Floyd Patterson vs Corrie Sanders

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Yup, I'll read a post here and there for the unintentional humor. Like when he said Richard Steele was gun shy from the Taylor/Chavez backlash when he let Hearns/Barkley continue. But his incessant desire to argue I rarely indulge.

[Ezzard]

I’d imagine this to be a close fight. But with a conclusive ending either way. Sanders’ size going some way to negating Patterson’s greater ability. I think Patterson would be the favourite but he wouldn’t always win this matchup.

[BoxBuzz]

Here is what the Mighty Univac has to say about this fight.



Corrie Sanders vs Floyd Patterson

Fight info: Marigold Gardens, Chicago, IL, United States, 2012-10-07, announcer is Joe Humphries, referee is James Jen-Kin, the bout will be scored by three judges: Kwan-Ho Jang (South Korea), Nathan Palmer (United States) and Terrance Makaluza (South Africa), ring card girl is Amy Longlegs, this is not a title bout, the bout is scheduled for 15 rounds, three KD rule is not in effect, save by the bell only in last round, only the referee can stop the fight, mandatory 8 count is not in effect, fight stopped due to an accidental head butt: Tech. Draw through 4/Scorecard after 4, game will check for injuries, game will not adjust ratings for weight class, use judges bias is set to 'random', Scoring System is 10 Points
In the red corner: Corrie Sanders - Record: 1-0-0 - Career Stage: Prime - Conditioning: Top Condition - Trainer: Eddie Inabagsky - Cut Man: Eddie Aliano
In the blue corner: Floyd Patterson - Record: 1-0-0 - Career Stage: Prime - Conditioning: Top Condition - Trainer: Eddie Inabagsky - Cut Man: Ted Bentham

Round 1
Time Commentary Points
0:00 The fighters look anxious as they wait for Round 1 to start. The bell rings and its show time. 0:0
0:06 Not a lot on that hook to Sanders's side, but it scored. 0:2
0:15 Sanders slides into the corner... 0:2
0:20 That's a pretty long clinch! Do these guys want to hug or fight? 0:2
0:29 Jen-Kin is shouting at Patterson to break! 0:2
0:39 Sanders connects with a violent combination! 4:2
0:39 Patterson's hurt, the last punch in that flurry stopped him cold! 4:2
0:53 Patterson lets his hands go inside, but Sanders protects his body well. 4:2
01:00 The fighters have worked their way back to the center of the ring. 4:2
01:00 Patterson scores with consecutive blows to the body of Corrie Sanders. 4:4
01:14 Patterson misses. He had an opening and whiffed with the punch. 4:4
01:21 OH! Sanders landed the big hook flush! 8:4
01:21 Patterson looks shaken! 8:4
01:38 Patterson wants to go downstairs, but can't penetrate Sanders's defense. 8:4
01:57 Patterson ties up Sanders... Let's hope this does not turn into a wrestling match. 8:4
02:07 Jen-Kin separates the two... 8:4
02:15 Sanders tries to push Patterson back in an attempt to gain room to punch. 8:4
02:22 Sanders looks to land a combination but misses the mark. 8:4
02:25 Patterson fires the jab. It finds its target. 8:6
02:34 Sanders retreats into the near corner. 8:6
02:38 Patterson misses wildly with the Hook. 8:6
02:48 Sanders slides into his own corner... 8:6
02:52 That hook by Patterson jarred Sanders! 8:10
02:52 Corrie Sanders takes a step back, obviously hurt! 8:10
03:00 Patterson approaches flat-footed, but continues to move forward, not giving Sanders any room to breathe. 8:10
03:00 There's the bell. Round 1 is history. We've got a lot more action coming up. 8:10

