 (11) - 0 (0) - 0
Tomasz Gargula (2000-2005) 15 (5) - 0 (0) – 1
Rowland Bryant (2003-2006) 14 (9) - 0 (0) - 0
Darren Barker (2004-2006) 14 (9) - 0 (0) - 0
Trey Harris (1993-2001) 14 (6) - 0 (0) - 0
Arthur Shekhmurzov (2002-2005) 14 (7) - 0 (0) – 1
Ryan Kerr (2001-2006) 13 (5) - 0 (0) - 2
Michael Bowen (1995-2001) 13 (10) - 0 (0) – 0
Danny Smith (2000-2005) 13 (2) - 0 (0) – 1
Saeed Hawkins (2004-2006) 12 (6) - 0 (0) - 0
Anthony Dirrell (2005-2006) 12 (11) - 0 (0) - 0
James Pointer (1996-2000) 11 (8) - 0 (0) – 0
Jose Alonzo (1999-2003) 11 (7) - 0 (0) - 0
Ronald Simms (2000-2002) 11 (8) - 0 (0) – 0
Juan Moreno Angulo (1993-2000) 11 (7) - 0 (0) - 2
Israel Eleazar Escandon (1996-2002) 10 (8) - 0 (0) – 1


Middleweights
Young Mitchell (1885-1893) American Featherweight, Australian Lightweight,PC Welterweight, and PC Middleweight Claimant - 35-0-6 (BoxRec only has 5-0-4)
Lester Jacobs (1989-2001) 29 (15) - 0 (0) - 0
Laszlo Papp (1957-1964) EBU (European) Middleweight Champion - 27 (15) - 0 (0) - 2
Scott Daley - (1986-1998) 24 (24) - 0 (0) – 0
Mark Janssen (1982-1997) 23 (13) - 0 (0) - 0
Antonio Perugino (1997-2003) 23 (8) - 0 (0) – 0
Gaetano Ardito (1980-1985) 21 (12) - 0 (0) – 0
Kenny Klingman (1977-1982) 20 (20) - 0 (0) – 0
Jim Brown (1969-1972) 18 (6) - 0 (0) – 0
Juan Carlos Ramirez (1993-1997) 17 (12) - 0 (0) - 1
Stephon Frost (1985-1997) 16 (8) - 0 (0) - 1
Nick Toretto (1943-1944) 16 (7) - 0 (0) - 0 Tony Dominguez (1988-2004) 16 (14) - 0 (0) – 0
Charlie Spina (1940-1946) 15 (10) - 0 (0)- 0
Pedro Fernandez (1965-1967) 14 (10) - 0 (0) – 1
Bill Miller (1955-1957) 14 (9) - 0 (0) – 2
Elby Pettaway (1939-1940) 13 (7) - 0 (0) – 1
Alex Mack (1967-1969) 13 (8) - 0 (0) - 0
Conrad Williams (1966-1968) 12 (5) - 0 (0) - 0
Francesco Cavalletti (1997-2000) 12 (7) - 0 (0) - 0
Fathi Missaoui (1998-2001) 12 (7) - 0 (0) – 0
Johnny Holt (1972-1976) 12 (5) - 0 (0) – 0
Oleg Kudinow (1999-2001) 12 (10) - 0 (0) – 0
Otis Gage (1991-2003) 12 (8) - 0 (0) - 0
Juan Domingo Olmedo (1997-2001) 12 (2) - 0 (0) - 0
Bob Berdahl (1957-1958) 11 (9) - 0 (0) – 0
Han-Chul Kim (2000-2004) 11 (10) - 0 (0) – 0
Anthony McFadden (1996-1999) 11 (5) - 0 (0) – 0
Reggie Boyer (1983-1984) 11 (7) - 0 (0) – 0
Sid Jones (1945-1946) 11 (7) - 0 (0) – 5
Laszlo Szucs (1998-2006) 10 (5) - 0 (0) - 0
Chuck Mince (1994-2000) 10 (5) - 0 (0) – 0
Angelo La Mattina (1981-1982) 10 (5) - 0 (0) – 0
Harold Mann (1963-1967) 10 (4) - 0 (0) - 0
Ken Thayer (1942-1949) 10 (6) - 0 (0) - 1
Jasper (Jerry) Colson (1951-1953) 10 (5) - 0 (0) – 0


