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How much money that Vitali and Bernd Boente will come out and say 'durrrrrrrr we offered Haye a fight for July 6th.' Just like they did with the Haye v Chisora fight.

Didn't they tell haye to fight chisora & winner would get a fight with vitali? There full of shit there scared to fight haye because haye to fresh for vitali now

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the truth wrote:Didn't they tell haye to fight chisora & winner would get a fight with vitali? There full of shit there scared to fight haye because haye to fresh for vitali now

They told Haye and Chisora to fight and they would fight the winner, they were heard saying this out loud at the post fight press conference where Haye and Chisora ended up brawling. Then either just before the fight or afterwards said they had offered Haye the fight instead of Manuel Charr.

jameswilson wrote:

the truth wrote:Didn't they tell haye to fight chisora & winner would get a fight with vitali? There full of shit there scared to fight haye because haye to fresh for vitali now

They told Haye and Chisora to fight and they would fight the winner, they were heard saying this out loud at the post fight press conference where Haye and Chisora ended up brawling. Then either just before the fight or afterwards said they had offered Haye the fight instead of Manuel Charr.

Yep they offered the winner of Haye/Chisora then said Vitali couldn't fight Haye cos he was fighting Chisora

Offering someone a fight and making a genuine offer of a fight are two wildly different things.

Boente and Vitali have come out and said that Haye was sent all the paperwork for a November fight (ie, instead of Charr) but they never heard anything back. What they don't say is that the offer included payment in coat-hangers, a 15-year tie in to fight Vitali and Wlad in rematches and a contract with the same hair-stylist as Herr Boente. It's classic Klitschko and while Haye is no longer in a dominant position when it comes to fight negotiations, he is aware of his value and would appear to have no desire to work for less than he feels he deserves.

danconnollyeire wrote:

jameswilson wrote:

the truth wrote:Didn't they tell haye to fight chisora & winner would get a fight with vitali? There full of shit there scared to fight haye because haye to fresh for vitali now

They told Haye and Chisora to fight and they would fight the winner, they were heard saying this out loud at the post fight press conference where Haye and Chisora ended up brawling. Then either just before the fight or afterwards said they had offered Haye the fight instead of Manuel Charr.

Yep they offered the winner of Haye/Chisora then said Vitali couldn't fight Haye cos he was fighting Chisora

We have found something that even me and Dan can agree on.


Vitali Klitschko and his manager...............are pudenda!

Haye lost a lot of his value with his tepid performance and feeble excuses against Wlad.

If he thinks he is getting a 50/50 split he is deluded

thepocketrocket wrote:Haye lost a lot of his value with his tepid performance and feeble excuses against Wlad.

If he thinks he is getting a 50/50 split he is deluded

Amen to that.

For me, Haye needs an explosive perfoemance ot two.

Tony Thompson would be perfect first up

I don't think Haye's value has dropped that much. He has raised his profile by being on 'I'm a Celebrity', smashing Chisora to peices in a fight that generated world wide attention, and given lots of interviews to German television and newspapers etc. Also, he has the biggest profile out there after the Klitchko's. I get the impression that Vitali and/or his manager's bottle has gone. Also, if Wlad was super confident he would face Haye again and try and go for the KO he wanted and get paid more money than he would get for boxing anyone else.Their silence is quite telling, I think.

Has anyone studied Vitali' and Wladimir's recent opponents? I have not even heard of Wladimir's next opponent.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

danconnollyeire wrote:

Mensa07 wrote:he's not big enough to beat Wlad, IMO.

Like to see Haye/Povetkin tho.

He's the same size as Purrity, Sanders and Brewster and hits harder than all 3

Sanders was taller, fought taller and always weighed more.

Sanders is 6'3', isn't he, same as Haye.

Also, Sanders was career-long obese. He weighed 225lb for Wlad and was waaay overweight, tits and belly. I have a tape of him vs Johnny DuPlooy at around 215 and he was still soft and heavy.

Sanders in absolute peak physical condition would likely be lighter than Haye. And him being fat did not make him a 'better fighter'. Brewster similarly was carrying lots of extra bulk that made his performances very laboured.

Mate watch the slow-mo replays - his tits and belly are jiggling as Wlad falls down.

You are in denial.

Well done for posting a picture where Corrie has near zero definition though.

big lennox wrote:I don't think Haye's value has dropped that much. He has raised his profile by being on 'I'm a Celebrity', smashing Chisora to peices in a fight that generated world wide attention, and given lots of interviews to German television and newspapers etc. Also, he has the biggest profile out there after the Klitchko's. I get the impression that Vitali and/or his manager's bottle has gone. Also, if Wlad was super confident he would face Haye again and try and go for the KO he wanted and get paid more money than he would get for boxing anyone else.Their silence is quite telling, I think.