Round 2
Time Commentary Points
0:00 The crowd is making some noise as the fighter come out for round number 2. 0:0
0:15 Sanders lands a crushing uppercut! 4:0
0:15 Patterson looks hurt... He's stumbling backward! 4:0
0:24 Whatever Eddie Inabagsky said to him in the corner between rounds must have had some effect as Sanders has some spring in his step here in the 2nd round. 4:0
0:29 Patterson is jockeying for position as he tries to force Sanders back into the corner. 4:0
0:39 Sanders throws a straight right that glances off the shoulder of Patterson but it's enough to keep him off-balance. 4:0
0:41 The cross scores for Patterson. He needs to throw that punch more often. 4:2
0:55 No one is going to confuse Patterson with a ballerina, but at least he isn't just standing still. 4:2
01:03 Sanders traps Patterson in the corner! 4:2
01:03 Both fighters want to work inside for the moment, as Sanders blasts home a hook. 6:2
01:24 Sanders looks to work the body, but Patterson covers up nicely. 6:2
01:26 Patterson fires a short right cross that lands square. That was a nice punch. 6:5
01:44 Sanders just can't find the range with that jab. 6:5
01:46 Floyd Patterson lands with a short, quick uppercut in close. 6:7
02:00 Sanders fires a left hand that Patterson takes high on the shoulder. 6:7
02:07 Sanders's corner is shouting to their man, encouraging him to pick up the action. 6:7
02:22 Sanders fires and misses. 6:7
02:29 Patterson catches Sanders coming in with a sweet uppercut! 6:12
02:29 Sanders was staggered by that punch! 6:12
02:42 Patterson can't find the range as he tries to work the body. 6:12
02:53 Patterson moves to the center of the Ring taunting Sanders with his hands by his sides. 6:12
03:00 Patterson lets his hands go but his punches land on the arms of Sanders. 6:12
03:00 The seconds tick off the clock ending Round 2. 6:14

Round 3
Time Commentary Points
0:00 Round 3 gets underway as the fighters move to the middle of the ring. 0:0
0:06 Ted Bentham was extremely upbeat during the break with Patterson providing some solid encouragement. 0:0
0:12 Sanders misses with what looked like a backhand. He's lucky. If that had landed, he might have drawn a warning. 0:0
0:19 Patterson shoots a vicious cross right down the pipe and catches Sanders flush! 0:4
0:19 Sanders is just looking for a place to fall after that shot! 0:4
0:36 Corrie Sanders clinches... Patterson gets an arm free! He should be punching with it! 0:4
0:51 * Patterson is blatantly hitting after the break and Jen-Kin has stopped the action to scold him 0:4
01:09 Sanders pins Patterson in the corner! 0:4
01:14 Sanders throws a flurry of punches but Patterson either blocks or slips them. 0:4
01:21 There's a hard shot off the top of Sanders's head! 0:8
01:21 Sanders seems to have been hurt by that punch! 0:8
01:37 Corrie Sanders tries to double up on the jab but neither hit the mark. 0:8
01:44 There's a pause in the action as both fighters regroup. 0:8
01:47 Patterson retreats into a neutral corner. 0:8
01:47 Sanders scores with three hard shots in a row! 3:8
02:01 Sanders wings a big left hand at Patterson but the latter sidesteps the punch. 3:8
02:13 Sanders ties up Patterson... 3:8
02:17 Jen-Kin has to break them apart. 3:8
02:22 Corrie Sanders pins Patterson in the corner! 3:8
02:26 Sanders misses with an uppercut from way outside. That's a dangerous punch to throw. You leave yourself wide open for a counter. 3:8
02:29 Patterson feints downstairs, then lands an uppercut under Corrie Sanders's chin. 3:10
02:38 Sanders has Patterson cornered! 3:10
02:42 Patterson does a great job with subtle movement to avoid Sanders's punches in close. 3:10
02:53 Both fighters are circling, keeping their distance from each other. 3:10
03:00 Round 3 finishes with the sound of the bell. 3:10