Light Middleweights
Romain Mianzula (1980-1985) 22 (9) - 0 (0) - 1
Kirk Daley - (1988-1994) 19 (18) - 0 (0) - 0
Mike Jankovich (1993-1999) 19 (12) - 0 (0) - 1
Miguel Ramos (1992-2000) 16 (11) - 0 (0) - 1
Guillermo Javier Saputo (2001-2005) 16 (10) - 0 (0) – 0
Giuseppe Sauli (1991-1995) 15 (12) - 0 (0) - 0
Helio Santana Lima (1985-1988) 15 (10) - 0 (0) - 0
Aldo Nicchi (2002-2005) 13 (3) - 0 (0) – 0
Mouraud Ferguene (1981-1987) 13 (11) - 0 (0) - 0
Luciano Sorgon (1980-1982) 13 (6) - 0 (0) - 1
Tommy Shiels (1986-1988) 11 (9) - 0 (0) - 0
Fareed Samad (1997-2001) 10 (9) - 0 (0) - 0
Luis Burgos (1998-2002) 10 (4) - 0 (0) - 1
James Docherty (1998-2001) 10 (3) - 0 (0) - 0
Youshia Pireh (2000-2004) 10 (1) - 0 (0) - 0
Artyom Opolinsky (2003-2005) 10 (4) - 0 (0) – 0
Luigi Rosa (1965-1966) 10 (2) - 0 (0) - 3
Vernon Payne (2000-2003) 10 (4) - 0 (0) – 0
Christophe Drapeau (1991-1993) 10 (3) - 0 (0) – 0

Welterweights
Paul Spadafora (1995-2012) The Pittsburgh Kid Welterweight 47 (19) - 0 (0) - 1 (Still Active as of 2013)
Michael Loewe (1991-1997) WBO Welterweight Champion - 28 (10) - 0 (0) – 0
Jimmy Carlini (1951-1954) 20 (7) - 0 (0) - 1
Victor Manuel Purreta (1996-2004) 20 (8) - 0 (0) – 0
John Coward (1990-1993) 18 (16) - 0 (0) – 1
Arturo Morales (2002-2006) 17 (6) - 0 (0) - 1
Antonio Lima (1966-1970) 17 (12) - 0 (0) – 0
David Gutierrez (1984-1987) 17 (9) - 0 (0) - 1
Brian Powers (1986-1998) 17 (8) - 0 (0) – 1
Vincenzo Moruzzi (1974-1977) 17 (3) - 0 (0) – 2
Vinny Letizia - (1990-1993) 16 (14) - 0 (0) - 1
Harry Albritton (1944-1948) 16 (5) - 0 (0) - 1
Roberto Ayala (1970-1973) 16 (7) - 0 (0) - 1
Ronnie Sampson (1963-1968) 16 (5) - 0 (0) - 2
Joe Devlin (1954-1960) 15 (8) - 0 (0) – 0
Eiji Kimura (1983-1986) 15 (11) - 0 (0) – 1
Anthony Halmaert (2002-2006) 14 (12) - 0 (0) - 0
Billy Collins Jr. (1981-1983) 14 (11) - 0 (0) - 0
Jimmy McMahon (1992-1994) 14 (6) - 0 (0) – 1
Johnny Compo (1979-1981) 13 (7) - 0 (0) – 1
Andre Richardson (1984-1990) 13 (7) - 0 (0) – 0
James Connors (1959-1961) 13 (7) - 0 (0) - 1
Daniel Lynem (1994-2000) 12 (10) - 0 (0) - 0
Herb Coady (1932-1936) 12 (7) - 0 (0) - 1
Albert Legrand (1964-1965) 12 (1) - 0 (0) – 0
Marco Cattikas (2004-2006) 11 (4) - 0 (0) - 0
Ebelardo Munoz (1963-1963) 11 (3) - 0 (0) – 0
Rocky Wilson (1958-1959) 11 (7) - 0 (0) – 0
Ivan Alvarez (2005-2006) 10 (8) - 0 (0) – 1
Jimmy Mukalazi 2000-2002) 10 (6) - 0 (0) - 0
Jimmy Connelly (1979-1982) 10 (6) - 0 (0) – 0
Rolly Wilkes (1961-1963) 10 (6) - 0 (0) - 1
Mario Pereyra (1965-1966) 10 (6) - 0 (0) - 1
Kari Meronen (1969-1974) 10 (6) - 0 (0) - 0
Leonard Monte (1959-1959) 10 (4) - 0 (0) – 0
Pietro Callara (1978-1979) 10 (3) - 0 (0) - 0
Tony Thomas (1941-1942) 10 (8) - 0 (0) - 0
Charley Ellis (1965-1973) 10 (4) - 0 (0) – 0
Kevin Wieding (2000-2002) 10 (4) - 0 (0) – 2