Has anyone studied Vitali' and Wladimir's recent opponents? I have not even heard of Wladimir's next opponent.

Haye, going into the Wlad fight, was marketed as a beast and possible heir apparent of the division. Eating a few bugs in the jungle doesn't get that back, especially in Germany in the USA.

Vitali is happy as an MP...that isn't ducking, it is called semi-retirement

Andy any hint that you think Wlad is ducking Haye is laughable

Pianeta is well known. And to be fair, he is a warm up for Povetkin (which must take place by August 31st I think)

MachoMan09 wrote:I don't think Haye hits harder than Sanders did.

Quite right.

I wonder what kind of career Corrie would have had if he was more obsessed with fighting in peak physical condition like say a Ken Norton.

How might his Rahman and Vitali fights ended if he wasn't a gassed fat bloke?

The Dark Destroyer wrote:

loaded_gloves wrote:Mate watch the slow-mo replays - his tits and belly are jiggling as Wlad falls down.

You are in denial.

Well done for posting a picture where Corrie has near zero definition though.

You think no definition means he was obese?

He clearly doesn't have tits either.

A man arguing Corrie Sanders wasn't fat. Wow.

Basically the one thing people agreed on throughout his career, those who followed it at the time, from the magazine to the TV announcers, was that Sanders was never in condition.

Whether you use a laughing emoticon or not, or whatever other infantile things make you laugh, he sold himself short with his appalling conditioning.

dondada wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:I don't think Haye hits harder than Sanders did.

Quite right.

You know the score Ian. People are desperate to paint Wlad as a pathetic champ who the lost generation would have turned up drunk or high and rolled over.

Sanders punched like a horse.

Look at that ripped physique. Truly a man who lived to train. His body was a temple.

He definitely was not fat lazy golfer who hit very hard and got by on natural talent.

Whether Corrie was fat or not, he was TALL so naturally in range, and he hit like a bastard.

Haye isn't that tall or physically imposing. Plus Wlad is now much cagier.

Screw the Klit's for a bit, it's good news and I hope he becomes more active and goes for a version of the heavyweight title again.

Appearance means little when it comes to punch power.

We all know that. Tito and McClellan are great examples of streaks of piss, hitting like streaks of lighting.

loaded_gloves wrote: Sanders is 6'3', isn't he, same as Haye.

Also, Sanders was career-long obese. He weighed 225lb for Wlad and was waaay overweight, tits and belly. I have a tape of him vs Johnny DuPlooy at around 215 and he was still soft and heavy.

Sanders in absolute peak physical condition would likely be lighter than Haye. And him being fat did not make him a 'better fighter'. Brewster similarly was carrying lots of extra bulk that made his performances very laboured.

He was an inch taller than Haye and fought 'taller'. Haye arches his back when he fights, Sanders fought with a straighter back.

As far as the weight is concerned, you're talking out of your arse. Sanders is a career heavyweight. Haye is not.

thepocketrocket wrote:

big lennox wrote:I don't think Haye's value has dropped that much. He has raised his profile by being on 'I'm a Celebrity', smashing Chisora to peices in a fight that generated world wide attention, and given lots of interviews to German television and newspapers etc. Also, he has the biggest profile out there after the Klitchko's. I get the impression that Vitali and/or his manager's bottle has gone. Also, if Wlad was super confident he would face Haye again and try and go for the KO he wanted and get paid more money than he would get for boxing anyone else.Their silence is quite telling, I think.

Has anyone studied Vitali' and Wladimir's recent opponents? I have not even heard of Wladimir's next opponent.

Haye, going into the Wlad fight, was marketed as a beast and possible heir apparent of the division. Eating a few bugs in the jungle doesn't get that back, especially in Germany in the USA.

Vitali is happy as an MP...that isn't ducking, it is called semi-retirement

Andy any hint that you think Wlad is ducking Haye is laughable

Pianeta is well known. And to be fair, he is a warm up for Povetkin (which must take place by August 31st I think)

Vitali said he wanted to knock haye out, and to date, he has not agreed the fight. That raises question marks.

Just because Haye was hyped before a fight and it didn't go his way, it doesn't mean he should be endlessly punished for it.

He is the best boxer that Wlad could box out there, and yet he fighting people like a washed up Mormeck (never a heavyweight in his prime) and now having a 'warm up' to the fat Povetkin. It would mean more and be more competitive if he rematched Haye

forcefraser wrote:

mullenman wrote:great news,

the return of britians more entertaing and best boxer

if he fights the way he did against del boy he will knock out anybody on the planet he fights

He would not knock out Wlad. He tried that before and came nowhere near.

He came closer to koing wlad than wlad did him. Since there was only one decent punch in the entire fight and it ended with wlad holding on hurt.