Round 4
Time Commentary Points
0:00 Round 4 begins as the bell sounds. 0:0
0:26 * Sanders lands a vicious hook and Patterson collapses like a house of cards! 0:0
0:28 Jen-Kin crouches over Patterson and begins to count.. 7:0
0:28 1... 7:0
0:29 2... 7:0
0:30 3... 7:0
0:31 4... 7:0
0:32 5... 7:0
0:32 * Floyd Patterson's legs look bad as he manages to rise from the knockdown. 7:0
0:32 Jen-Kin waves the two fighters together, he is allowing the fight to continue. 7:0
0:32 Sanders appears to have Patterson out on his feet. I'm not sure which of those last few punches hurt him so badly but Patterson looks ready to go, as Sanders closes in to try and end this fight. 7:0
0:37 Neither fighter shows any wear and tear at this point. 7:0
0:50 Sanders misses with the right and then fails to connect with the left as well. 7:0
01:01 Patterson moves into a neutral corner. 7:0
01:01 The fighters are tangled up inside. Sanders has a hand free and lands a little uppercut. 9:0
01:01 Sanders is raining blows down on Patterson, who is obviously hurt. Sanders wants to take the decision out of the hands of the judges and he has a chance to do just that! 9:0
01:09 Sanders has Patterson trapped! 9:0
01:14 Sanders misses with that punch. 9:0
01:25 Sanders cuts loose with a combination and the crowd roars, but the truth is none of those punches landed. Patterson had his elbows tucked in nicely. 9:0
01:36 Sanders wraps his arms around Floyd Patterson. 9:0
01:51 The Referee breaks it up... 9:0
01:56 Patterson throws another good combination that temporarily slows Sanders. 9:2
02:05 Patterson has Sanders blocked in! 9:2
02:05 Sanders tastes Patterson's jab 9:4
02:14 Patterson's jab falls short, but the cross gets in behind it. 9:6
02:23 Patterson has Sanders pinned! 9:6
02:28 Patterson looks somewhat plodding as he tries to chase down Sanders. 9:6
02:37 Sanders throws punches in bunches and that's the way to disrupt your opponent's rhythm. 11:6
02:46 The crowd is reacting to every punch thrown by these guys, whether it lands or not. 11:6
02:53 Patterson wraps up Sanders... Neither fighter will break... 11:6
02:57 Sanders pushes Patterson away. 11:6
03:00 Oh, there's nothing like a knockdown to bring a crowd to it's feet and those in attendance here are cheering loudly as the round closes. 10:7

Round 5
Time Commentary Points
0:00 Amy 'The Smile' Longlegs exits the ring to wild cheering. We await the bell, signaling the start of Round 5. There it is! 0:0
0:12 Patterson throws a crushing right to Sanders's jaw! 0:4
0:12 Sanders is reeling after that shot! 0:4
0:16 Both fighters show virtually nothing in the way of damage. 0:4
0:21 It is a good boxing crowd tonight. They know the game and are reacting to every good punch that lands. 0:4
0:24 Patterson backs into the upper left corner. 0:4
0:24 Sanders bangs the uppercut home. 2:4
0:33 Patterson continues to pop the jab 2:6
0:57 It's a sweet uppercut by Patterson! He snapped Sanders's head straight back with that punch! 2:10
0:57 Sanders is badly hurt! 2:10
01:14 There's a clinch. Neither fighter seems to want to break. 2:10
01:25 Jen-Kin separates the two... 2:10
01:30 Patterson slides into a neutral corner... 2:10
01:30 A hard jab to the stomach makes Floyd Patterson gasp!! 5:10
01:42 Corrie Sanders doubles up on the jab and he managed to score with the second one. 7:10
01:47 Last round's knockdown doesn't appear to have had any carry over here in Round 5. 7:10
01:57 Patterson retreats into his own corner... 7:10
02:01 Sanders dips as if to launch a body shot, then goes upstairs with a quick hook to the head that puts Patterson back on his heels! 11:10
02:01 Patterson was rattled by that shot and he is hurt! 11:10
02:11 Patterson has Sanders trapped in the right neutral corner... 11:10
02:25 Sanders lands a solid uppercut! 16:10
02:25 Sanders sent Patterson reeling with that punch! 16:10
02:43 * Corrie Sanders lands a perfect cross and Patterson slumps to the canvas! 16:10
02:46 Jen-Kin picks up the count from the timekeeper... 26:10
02:46 1... 26:10
02:47 2... 26:10
02:48 3... 26:10
02:49 4... 26:10
02:50 5... 26:10
02:51 6... 26:10
02:52 7... 26:10
02:53 8... 26:10
02:54 9... 26:10
02:54 * Patterson is back on his feet! He looks shaken... 26:10
02:54 Jen-Kin gives Patterson a quick once over and decides to let the fight go on. 26:10
03:00 Patterson backs into a neutral corner. 26:10
03:00 Patterson picks off the hook by Sanders. 26:10
03:00 The bell rings and the crowd is on fire, that knockdown was definitely worth the price of admission 26:10