Light Welterweights
Juan Carlos Gimenez (1969-1986) 27 (15) - 0 (0) – 4
Terry Marsh (1981-1987) IBF Light Welterweight Champion - 26 (10) - 0 (0) – 1
Vladimir Zykov (2002-2006) 18 (4) - 0 (0) – 0
Faik Inan (2000-2006) 16 (3) - 0 (0) - 0
Shaun Cooper (1988-1991) 16 (8) - 0 (0) – 0
Lorenzo Reynolds (2004-2006) 15 (7) - 0 (0) - 0
Mark Breslin (1994-1998) 15 (5) - 0 (0) - 0
Mauricio Ariel Pereira (1997-2005) 14 (1) - 0 (0) - 1
Robert Hernandez (1972-1974) 14 (6) - 0 (0) – 0
Jason Arena (2001-2004) 12 (8) - 0 (0) - 1
Soren Engelbrecht (2001-2004) 12 (9) - 0 (0) - 1
Ross Richmond (1989-1990) 12 (3) - 0 (0) – 0
Teppei Isomichi (2003-2006) 11 (7) - 0 (0) – 0
Szymon Porebski (2004-2006) 11 (3) - 0 (0) - 0
Ali Mohamed Akdi Amarouf (1998-2002) 11 (4) - 0 (0) – 0
Jeff Styers (1988-1996) 11 (4) - 0 (0) – 0
Ray Torres (1965-1967) 11 (3) - 0 (0) – 0
Paul Walberg (2002-2006) 10 (2) - 0 (0) – 1
Pedro Tapia (2004-2006) 10 (8) - 0 (0) - 0
Melvin Cumba (1998-2005) 10 (5) - 0 (0) – 0
Tenny Talbot (1936-1941) 10 (2) - 0 (0) – 2
Bill Fofana (2000-2000) 10 (10) - 0 (0) – 0


