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keithmoonhangover wrote:Alvarez beats him.

arlovski wrote:Golovkin hammers him

keithmoonhangover wrote:

zero wrote:Really, Mayweather sets the pace. The problem being if Floyd fights and schools him what next? Amir Khan beats him?

He doesn't set the pace against Alvarez, Canelo will push him hard all the way through the fight. An aging Oscar ran a much younger FMJ pretty close. Floyd is older now and that will start to show.

You force the fight with Mayweather he punishes you Canelo will be no different to the others. To say he wins on points is baffling, the only way Canelo wins is if he catches him with something big and I struggle to see that happening.

arlovski wrote:Golovkin hammers him

Jesus. I really don't know what to say to that. What a laughable post on so many levels.

Anyway back to the post. Floyd won't lose against any of them, forcing some people to finally accept he is that good. No more 'yeah but THIS guy would beat him' after the fighters you were previously talking up have been seen off. He makes elite fighters seem average, which shows he is levels apart.

I would personally want him in against Alvarez next, if only to stop the horrendous hype train I can see coming over the horizon ASAP

DMA1987 wrote: I would personally want him in against Alvarez next, if only to stop the horrendous hype train I can see coming over the horizon ASAP

It's not really a hype train, most people would favour Mayweather in a fight against Alvarez, but if you think there are more competitive match ups out there, then its probably better to just name guys who you think are more deserving of a shot or more likely to ask some new questions of Mayweather..... Or maybe you just think he should be given a 'w' against everyone out there since he's just that good and we all need to accept it. Alvarez Vs Mayweather would be more competitive and much more dangerous than Guerrero was, so in that sense, surely its a good fight?

Personally I'd like to see Alvarez next purely because it is a more dangerous fight than a potential fight with guys like Khan, Alexander or Garcia who are much more likely to get a shot, has nothing to do with hype trains, bandwagons or ignoring how good Mayweather is....

At the moment the only one to beat Mayweather is Mayweather, if he suddenly takes training lightly, but i don't see him doing that anytime soon.

Dead Mouse wrote:Alvarez is a great shout. Time and again we've seen Floyd struggle with bigger guys who advance in straight lines, have no lateral movement, don't have footwork and are easy to hit — he's dropped, like 5-6 decisions against those types of guys. As for creaky southpaws with limited technique who are easy to read and can have their range taken by Shane plus get themselves chinned by Marquez, he's had real problems with those types of dudes in the past.

I honestly think that Katsidis is the man for the job, his ability to walk forward in a straight line while taking punishment sets him apart from the pack.

Mayweather-Katsidis must be made, immediately.

beautiful

keithmoonhangover wrote:

zero wrote:Really, Mayweather sets the pace. The problem being if Floyd fights and schools him what next? Amir Khan beats him?

He doesn't set the pace against Alvarez, Canelo will push him hard all the way through the fight. An aging Oscar ran a much younger FMJ pretty close. Floyd is older now and that will start to show.

#talk to us about Povetkin, you'll sound relatively sane

alverez is the one I think people want to see but I think hes got slow feet and looks like he needs to be set before he fires his combos, top fighter don't get me wrong but with mayweather looking like his legs are back to there sharpest I see him winning pretty wide on points, floyds untouchable imo, one of the best 147lbs ever

CheckHook wrote: It's not really a hype train, most people would favour Mayweather in a fight against Alvarez,

It will become one. You can guarantee by the time of the fight the forums are alight with "50/50" fight, loads had Guerrero being a real test.

CheckHook wrote:since he's just that good and we all need to accept it

People, many on this forum included, do need to accept it. Don't really see where I said he shouldn't take fights though?

CheckHook wrote:Personally I'd like to see Alvarez next purely because it is a more dangerous fight than a potential fight with guys like Khan, Alexander or Garcia who are much more likely to get a shot, has nothing to do with hype trains, bandwagons or ignoring how good Mayweather is....

Why is Alvarez more dangerous than Khan, Garcia or Alexander? I would say that Khan and Alexander would be a tougher test for Mayweather than Alvarez. Alvarez is made for FMJ.

The problem with Floyd (speaking as a fan) is that he doesn't take big risks.

He was the main reason the Pac fight was never made.

He cherry picked his opponents.

When Margarito was feared, Floyd didn't go near him. Same with Pac. He also could have fought Paul Williams or Martinez but didn't want any of either of them.

At least Pac took on more challenges. Mayweather does not. Mayweather could easily fight as a middleweight - if he wanted the challenge. But he seems content to dominate at his weight, which is fair enough - he's getting paid well and doesn't need to risk his health.