Round 6
Time Commentary Points
0:00 Patterson was a little slow getting off his stool this round. 0:0
0:14 Sanders lands a wicked combination! 5:0
0:14 Patterson is going to need to regroup after that series of blows... 5:0
0:18 Despite the punches landed, both fighters remain unmarked. 5:0
0:23 Floyd Patterson moves into the upper corner. 5:0
0:27 Sanders keeps looking to get inside on Patterson 5:0
0:36 There's a straight right by Sanders! 9:0
0:36 Patterson looks shaken! 9:0
0:49 Sanders lands a strong cross! 13:0
0:49 That was a beautiful shot, Patterson's eyes actually rolled back in his head! It's amazing that he's still upright! 13:0
01:03 Sanders tries to drop the right hand over the top but Patterson ducks under it. 13:0
01:09 Floyd Patterson is forced into his own corner... 13:0
01:14 Sanders misses badly. It looked like he changed his mind half way through the punch. 13:0
01:20 Sanders traps Patterson in the corner! 13:0
01:25 Corrie Sanders lands a solid hook! 18:0
01:25 Floyd Patterson is clutching his side! 18:0
01:29 Patterson is still trying to recover from being down in the last round and he looks a little unsteady. 18:0
01:38 Sanders grabs and holds Patterson... 18:0
01:43 Jen-Kin steps in and breaks it up. 18:0
01:53 Sanders leaves the jab just short. 18:0
02:02 Patterson is staying at the center of the ring. 18:0
02:07 Floyd Patterson is clinching... Sanders is trying to free his gloves... They are under Patterson's arms... 18:0
02:22 Jen-Kin has to break the clinch. 18:0
02:32 Sanders has Patterson cornered! 18:0
02:37 Sanders is holding Patterson tighter than most men do their wives -- or girlfriends! 18:0
02:41 Jen-Kin moves them apart. 18:0
02:55 Sanders pummels Patterson, capping off his assault with a stiff combination! 22:0
02:55 Oh my! those were devastating blows! Patterson is just trying to hang on! 22:0
03:00 Sanders spins around and moves quickly back to his corner at the sound of the bell, ending Round 6. 21:1

