Worst officials.

[Rover]

The New York female judge Eugenia Williams who somehow scored the first Holyfield-Lewis fight for Evander. Even gave Holy the 5th round when he was battered all around the Garden. A disgrace she's still judging.

She's still judging? Haven't seen her. Unbelieveable.

She's spent the past several years working primarily smaller cards in New Jersey. I think an embarrased boxing tried to hide her after the Lewis-Holyfield fight. She didn't work for nearly 5 years before resurfacing.

She should've never resurfaced. Absolute disgrace there.

[SenorPipino]

Another blind genius was Miguel "Mikey" Donate who somehow scored the first Fenech-Nelson fight 8-4 (116-112) in favor of Azumah. This after Fenech spent the last 10 rounds kicking Azumah's ass all over the ring. Hmmmm. The guy never worked another fight.

[Rover]

Another blind genius was Miguel "Mikey" Donate who somehow scored the first Fenech-Nelson fight 8-4 (116-112) in favor of Azumah. This after Fenech spent the last 10 rounds kicking Azumah's ass all over the ring. Hmmmm. The guy never worked another fight.

Yeah, 116-112 Nelson was an atrocious card.

[keithmoonhangover]

Back in the day, if Richard Steele was in the ring, I wasn't alone in thinking Don King fighters were at an advantage.

If Steele was the ref for Tyson - Douglas, I think he would have found a way to either a, count Douglas out or b, stop the fight when he got up.

[SenorPipino]

I should have cashed in my betting slip quickly that night. I put down $100 on Fenech as a 7-5 underdog. The fight was originally announced in the ring as a majority win for Fenech, but was changed about 30 minutes later to a draw. Boy was I pissed. Thanx "Mikey."

[Rover]

I should have cashed in my betting slip quickly that night. I put down $100 on Fenech as a 7-5 underdog. The fight was originally announced in the ring as a majority win for Fenech, but was changed about 30 minutes later to a draw. Boy was I pissed. Thanx "Mikey."

No, you're thinking of Leija I. Fenech I was announced as a draw right away. I am sure of this because I just rewatched Leija I a few weeks ago and have seen Nelson/Fenech I many times. There was no announcement of Fenech as the winner by MD. With respect to Leija I, I think it was originally announced as a Nelson SD.

[Rover]

Well well, 19 posts and not one reference to that boring old chestnut, Richard Steele for stopping Meldrick Tay,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,boo hoo hoo.

Blame Taylor's dimwit trainer who jumped on the apron, an act for which Steele would've had the right to DQ Taylor.

I don't blame anyone. I just know that it was not Steele's job to count time, or give a eff about judges scores. It was Steele's job to protect the fighters at ALL times, and Meldrick was beyond protecting himself.

What do you mean by count time? And who's claimed that it was Steele's job to care about judges' scores, which he couldn't have known?

[Seamus]

Jimmy Paul dominated Harry Arroyo and dropped him 3 times, but at the end of 15, Frank Cappuccino only had him winning by 142-141

[Rover]

Taylor/Taliafarrow
One judge had it 111-107 for Bernard.
Another had it 112-105 for Pete, who clearly won.
One got the wrong winner.
Both had nutty scorecards; no KDs as I recall.
It was so nuts ESPN interviewed Chester Comeau, the only judge with a sane (118-111) card.

[Ambling Alp II]

Richard Steele has to be up there. Stopped Ruddcok vs Tyson without looking at Ruddock to see if he was shurt. Also missed Ruddock tripping earlier in the fight and called it a knockdown. Let Tate-Olajide one-sided beating go the distance.

[gilgamesh]

The judges that scored Abril-Rios for Rios were all horrible.

[Rover]

June 25, 1983

WBA Featherweight Championship

Juan LaPorte vs. Johnny De La Rosa

* Referee - Harry Gibbs......{115-114} - Juan LaPorte
* Judge - James Jae-Kin.....{116-113} - Johnny De La Rosa
* Judge - John Coyle..........{116-111} - Juan LaPorte

No way Juan LaPorte won that fight, and not by a {116-111} Scorecard.

Johnny won that fight in Puerto Rico.

That was the WBC title.

[Rover]

The judges that scored Abril-Rios for Rios were all horrible.

All two of them.

[Rover]

Richard Steele has to be up there. Stopped Ruddcok vs Tyson without looking at Ruddock to see if he was shurt. Also missed Ruddock tripping earlier in the fight and called it a knockdown. Let Tate-Olajide one-sided beating go the distance.