Nobody was calling for the likes of Calzaghe to go up to Cruiser. But for me, the best remembered guys will always be those who seek out the biggest challenges. It's part of why I favour Froch over Calzaghe as a fighter, even though I think Joe would have beaten him. A fighter who puts his legacy ahead of his health is what will always draw the most fans. We all want to see warriors, even though it puts long term health at risk. Floyd is too clever to fall for that sort of peer pressure when his bank account tells him he doesn't need to.

Reading about De La Hoya the other day - now he was a guy who always wanted to fight the best. Hopkins does likewise (well at least post his middleweight reign). Both those fighters kept taking on bigger challenges despite critics saying they were out of their depth.

If I was Floyds son/partner/father/friend the best advice I could give him would be to keep doing what he's doing. PPV figures will prove they're not tuning out yet.

Old bones Ian wrote:At the moment the only one to beat Mayweather is Mayweather, if he suddenly takes training lightly, but i don't see him doing that anytime soon.

I like this, and it's very true.

Dead Mouse wrote:Brandon Rios would piss a decision win over Mayweather. How and why? He just would.

don't knock it. Rios TKO by way of suckerpunching Floyd's hands with his head is at least as fookin barmy as some of the bonkersness on this thread (and yes, Keith, I'm looking at you... wibble wibble)

Dead Mouse wrote:

johnswan1 wrote:he seems content to dominate at his weight.

Hagler was the same, the big, bald shithouse.

He should meet Martinez at a catch weight .

Butterbean could beat him.

Na really, I can't see anyone beating him, Manny was the closest and he has went backwards.

DMA1987 wrote:[

CheckHook wrote:Personally I'd like to see Alvarez next purely because it is a more dangerous fight than a potential fight with guys like Khan, Alexander or Garcia who are much more likely to get a shot, has nothing to do with hype trains, bandwagons or ignoring how good Mayweather is....

Why is Alvarez more dangerous than Khan, Garcia or Alexander? I would say that Khan and Alexander would be a tougher test for Mayweather than Alvarez. Alvarez is made for FMJ.

Khan would eat sharp right hands every time he mounted an attack and be KO'd inside 6.

Alexander would eat hard shots and stay on the back foot losing every round in an incredibly boring distance fight.

Garcia is more one dimensional, slower, less accurate, fires off less combination punches and is about 20lb's lighter than Alvarez.....

That pretty much sums up why I think Alvarez is more dangerous than those guys..... I'd be shocked if many agreed with you that Khan or Alexander were tougher tests for FMJ than Alvarez.

no one will beat mayweather he is too quick too precise with his shots,his reflexes are still shit hot at the age of 36. i did think guerrero would test him but how wrong i was

kamicazze wrote:Alvarez feet are too slow
Bradley too basic
Marquez same as before
Pacquiao struggles with counter punchers
Martinez at 154, martinez looked old and has technical flaws
Khan has the speed to trouble him but defensive frailties and fragile chin would leave him sleeping.

why put Khan in that list

Who would you beat your house on getting the win other than say Andre Ward. I mean literally bet your house on!

keithmoonhangover wrote:

zero wrote:Really, Mayweather sets the pace. The problem being if Floyd fights and schools him what next? Amir Khan beats him?

He doesn't set the pace against Alvarez, Canelo will push him hard all the way through the fight. An aging Oscar ran a much younger FMJ pretty close. Floyd is older now and that will start to show.

Canelo fights in spurts.

Floyd is much smarter than now then when he fought Oscar, and he was smart then.

Floyd wins 118-110.

Floyd can actually punch hard enough to deter Canelo and he has a good chin ( never been down) - he is one tough man, don't be fooled by his skills, the boy can 'fight' when he needs to, can Canelo?

johnswan1 wrote:The problem with Floyd (speaking as a fan) is that he doesn't take big risks.

He was the main reason the Pac fight was never made.

He cherry picked his opponents.

When Margarito was feared, Floyd didn't go near him. Same with Pac. He also could have fought Paul Williams or Martinez but didn't want any of either of them.

At least Pac took on more challenges. Mayweather does not. Mayweather could easily fight as a middleweight - if he wanted the challenge. But he seems content to dominate at his weight, which is fair enough - he's getting paid well and doesn't need to risk his health.

Nobody was calling for the likes of Calzaghe to go up to Cruiser. But for me, the best remembered guys will always be those who seek out the biggest challenges. It's part of why I favour Froch over Calzaghe as a fighter, even though I think Joe would have beaten him. A fighter who puts his legacy ahead of his health is what will always draw the most fans. We all want to see warriors, even though it puts long term health at risk. Floyd is too clever to fall for that sort of peer pressure when his bank account tells him he doesn't need to.

Reading about De La Hoya the other day - now he was a guy who always wanted to fight the best. Hopkins does likewise (well at least post his middleweight reign). Both those fighters kept taking on bigger challenges despite critics saying they were out of their depth.