Round 7
Time Commentary Points
0:00 Both fighters look ready to go as Round 7 begins. 0:0
0:06 Patterson got some great advice from Ted Bentham between rounds, let's see if he puts it to use here in round 7. 0:0
0:07 Sanders traps Patterson in the corner! 0:0
0:11 Sanders grabs Patterson's head, pulls it down, into his chest. Jen-Kin has to force Sanders to let go. 0:0
0:16 Jen-Kin separates them. 0:0
0:16 No blood, no bruises and no swelling; you wouldn't know that these guys are already in the 7th round of this fight. 0:0
0:25 Sanders lets his hands go but his punches land on the arms of Patterson. 0:0
0:32 Patterson has Sanders blocked in! 0:0
0:37 Sanders holds his arms up in disgust as Patterson holds him around his waist. 0:0
0:41 The fighters separate after a clinch. 0:0
0:46 Patterson's corner is urging him on. They're really vocal tonight. 0:0
0:53 Sanders has freed himself from Patterson. They move quickly to ring center. 0:0
01:15 Sanders has Patterson pinned! 0:0
01:20 Sanders can't score with short uppercut inside. Patterson got his gloves in front of the punch. 0:0
01:22 Both fighters are feinting with the shoulders. Now, Patterson lands the right hand. 0:2
01:36 Corrie Sanders goes straight at Patterson, a poor way to cut off the ring if that's what he's trying to do. 0:2
01:45 Corrie Sanders scores with a winging right! Patterson's head snapped back violently with that punch! 5:2
01:45 Patterson staggers into the ropes! He is struggling to remain upright! 5:2
01:58 Patterson eats a jab from Sanders 7:2
02:12 Patterson lands a devastating uppercut! 7:7
02:12 That blow connected solidly to the head of Sanders and he is stunned! 7:7
02:29 Corrie Sanders fires away but finds nothing but air. 7:7
02:31 Patterson leans on Sanders and fires a weak hook to the ribs. 7:9
02:40 Corrie Sanders is covering up to prevent body shots, but he's leaving his chin dangerously unprotected! 7:9
02:51 Sanders backs into his own corner... 7:9
02:55 Patterson slides along the far ropes. 7:9
03:00 As the round comes to a close, both fighters continue to wing shots. That was another good round of action. 9:9

Round 8
Time Commentary Points
0:00 Round 8 is about to begin... There's the bell! 0:0
0:08 Ted Bentham seemed to pump up Patterson between rounds. 0:0
0:09 Patterson is trapped in the corner... 0:0
0:13 Sanders just misses with a huge shot as Patterson chooses the perfect time to suddenly backpedal. 0:0
0:20 Look out! That was a straight right by Floyd Patterson! 0:4
0:20 That's the punch Patterson hoped to land! Sanders looks to be in bad shape after that blow! 0:4
0:25 Sanders is losing his legs... 0:4
0:25 Neither fighter has a mark on them at this point of the fight. 0:4
0:29 Patterson was hearing it from Eddie Inabagsky between rounds, as did not let his hands go enough that last round. 0:4
0:29 The fighters are at ring center... 0:4
0:34 Patterson misses wildly with the hook. 0:4
0:49 Patterson continues to come forward but he should be moving in behind punches. 0:4
0:53 The action slows for the moment. 0:4
01:05 * Sanders goes down!! he walked right into a wicked combination from Patterson!! 0:4
01:07 Jen-Kin crouches over Sanders as he starts the count 0:11
01:07 1... 0:11
01:08 2... 0:11
01:09 3... 0:11
01:10 4... 0:11
01:11 5... 0:11
01:11 * Sanders is up and leaning on the ropes. Now he comes off them and looks toward Patterson. 0:11
01:11 Jen-Kin wipes Sanders's gloves as he asks him if he wants the fight to go on... Sanders nods his head and the action resumes. 0:11
01:11 Patterson has Sanders in a world of trouble. Let's see if he can finish him here in the 8th. 0:11
01:15 Sanders's punches are losing their steam as he looks beat. 0:11
01:42 * Patterson unleashes a two fisted barrage and Sanders is driven backwards and he's knocked through the ropes!! Sanders has been knocked completely out of the ring!! 0:11
01:44 Jen-Kin begins the count... 0:20
01:44 1... 0:20
01:45 2... 0:20
01:46 3... 0:20
01:47 4... 0:20
01:48 5... 0:20
01:49 6... 0:20
01:50 7... 0:20
01:51 8... 0:20
01:52 9... 0:20
01:53 Sanders makes it to a knee at the count of 10 but he's still struggling to get his legs under him! 0:20
01:53 * And that's it! Sanders can't beat the count. Patterson wins this fight in dramatic fashion with a stunning knockout! 0:20

Fight Result

We go to the ring where Joe Humphries is ready with the call...