Poor Ruddcok.

[IRLangmaid25]

Lawrence Cole should have been pistolwhipped after letting Antonio Margarito take the utter shallacking he got off Manny Pacquiao 3 years ago at Cowboys Stadium. He could clearly see that Pacquiao was practically landing with everything he was throwing from about rounds 8 and 9 on wards and Margarito was in no position to turn the fight around at all and Pacquiao was imploring Cole to stop the fight.

[Rover]

Lawrence Cole should have been pistolwhipped after letting Antonio Margarito take the utter shallacking he got off Manny Pacquiao 3 years ago at Cowboys Stadium. He could clearly see that Pacquiao was practically landing with everything he was throwing from about rounds 8 and 9 on wards and was in position to turn the fight at all...

Great call on Cole. He screwed up two KD calls in Pac/MAB, and he also told JMM he was ahead against Jaca, an act for which I believe he was suspended.

[Rover]

Ah, thanks for clarifying the meaning, and I'm glad we agree on the result of that fight.
As for the critics:
I agree it isn't his job to count time, and he couldn't have known how the cards were. One judge had Chavez ahead. The "critics" never offered up any evidence of a relationship with Steele and King; in the HBO Legendary Nights series, the best some pundit could come up with was "Perception is reality."

[Ambling Alp II]

My problem with that fight is that Taylor was clearly distracted by his own corner and wasn't even looking at Steele. Steele should have realized that he didn't have Taylor's attention and moved so that Taylor would be looking right at him.
However, if it was just that one fight, I would not consider him such a bad referee.

What makes you wonder about Steele is that in some fights he lets the fight go on when it should be stopped. In others, he stops the fight very easily. Whether he was "On the Take" or not is hard to say.

I am beginning to think I am the only person to have seen the Tate-Olajide fight. Have never heard anyone else ever comment on it. It was on regular network TV.
Anyway, Tate just completely dominated Olajide. It was a vicious one-sided beating. Olajide was in much worse shape that Meldrick Taylor was. It was more one-sided than Holmes-Cobb. Yet, Steele just let it go on, round after round when it was obvious that Olajide had no chance. (Olajide corner deserves a lot of criticsm for not stopping it as well.)

[Rover]

My problem with that fight is that Taylor was clearly distracted by his own corner and wasn't even looking at Steele. Steele should have realized that he didn't have Taylor's attention and moved so that Taylor would be looking right at him.
However, if it was just that one fight, I would not consider him such a bad referee.

What makes you wonder about Steele is that in some fights he lets the fight go on when it should be stopped. In others, he stops the fight very easily. Whether he was "On the Take" or not is hard to say.

I am beginning to think I am the only person to have seen the Tate-Olajide fight. Have never heard anyone else ever comment on it. It was on regular network TV.
Anyway, Tate just completely dominated Olajide. It was a vicious one-sided beating. Olajide was in much worse shape that Meldrick Taylor was. It was more one-sided than Holmes-Cobb. Yet, Steele just let it go on, round after round when it was obvious that Olajide had no chance. (Olajide corner deserves a lot of criticsm for not stopping it as well.)

Steele shouldn't have to accommodate for Taylor's nitwit trainer, and if Richard had really been out to screw Meldrick he could've DQ'ed him.
Maybe he realized the error of his ways in Tate/Olajide and developed a quicker trigger.

[keithmoonhangover]

I would love to put Steele on a lie detector test and ask him if he stopped the fight because he feared for Meldrick Taylor's safety, or because Chavez was King's fighter?

[Ambling Alp II]

My problem with that fight is that Taylor was clearly distracted by his own corner and wasn't even looking at Steele. Steele should have realized that he didn't have Taylor's attention and moved so that Taylor would be looking right at him.
However, if it was just that one fight, I would not consider him such a bad referee.

What makes you wonder about Steele is that in some fights he lets the fight go on when it should be stopped. In others, he stops the fight very easily. Whether he was "On the Take" or not is hard to say.

I am beginning to think I am the only person to have seen the Tate-Olajide fight. Have never heard anyone else ever comment on it. It was on regular network TV.
Anyway, Tate just completely dominated Olajide. It was a vicious one-sided beating. Olajide was in much worse shape that Meldrick Taylor was. It was more one-sided than Holmes-Cobb. Yet, Steele just let it go on, round after round when it was obvious that Olajide had no chance. (Olajide corner deserves a lot of criticsm for not stopping it as well.)

