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Alot seemed to have crolla winning this & I can't see how!
Derry was having it pretty easy with crolla running.

billy nelson wrote:

danconnollyeire wrote:No not at all if it was a Burns thread I wouldn't mention Mathews or Crolla so baffled why Burns is mentioned here like mentioning Utd on a Everton/Fulham thread pointless

I was only trying to draw comparisons between the three lads

I'd rather see comparisons between Crolla, Mathews, Walsh and Mitchell and Burns with Broner, Rios, Alvardo but that's unlikely to happen

hurlock wrote:Alot seemed to have crolla winning this & I can't see how!
Derry was having it pretty easy with crolla running.

You call it running i call it out boxing him

An absolute warrior, what a heart the lad has. Couldn't argue with the scores altho haven't watched it back yet and I could've been swayed by the crowd. Don't think I want to see it again tho, think both lads deserve a break then Derry v Gethin & Crolla to drop down.

Personally I thought Derry did enough to win the match but looking at the draw I can't help but feel it was a pretty fair result, I don't believe either fighter have much else to prove or gain in the game as both have found their level and been through many wars.

Am I the only one who doesn't really think a third fight is a fight they'd like to see?

We know Crolla doesn't feel he can stop him and we know Derry isn't getting any younger in the game.

Both men were very respectful of each others strengths last night and it showed coz the fight was tactical fight unlike the first one

I thought derry had it by 2/3 from sheer workrate, not everything was getting through but its rare the judges notice that.

markfightoptions wrote:I thought derry had it by 2/3 from sheer workrate, not everything was getting through but its rare the judges notice that.

there was never 3 rounds in that fight mate,very fair result

It was a fair result though I thought Derry had him by a round or 2. For long periods Crolla was reluctant to try to advance or get much off. Some of his countering was class but for me if Matthews led off, Crolla countered and moved off and then Matthews threw again then Matthews is forcing the bout. I feel that Crolla was hurt in the first third of the bout and it wasn't until he'd been whacked by that big rght and survived that he felt able to put it on Derry. I think Gallagher told him he was behind as he seemed to come out to press for a stoppage. He pulled the last couple of rounds back and is a lovely boxer to watch but for me Derry won.

danconnollyeire wrote:No not at all if it was a Burns thread I wouldn't mention Mathews or Crolla so baffled why Burns is mentioned here like mentioning Utd on a Everton/Fulham thread pointless

Very True and there is no shame in not being at that level either

Crolla needs to move down to Super Feather, Matthews needs to see if he can get revenge of Marsili.... onwards for both now.

Excellent fight both, well done Derry even though that might not be the result you wanted in someways I think it is a carrier best performance.... its one where you proved some doubters wrong. In the past there has been some question marks over how you can cope in a longer close fight - you passed the test.

Marsili is a fight that if the nose holds up - he can win. I still think Crolla is at least EBU level at Super Feather - needs to move down now.

I thought it was a great fight. Very tactical. But thought derry should have got the nod.
They definitely have to do it again. A domestic rivalry is just what is needed.

well done to both lads tough to score derry had the middle rounds and crolla come on strong at the end it could of gone either way so either a 3rd fight or crolla moves back down and maybe derry could have another go at rees or fight mitchell but no-one should be talking about burns here both are domestic/european level and burns is world class.

stujones wrote:Crolla needs to move down to Super Feather, Matthews needs to see if he can get revenge of Marsili.... onwards for both now.

Excellent fight both, well done Derry even though that might not be the result you wanted in someways I think it is a carrier best performance.... its one where you proved some doubters wrong. In the past there has been some question marks over how you can cope in a longer close fight - you passed the test.

Marsili is a fight that if the nose holds up - he can win. I still think Crolla is at least EBU level at Super Feather - needs to move down now.

I agree, although I think Mathews should go after Gethin before Marsili.

Looking his last few fights Crolla will struggle to get to Super Featherweight!? Who could he fight? If he fights any of the top few in Uk he will get stopped.. Proved before he shouldn't fight at Super Feather and it will again..

Marsilli is too strong for Derry IMO he should be looking at a different avenue.. Gettin would be a good fight for him. I think he could win that one. Best fight for both would be Derry fighting Gethin then Crolla fighting Flannagan for Commonwealth title then the winners fight for British and Commenwealth titles

Bleak wrote:

danconnollyeire wrote:No not at all if it was a Burns thread I wouldn't mention Mathews or Crolla so baffled why Burns is mentioned here like mentioning Utd on a Everton/Fulham thread pointless

Very True and there is no shame in not being at that level either

So show respect to the guys at a higher level by not shouting them out simple!

billy nelson wrote:

Bleak wrote:

danconnollyeire wrote:No not at all if it was a Burns thread I wouldn't mention Mathews or Crolla so baffled why Burns is mentioned here like mentioning Utd on a Everton/Fulham thread pointless

Very True and there is no shame in not being at that level either

So show respect to the guys at a higher level by not shouting them out simple!

There is sound logic to that Billy - but respect must be shown if high class boxers face high class boxers. If an area level boxer chooses to box men who are below his level then they cannot get much respect for that. A British Title level boxer must face the same level or will not get respect. Crolla and Matthews get strong respect for facing strong opposition at their level. A boxer at the very highest level must face the highest and strongest opposition to get respect.