Ladies and Gentlemen! The end comes at 01:59 of round 8. The winner by knockout!!

Floyd Patterson!


Score Cards

Kwan-Ho Jang Round Total
South Korea 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
Corrie Sanders 9 9 9 10 10 10 10 67
Floyd Patterson 10 10 10 8 8 9 10 65

Nathan Palmer Round Total
United States 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
Corrie Sanders 9 9 9 10 10 10 10 67
Floyd Patterson 10 10 10 8 8 9 10 65

Terrance Makaluza Round Total
South Africa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
Corrie Sanders 9 9 9 10 10 10 10 67
Floyd Patterson 10 10 10 8 8 9 10 65

Round Totals Round Total
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
Corrie Sanders 27 27 27 30 30 30 30 201
Floyd Patterson 30 30 30 24 24 27 30 195


Statistics
Categories Corrie Sanders Floyd Patterson
Knockdowns scored 2 2


Jabs / Round 2.75 4.13
Hooks / Round 3.00 4.38
Crosses / Round 2.75 2.75
Combinations / Round 3.88 3.38
Uppercuts / Round 2.88 2.63


Punches Landed / Round 15.25 17.25
Punches Missed / Round 56.25 16.13


Punching Accuracy 21.3% 51.7%


Total Number of Fouls 0 1
Hitting on the Break 1


Foul Penalties:
Caution 1




No cuts occured


Strategies (demanded/followed)
Cover Up 1 / 1 2 / 2
Fight Inside 4 / 2 4 / 4
Fight Outside (Offensive) 2 / 0 0 / 0
Fight Outside (Defensive) 0 / 0 2 / 2
Go for KO 1 / 1 0 / 0
Go All Out for KO 0 / 0 1 / 1
Protect Cut 0 / 0 0 / 0
Take a Round Off 0 / 0 0 / 0


Title Bout Championship Boxing 2.5 - Copyright © 2008 OOTP Developments

[Crease]

Initially looking at this fight, I would heavily favour Floyd to outbox him... Though a Sanders victory is possible if improbable.
On second thought, I really wouldn't bet against Floyd in this one.

[Crease]

Thanks for your contribution on running that fight, Buzz.

[polecateddy]

Corrie Sanders KO1, end of! Lol

[BoxBuzz]

Though I wouldn't neccessarily call round 1, it definitely only ends up KO win for the mediocre Sanders. Too big, too fast handed, and too hard a puncher for the pumped up Patterson to see the final bell.

Possible, but appears to be the minority viewpoint this time 'round.
You seem a sensible enough person, but have a bit in common with some acquaintances that I think highly of.
One of their character traits is that though they are often wrong, they are seldom in doubt. (Not that that trait is the leading reason for my high opinion of them.)

[polecateddy]

A small, weak-chinned champion up agàinst a far bigger puncher (bigger heavyweight too) than he ever in his career. I think it obviously would be a crushing loss! Lol

[BoxBuzz]

Though I wouldn't neccessarily call round 1, it definitely only ends up KO win for the mediocre Sanders. Too big, too fast handed, and too hard a puncher for the pumped up Patterson to see the final bell.

Possible, but appears to be the minority viewpoint this time 'round.
You seem a sensible enough person, but have a bit in common with some acquaintances that I think highly of.
One of their character traits is that though they are often wrong, they are seldom in doubt. (Not that that trait is the leading reason for my high opinion of them.)

Oh please,

I am often wrong, and even sometimes quite often in doubt, but not this time.

As I said even by his mediocre standards ( in his own era ) there is nothing in his resume or his ring MO that makes me see Sanders, possibly losing to someone of Pattersons stature, and capability. Conversely nothing in Pattersons resume makes me think he could live with someone with the size, handspeed, and power of Sanders.

Similarly, I am totally convinced if we take things to a completely different plain, Ray Robinson was a far superior fighter to Ali. However if they fought each other I'd take Ali to win 10 out of 10.