Steele shouldn't have to accommodate for Taylor's nitwit trainer, and if Richard had really been out to screw Meldrick he could've DQ'ed him.
Maybe he realized the error of his ways in Tate/Olajide and developed a quicker trigger.

It's not really much of an accomadation; he would just have to move one step over. It would really have just been common sense. Yes I suppose he could have DQ'd Taylor, but for what?

I'm not saying that Steele was automatically crooked because of the stoppage; he may have just made a bad call in the heat of the moment. And not because there was only a few seconds left. If Taylor was hurt badly, then it would not have been a bad call regardless of the time.
He should not have stopped it because Taylor was not hurt that badly.

Steele's performance in the Tyson-Ruddock fight was worse than his performance in the Taylor-Chavez fight. The strange thing about all of this is that at one time Steele was considered one of the best referees.

[Rover]

I would love to put Steele on a lie detector test and ask him if he stopped the fight because he feared for Meldrick Taylor's safety, or because Chavez was King's fighter?

Those aren't even reliable.

[Rover]

My problem with that fight is that Taylor was clearly distracted by his own corner and wasn't even looking at Steele. Steele should have realized that he didn't have Taylor's attention and moved so that Taylor would be looking right at him.
However, if it was just that one fight, I would not consider him such a bad referee.

What makes you wonder about Steele is that in some fights he lets the fight go on when it should be stopped. In others, he stops the fight very easily. Whether he was "On the Take" or not is hard to say.

I am beginning to think I am the only person to have seen the Tate-Olajide fight. Have never heard anyone else ever comment on it. It was on regular network TV.
Anyway, Tate just completely dominated Olajide. It was a vicious one-sided beating. Olajide was in much worse shape that Meldrick Taylor was. It was more one-sided than Holmes-Cobb. Yet, Steele just let it go on, round after round when it was obvious that Olajide had no chance. (Olajide corner deserves a lot of criticsm for not stopping it as well.)

Steele shouldn't have to accommodate for Taylor's nitwit trainer, and if Richard had really been out to screw Meldrick he could've DQ'ed him.
Maybe he realized the error of his ways in Tate/Olajide and developed a quicker trigger.

It's not really much of an accomadation; he would just have to move one step over. It would really have just been common sense. Yes I suppose he could have DQ'd Taylor, but for what?

I'm not saying that Steele was automatically crooked because of the stoppage; he may have just made a bad call in the heat of the moment. And not because there was only a few seconds left. If Taylor was hurt badly, then it would not have been a bad call regardless of the time.
He should not have stopped it because Taylor was not hurt that badly.

Steele's performance in the Tyson-Ruddock fight was worse than his performance in the Taylor-Chavez fight. The strange thing about all of this is that at one time Steele was considered one of the best referees.

He could've DQ'd Taylor because his trainer was on the apron, and I think Taylor was hurt quite badly. Steele asked Taylor questions which Taylor didn't answer. That's Taylor's fault (that he was "distracted")--if he were capable of answering them. Duva also foolishly told Taylor to fight the last round; Taylor fought a stupid last round.

[Rover]

Ah, thanks for clarifying the meaning, and I'm glad we agree on the result of that fight.
As for the critics:
I agree it isn't his job to count time, and he couldn't have known how the cards were. One judge had Chavez ahead. The "critics" never offered up any evidence of a relationship with Steele and King; in the HBO Legendary Nights series, the best some pundit could come up with was "Perception is reality."

Yes, one judge wrongly did have Chavez ahead. Even allowing for your and Saads mutual arrogant appreciation society, are you that stupid that you think Steele as a former judge didn't know who was well ahead at the time of the KD? The fact is he showed what a true pro he was, by taking his referees job seriously enough to advocate the principle that to him was the safety and protection of the fighter(s) is paramount at all times. No matter how long is left in the fight, and no matter who was winning at that time.

As for your silly court room type conspiracy theory regarding King, and Steele I neither know nor care what the fvck you are waffling about. But like most things you imagine, it might entertain some fools, ( folks )

Just to clarify, when I say "critics" I don't mean anyone worth mentioning, I mean fanboys ( in much the way you are a fanboy of Saad as fvck ) or haters who believe Chavez should never have got to 69 - 0.

I don't believe in the King/Steele conspiracy.
As for the scoring, one didn't have to be a former judge to think that Taylor was likely ahead. Every account I've read of that fight had him way ahead except for one judge.

[dberry]

Bryce Birtwhistle, referee for the Victor Oginov - Brad Pitt fight. He is also a very 'subjective' judge.