If I was Floyds son/partner/father/friend the best advice I could give him would be to keep doing what he's doing. PPV figures will prove they're not tuning out yet.

Good post.

I think the chances of him fighting someone dangerous are even less now that he's 36. Guerrero is a good fighter but he's not a puncher he was easily handled. At this stage of his career who can really blame the guy for picking easier fights. But who knows he may yet surprise us.

CheckHook wrote: That pretty much sums up why I think Alvarez is more dangerous than those guys..... I'd be shocked if many agreed with you that Khan or Alexander were tougher tests for FMJ than Alvarez.

Well it doesn't really, it doesn't at all mention how/why Alvarez is the guy, just why others aren't. Just so I know, will be be Alvarez' hand speed or movement which stops him taking those hard shots? Because as that is the reason the others have less chance than Canelo, I assume you don't think he takes any? How is he going to hit FMJ?

And I don't think Khan or Alexander come close to beating Mayweather, or that they are better fighters than Canelo, just that they would give Mayweather a tougher test.

DMA1987 wrote:

CheckHook wrote: That pretty much sums up why I think Alvarez is more dangerous than those guys..... I'd be shocked if many agreed with you that Khan or Alexander were tougher tests for FMJ than Alvarez.

Well it doesn't really, it doesn't at all mention how/why Alvarez is the guy, just why others aren't. Just so I know, will be be Alvarez' hand speed or movement which stops him taking those hard shots? Because as that is the reason the others have less chance than Canelo, I assume you don't think he takes any? How is he going to hit FMJ?

And I don't think Khan or Alexander come close to beating Mayweather, or that they are better fighters than Canelo, just that they would give Mayweather a tougher test.

Cotto had a fair amount of success against Floyd, and he's slower of hand and foot and not as physically strong as Canelo.

Cotto gambled, knew he was gonna take hard right hands on the way in but continually backed Floyd up against the ropes, threw in 3's and 4's, and finished on the straight left, which Floyd ate time and time again.
Mayweather is an incredible athlete but relies on reflexes, he's nowhere near as cute on the inside as he's made out (good but not a Locche, Duran or even a Toney), it's just no one can keep him there for a sustained period.
It would take someone with guts, youth, conditioning, strength to do it, put him in those positions with a decent combination puncher, give him angles to stop him spinning off, finish on the left hand as he's pulling away and leaning back against the ropes.

The only fighters around his weight that i reckon could make him uncomfortable are Canelo and Golovkin.

It's all conjecture and i'm probably talking bollocks and dreaming of a way he can be toppled, but the pedicure having, zebra print sporting, woman beating, naff goatee wearing c*nt needs a hiding, and i'm praying someone does it soon

assassin wrote:

DMA1987 wrote:

CheckHook wrote: That pretty much sums up why I think Alvarez is more dangerous than those guys..... I'd be shocked if many agreed with you that Khan or Alexander were tougher tests for FMJ than Alvarez.

Well it doesn't really, it doesn't at all mention how/why Alvarez is the guy, just why others aren't. Just so I know, will be be Alvarez' hand speed or movement which stops him taking those hard shots? Because as that is the reason the others have less chance than Canelo, I assume you don't think he takes any? How is he going to hit FMJ?

And I don't think Khan or Alexander come close to beating Mayweather, or that they are better fighters than Canelo, just that they would give Mayweather a tougher test.

Cotto had a fair amount of success against Floyd, and he's slower of hand and foot and not as physically strong as Canelo.

Cotto gambled, knew he was gonna take hard right hands on the way in but continually backed Floyd up against the ropes, threw in 3's and 4's, and finished on the straight left, which Floyd ate time and time again.
Mayweather is an incredible athlete but relies on reflexes, he's nowhere near as cute on the inside as he's made out (good but not a Locche, Duran or even a Toney), it's just no one can keep him there for a sustained period.
It would take someone with guts, youth, conditioning, strength to do it, put him in those positions with a decent combination puncher, give him angles to stop him spinning off, finish on the left hand as he's pulling away and leaning back against the ropes.

The only fighters around his weight that i reckon could make him uncomfortable are Canelo and Golovkin.

It's all conjecture and i'm probably talking bollocks and dreaming of a way he can be toppled, but the pedicure having, zebra print sporting, woman beating, naff goatee wearing c*nt needs a hiding, and i'm praying someone does it soon

I appreciate your points assassin.

It depends whether or not you think Floyd was on his game that night, and whether you think that moving back to May weather SR will fix the defensive problems he had in that fight.

After all Guerrero is a pressure fighter and couldn't hit Floyd. His percentages were awful actually.

I think a lot of it is people dreaming up ways for him to lose rather than having an unbiased look at it. People tend to make a case for a fighter, and then suddenly fall in love with it. Not you in particular, and I appreciate the points you laid out.