Lightweights
Edson Pedro Nascimento (1993-2004) UBC Ibero-American Lightweight Champion - 47 (40) - 0 (0) - 1
Jimmy Wilde (Moisés Ortenberg) - (1935-1943) Argentina - 37 (15) - 0 (0) – 5
Jack McAuliffe (1884-1897) World Lightweight Champion - 34 (23) - 0 (0) – 5
Bobby Campbell (1935-1940) 30 (3) - 0 (0) - 3
Juro Fukuda (1941-1943) 28 (15) - 0 (0) - 1
Favio Catalino Romero (1996-2001) 23 (22) - 0 (0) - 0
Dave Williams (1978-1981) 20 (15) - 0 (0) - 1
Bobby McHugh (1955-1957) 18 (13) - 0 (0) - 0
Milton Krompier (1930-1932) 17 (5) - 0 (0) - 0
Dion Murphy (1962-1966) 17 (9) - 0 (0) – 0
Freddie Reyes (1980-1983) 17 (8) - 0 (0) - 2
Dino Fontana (1964-1970) 17 (3) - 0 (0) – 0
Vasyl Tarabarov (2001-2006) 16 (7) - 0 (0) - 1
Shane Knox (1985-1991) 16 (10) - 0 (0) – 0
Ray Schlamp (1960-1964) 15 (15) - 0 (0) - 0
John Baker Muwanga (1978-1982) 14 (6) - 0 (0) - 0
Paul Woods (1939-1944) 13 (5) - 0 (0) – 3
Alexis Macias (1990-1996) 13 (7) - 0 (0) – 1
Martin Coscino (1950-1957) 13 (2) - 0 (0) – 0
Bobby Batilla (1932-1934) 13 (5) - 0 (0) – 1
Ralph Ruelas (1970-1971) 12 (9) - 0 (0) - 1
Oronde Dawley (2002-2005) 12 (4) - 0 (0) – 1
Dan Toriani (1957-1959) 12 (11) - 0 (0) - 2
Jeff Mason (1992-1998) 12 (6) - 0 (0) - 0
Levent Cukur (1998-2002) 12 (0) - 0 (0) – 0
Angelo Provenzano (1977-1978) 12 (4) - 0 (0) – 0
Mirko Wolf (2001-2006) 11 (6) - 0 (0) - 2
Lew Mendelhson (1932-1937) 11 (4) - 0 (0) - 1
Donnie Nelson (1974-1975) 11 (6) - 0 (0) – 0
Mickey Rosati (1954-1955) 11 (3) - 0 (0) – 1
Henry Costoza (1962-1967) 11 (1) - 0 (0) - 0
Frankie Romero (1948-1952) 11 (4) - 0 (0) – 5
Frankie Brasio (1931-1935) 11 (4) - 0 (0) - 1
Ben Cruz (2003-2004) 11 (7) - 0 (0) – 0
Roger Sanders (2004-2006) 10 (10) - 0 (0) - 0
Koichi Fukuda (1974-1975) 10 (8) - 0 (0) – 0
George Walker (1956-1958) 10 (2) - 0 (0) – 0
Monty Sherrick (1984-1985) 10 (2) - 0 (0) - 0
Jose Rivera (1970-1974) 10 (2) - 0 (0) – 3
James Cooke (1978-1983) 10 (5) - 0 (0) - 1
Fujimi Victorygym (2003-2004) 10 (1) - 0 (0) – 0
George Kucera (1928-1929) 10 (5) - 0 (0) - 0

Super Featherweights
Joan Guzman (1997-2006) 32 (19) - 0 (0) - 1
Mike Garcia (1992-1998) 26 (18) - 0 (0) - 0
Cliff Sarmardin Australian Super Featherweight & Victorian Lightweight Champion (1991-1995) 24 (14) - 0 (0) – 0
Irving Pierre Louis (1990-1996) 17 (5) - 0 (0) - 0
Hugo Lewis (1994-2004) 16 (12) - 0 (0) – 2
Jerome Pillow (1997-2006) 14 (10) - 0 (0) - 0
Kevin Lear WBU Super Featherweight Champion (1999-2002) 14 (6) - 0 (0) – 0
Ricardo Silva (1997-2002) 14 (8) - 0 (0) - 0
Shoji Otani (1969-1971) 14 (9) - 0 (0) – 0
Bobby Tomasello (1997-2000) 14 (6) - 0 (0) - 1
Jesus Vega (1996-2003) 14 (3) - 0 (0) - 2
Jimmy Di Mauro (1936-1940) 13 (6) - 0 (0) - 1
Franco Canini (1980-1981) 12 (1) - 0 (0) - 0
Erdal Kiran (2000-2005) 12 (7) - 0 (0) – 3
Luis Perez (1998-2002) 11 (7) - 0 (0) – 1
Hisashi Maeshiro (2004-2006) 10 (3) - 0 (0) - 0
Jorge Roberto De Oliveira (2001-2004) 10 (8) - 0 (0) – 0