So...yours is the majority opinion? I must have had my math wrong, thanks for the heads up!

[Klee Gluckman]

This can't be serious. Patterson would beat Sanders fairly easy. Do you think Sanders would beat Moorer as well. Comparisons with Liston are nonsense. Liston had much better boxing skills. Patterson was better than Rhaman. Sanders will lose the skill factor here, he wont intimidate Patterson the way Liston did (mind you nor would anyone else). I think Patterson beats Sanders 19 out of 20.

[BoxBuzz]

This can't be serious. Patterson would beat Sanders fairly easy. Do you think Sanders would beat Moorer as well. Comparisons with Liston are nonsense. Liston had much better boxing skills. Patterson was better than Rhaman. Sanders will lose the skill factor here, he wont intimidate Patterson the way Liston did (mind you nor would anyone else). I think Patterson beats Sanders 19 out of 20.

Now see, according to my math...a Patterson win does indeed seem to reflect the majority opinion. Just sayin'

[The Great John L]

Oh please,

I am often wrong, and even sometimes quite often in doubt, but not this time.

As I said even by his mediocre standards ( in his own era ) there is nothing in his resume or his ring MO that makes me see Sanders, possibly losing to someone of Pattersons stature, and capability. Conversely nothing in Pattersons resume makes me think he could live with someone with the size, handspeed, and power of Sanders.

Similarly, I am totally convinced if we take things to a completely different plain, Ray Robinson was a far superior fighter to Ali. However if they fought each other I'd take Ali to win 10 out of 10.

OK, just for laughs, let's list the world class HWs that Sanders beat.

...
Wlad

I guess you could try to sneak Smokin' Bert onto the list, but considering that he had recently lost to the 40+ yo Hercules, it's a fair bet that he wasn't close to world class anymore.

Now lets list the world class HWs that Patterson beat.

Moore
Ingo
Machen
Chuvalo
Ringo

I left out a number of others that I would consider world class just to make this look a little more reasonable, including his draw 3 fights with Quarry and Ellis which could have just as easily have been wins for him.

Yes, Sanders could punch and he had pretty good handspeed, but if you leave out his KO of Wlad, there is nothing else on his resume that even suggests he's worth a mention in any list of notable HWs of the 90's and 00's. Experience does matter, and Floyd clearly showed that did figure out how to survive good punchers, while Sanders never displayed anything in his career other than the ability to land solid shots on Wlads chin.

[The Great John L]

Similarly there is nothing on Sanders resume to make even self delusional Americans think he was ever troubled by a 195lb fighter.

That's because besides his loses and the Wlad upset he doesn't have a resume. JL Garcia was 6-4 and knocked out Ken Norton, but I don't think he could beat Patterson either. He also didn't have a resume outside of his one upset win.

BTW, I don't think there are too many "delusional Americans" on here who would say that Sanders wouldn't have had a chance. Obviously size does matter, Sanders could punch, and Patterson certainly wasn't the most durable HW. However, most rational people recognize that there is a huge difference between a long term world class HW with many wins over the best HWs in the world versus a guy with virtually no accomplishments outside of a single win.

[loaded_gloves]

You have to admire the pathological trollism on display here from certain posters.

"Corrie was never troubled by a 195lb fighter."

Um, Floyd was never troubled by a flabby out of shape 230lb fighter.

Corrie was troubled by a flabby out of shape fighter. In fact, he was laid out clean by one. One who no one at all regards as a puncher.

If he can lose to a flabby out of shape fighter, he can lose to puncher who competes at the peak of physical fitness.

If he can gas against a muslcebound Hasim Rahman, who was notorious for his lack of stamina, he can gas against a man who could outlast physically fit men over 15 torrid rounds.

This is a mismatch.

I'd love someone to explain how Patterson was "pumped up" at his weight? Or was his actual, natural, 'real' weight the weight he turned professional at, at SEVENTEEN YEARS of age? Wow. That would make him utterly unique in the annals of boxing.