If there were 4 boxers claiming to be British Champion and all had a belt then fans would want to see them face each other - not other people wanting to be called 'British Champ'.

billy nelson wrote:

Bleak wrote:

danconnollyeire wrote:No not at all if it was a Burns thread I wouldn't mention Mathews or Crolla so baffled why Burns is mentioned here like mentioning Utd on a Everton/Fulham thread pointless

Very True and there is no shame in not being at that level either

So show respect to the guys at a higher level by not shouting them out simple!

Burns has faced worse as a champion. So what if Baz Carey called Burns out would you comment on a thread of his? Difference is Mathews would defo fight Burns (who's a level above himself) but would burns fight Broner?

danconnollyeire wrote:
Burns has faced worse as a champion. So what if Baz Carey called Burns out would you comment on a thread of his? Difference is Mathews would defo fight Burns (who's a level above himself) but would burns fight Broner?

I think burns would fight broner if the £££ was right

daviddee wrote:Looking his last few fights Crolla will struggle to get to Super Featherweight!? Who could he fight? If he fights any of the top few in Uk he will get stopped.. Proved before he shouldn't fight at Super Feather and it will again..

Marsilli is too strong for Derry IMO he should be looking at a different avenue.. Gettin would be a good fight for him. I think he could win that one. Best fight for both would be Derry fighting Gethin then Crolla fighting Flannagan for Commonwealth title then the winners fight for British and Commenwealth titles

Not sure how Crolla has shown he cannot fight at Super Feather. He was really impressive in besting Andy Morris. He spoke of moving down to feather before he surprise chance against Watson.

I think someone like Truscott would be a good starting point to see if he can make the weight well. He certainly not got the power at lightweight.

Matthews might be over powered against Marsili, but I thought at one stage in their fight that Marsili was on the verge of Wilting. Maybe I'm doing the Italian a disservice.

stujones wrote:

daviddee wrote:Looking his last few fights Crolla will struggle to get to Super Featherweight!? Who could he fight? If he fights any of the top few in Uk he will get stopped.. Proved before he shouldn't fight at Super Feather and it will again..

Marsilli is too strong for Derry IMO he should be looking at a different avenue.. Gettin would be a good fight for him. I think he could win that one. Best fight for both would be Derry fighting Gethin then Crolla fighting Flannagan for Commonwealth title then the winners fight for British and Commenwealth titles

Not sure how Crolla has shown he cannot fight at Super Feather. He was really impressive in besting Andy Morris. He spoke of moving down to feather before he surprise chance against Watson.

I think someone like Truscott would be a good starting point to see if he can make the weight well. He certainly not got the power at lightweight.

Matthews might be over powered against Marsili, but I thought at one stage in their fight that Marsili was on the verge of Wilting. Maybe I'm doing the Italian a disservice.

Andy Morris got the weight wrong for that fight and came in very light if I'm not mistaken.. His body frame looks too big for Super Feather I think Truscott would school him because he lacks the power to hurt him.. He's already lost twice too Sykes.. Simpson, Buckland and Walsh would stop him.. He is best staying where he is In my opinion

daviddee wrote:

stujones wrote:

daviddee wrote:Looking his last few fights Crolla will struggle to get to Super Featherweight!? Who could he fight? If he fights any of the top few in Uk he will get stopped.. Proved before he shouldn't fight at Super Feather and it will again..

Marsilli is too strong for Derry IMO he should be looking at a different avenue.. Gettin would be a good fight for him. I think he could win that one. Best fight for both would be Derry fighting Gethin then Crolla fighting Flannagan for Commonwealth title then the winners fight for British and Commenwealth titles

Not sure how Crolla has shown he cannot fight at Super Feather. He was really impressive in besting Andy Morris. He spoke of moving down to feather before he surprise chance against Watson.

I think someone like Truscott would be a good starting point to see if he can make the weight well. He certainly not got the power at lightweight.

Matthews might be over powered against Marsili, but I thought at one stage in their fight that Marsili was on the verge of Wilting. Maybe I'm doing the Italian a disservice.

Andy Morris got the weight wrong for that fight and came in very light if I'm not mistaken.. His body frame looks too big for Super Feather I think Truscott would school him because he lacks the power to hurt him.. He's already lost twice too Sykes.. Simpson, Buckland and Walsh would stop him.. He is best staying where he is In my opinion

I'm not sure; Crolla, if he can make the weight well would do well at super feather. Losing to Sykes is no issue - Gary is a very good boxer and one of the losses was over 3 rounds. Derry seemed much the stronger and more powerful last Saturday night; against men his own size Anthony would do really well as he has just about everything going for him.

there've been so many good domestic lightweight fights, it reminds you of the light welter battles involving dunne, schwer, shake ayres, and wayne rigby, and also shea neary.

these guys produce action almost whenever they fight. crolla v morris, sykes, watson; mitchell v murray & johanesson; murray v ouazghari; matthews v crolla 1 & 2 & rees...

right now burns is champ but it's been a troubled title reign in the past several months despite superb performances. broner's moved up, the vazquez unification didn't happen and we have to be patient, hopefully watch burns defend his title, steadily, vs quality operators after getting his WBO mandatory out of the way...

we should be pleased for the grassroots battles as well as the world championship fights. not long ago burns struggled big time at this domestic level, yet he overcame it and put on class performances vs martinez, katsidis, moses & mitchell.