Featherweights
Lakhin Vasansit (1993-2006) 28 (18) - 0 (0) - 2
Chul Kwon (1980-1987) 25 (17) - 0 (0) - 1
Joe Reinhart (1926-1933) 18 (8) - 0 (0) – 1
Danny Flores (1998-2004) 17 (3) - 0 (0) - 2
Jamie Carabello (1954-1955) 15 (9) - 0 (0) - 1
Ibrahim Vural (1997-2001) 15 (3) - 0 (0) - 0
Clarence (Babe) Spencer (1935-1939) 14 (8) - 0 (0) – 1
Johnny Monroe (1917-1923) 14 (3) - 0 (0) – 2
Ricardo Lara (1958-1961) 13 (7) - 0 (0) – 1
Ken Calderwood (1960-1962) 13 (1) - 0 (0) – 0
Ed (KO) Morgan (1935-1936) 13 (12) - 0 (0) - 0
Juan Martinez (1989-1993) 12 (3) - 0 (0) – 4
Mickey Boyson (1930-1932) 12 (5) - 0 (0) - 1
Horian Montiel (1996-2001) 11 (5) - 0 (0) – 0
Paul Lucas (1984-1991) 11 (8) - 0 (0) – 1
Jay McCombs (1963-1966) 11 (2) - 0 (0) - 0
Mickey Cooney (1927-1929) 10 (4) - 0 (0) – 3
Red Robbins (1927-1930) 10 (10) - 0 (0) - 2

Super Bantamweights
Gabula Vabaza (1996-2006) 23 (15) - 0 (0) - 1
Jemal Hinton (1988-1992) WBC Continental Americas Super Bantamweight Campion - 22 (17) - 0 (0) – 0
Saenghiran Lookbanyai (2003-2006) 20 (15) - 0 (0) - 0
Ji Won Kim (1982-1986) IBF Super Bantamweight Champion - 16 (7) - 0 (0) – 2
Rudy Dominguez (2001-2004) 11 (2) - 0 (0) – 1

Bantamweights
Jimmy Barry (1891-1899) World Paperweight Champion (110lbs) - 58 (38) - 0 (0) - 10
Agustin Senin – (1967-1972) Spanish & EBU (European) Bantamweight Champion - 42 (21) - 0 (0) – 1
Hilaire Pratesi (1952-1955) French Bantamweight Champion 26 (14) - 0 (0) – 1
Marcos Oscar Garro (1993-1998) Argentine (FAB), South American Bantamweight Champion 21 (9) - 0 (0) - 0
Mzukisi Skweyiya (1973-1978) South African Non-White Bantamweight Champion - 21 (7) - 0 (0) – 1
Louis Gomis (1983-1987) 18 (6) - 0 (0) – 1
Takashi Matsuo (1987-1995) 16 (10) - 0 (0) - 0
Giovanni Carboni (1960-1966) 13 (2) - 0 (0) - 0


Super Flyweights
Samson Dutch Boy Gym (1992-2002) WBF Super Flyweight Champion - 43 (36) - 0 (0) – 0
Felix Castillo (1980-1985) 17 (13) - 0 (0) – 0
Victor Proa (2004-2006) 14 (10) - 0 (0) - 0
Lamhot Simamora Indonesian & OPBF Super Flyweight Champion (1990-1995) 10 (3) - 0 (0) – 1

Flyweights
Pichit Sitbangprachan (1988-2000) IBF Flyweight Champion 24 (18) - 0 (0) – 0
Sung-Tae Lim (1991-1996) 18 (3) - 0 (0) – 2
Servilio de Oliveira (1969-1977) South American Flyweight Champion 16 (9) - 0 (0) – 0
Bernard Marshall (1950-1951) 12 (6) - 0 (0) - 3
Ramases Patterson (1997-2002) 11 (2) - 0 (0) – 0
Maxsaisai Pinsinchai (2004-2006) 10 (4) - 0 (0) – 0

Light Flyweights
Ricardo Lopez (1985-2001) IBF Light Flyweight Champion 51 (38) - 0 (0) - 1

Re: Boxers retiring undefeated

Posted: 01 Mar 2013, 21:23
by Rover
Joyi lost to Rodriguez last year.

Re: Boxers retiring undefeated

Posted: 01 Mar 2013, 21:25
by hhascup
Rover wrote:Joyi lost to Rodriguez last year.
I know, I took him out as soon as I saw him listed. Like I stated, this was done a few years ago so there could be a few mistakes.