But I'm sure our resident fistic scholar can explain everything. Tell us, specifically, how Floyd was 'pumped up' at his adult weight, O boxing genius.

[dempseyfire]

So Patterson is now regarded as a guy who had a world class career fighting some of the best Heavies who ever lived?

Yes.

Fought :
Muhammad Ali (twice)
Sonny Liston (twice)
Ingemar Johansson (thrice)
Eddie Machen
George Chuvalo
Jerry Quarry (twice)
Jimmy Ellis
Oscar Bonavena

Pretty fuckin good list of HWs if you ask me.

Oh snap.

[polecateddy]

How well did Johnny Nelson do against Corrie? Answer... Not very! He's a similar size and far more durable than chinny Floyd. What a silly thread!

[loaded_gloves]

How well did Johnny Nelson do against Corrie? Answer... Not very! He's a similar size and far more durable than chinny Floyd. What a silly thread!

You're seriously comparing a negative, safety first British journeyman who couldn't punch to a world champion heavyweight puncher?

Do you realise how 'silly' and short sighted your post makes you sound?

[loaded_gloves]

I'd love someone to explain how Patterson was "pumped up" at his weight? Or was his actual, natural, 'real' weight the weight he turned professional at, at SEVENTEEN YEARS of age? Wow. That would make him utterly unique in the annals of boxing.

But I'm sure our resident fistic scholar can explain everything. Tell us, specifically, how Floyd was 'pumped up' at his adult weight, O boxing genius.

[polecateddy]

How well did Johnny Nelson do against Corrie? Answer... Not very! He's a similar size and far more durable than chinny Floyd. What a silly thread!

You're seriously comparing a negative, safety first British journeyman who couldn't punch to a world champion heavyweight puncher?

Do you realise how 'silly' and short sighted your post makes you sound?

Watch Nelson v Thompson. Nothing negative there mate. And Floyd got bounced off the canvas nearly every time out. Corrie would have killed him.

[The Great John L]

Hahaha I love delusional Yanks. The above is almost, not quite but almost as fvcking stupid as Marciano would destroy Lewis.

Lewis? Who was talking about him? I think there are quite a few "delusional Yanks", including myself, who could envision Lewis beating Marciano.

I think you've establ;ished that you are either somewhat challenged or a troll.

[polecateddy]

Hahaha I love delusional Yanks. The above is almost, not quite but almost as fvcking stupid as Marciano would destroy Lewis.

Lewis? Who was talking about him? I think there are quite a few "delusional Yanks", including myself, who could envision Lewis beating Marciano.

I think you've establ;ished that you are either somewhat challenged or a troll.

No mate, suggesting Floyd Patterson would beat Corrie Sanders is almost as idiotic.

[The Great John L]

Hahaha I love delusional Yanks. The above is almost, not quite but almost as fvcking stupid as Marciano would destroy Lewis.

Lewis? Who was talking about him? I think there are quite a few "delusional Yanks", including myself, who could envision Lewis beating Marciano.

I think you've establ;ished that you are either somewhat challenged or a troll.

No mate, suggesting Floyd Patterson would beat Corrie Sanders is almost as idiotic.

How about Joe Louis? He was only about 200 and also got dropped more than a few times. Does Corrie also handle him pretty easily?

[polecateddy]

Yeah. I'd only only hesitate in predicting a massacre from say Liston onwards.

[The Great John L]

Yeah. I'd only only hesitate in predicting a massacre from say Liston onwards.

Why Sonny? He was only about 210 and barely 6' tall, only slightly heavier, but shorter, than Louis.

Frazier? less than 6' and about 205, about the same general size as Louis although much shorter.

They both sound like Sniper fodder to me. What do you think?

[Jaywheel]

Tyson wasn't that tall either, and got bounced off the canvas by a CW ffs. Corrie KO 1.