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warriorbox wrote:

columbo wrote:whilst we dont all agree on who is at fault and so forth I think we can all agree that is a tragic state of affairs though right?

Sorry not me. Over the past 30 years the guy has managed to plough through over a reported $350,000,000! Whether that is through bad investments, giving it away to a church, paying off ex-wives or upkeep for his children is irrelevant imo. Many others coming from the same start in life are brilliant investors and very wise with their money, on account of them understanding what it is like to not have any.

He lived a quiet life away from having a hoard of sports cars and expensive jewellery (or whatever it says to that effect) - no he didn't - his house was a 54,000 sq feet mansion with swimming pool and god knows what else - see pics here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing ... olumn.html

The final auction showed 2 nice motors, with a final auction price of over $30k, that doesn't include the cars he sold whilst trying to meet payments. There was also thousands of dollars worth of jewellery, expensive furniture, etc., etc. From what I've seen he was taken to court to pay for his kids because he wasn't actually paying anything.

Far be it from me to tell someone how to spend or invest their money, but I won't feel bad for someone that blows the kind of money he has through frivolous spending.

Auction results for those interested: http://www.juliensauctions.com/auctions ... sults.html

Sorry not a popular view I know, but I find it annoying we are led to feel sorry for these multi-millionaires who have lost the lot, sportsman or not.

columbo wrote:

warriorbox wrote:

columbo wrote:whilst we dont all agree on who is at fault and so forth I think we can all agree that is a tragic state of affairs though right?

Sorry not me. Over the past 30 years the guy has managed to plough through over a reported $350,000,000! Whether that is through bad investments, giving it away to a church, paying off ex-wives or upkeep for his children is irrelevant imo. Many others coming from the same start in life are brilliant investors and very wise with their money, on account of them understanding what it is like to not have any.

He lived a quiet life away from having a hoard of sports cars and expensive jewellery (or whatever it says to that effect) - no he didn't - his house was a 54,000 sq feet mansion with swimming pool and god knows what else - see pics here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing ... olumn.html

The final auction showed 2 nice motors, with a final auction price of over $30k, that doesn't include the cars he sold whilst trying to meet payments. There was also thousands of dollars worth of jewellery, expensive furniture, etc., etc. From what I've seen he was taken to court to pay for his kids because he wasn't actually paying anything.

Far be it from me to tell someone how to spend or invest their money, but I won't feel bad for someone that blows the kind of money he has through frivolous spending.

Auction results for those interested: http://www.juliensauctions.com/auctions ... sults.html

Sorry not a popular view I know, but I find it annoying we are led to feel sorry for these multi-millionaires who have lost the lot, sportsman or not.

No i can understand your point of view to be fair. I didnt mean to defend him blowing the money, i just think its sad that a guy that has made that amount of money has some how managed to completely piss it up the wall and is now living in a condo! Its more the fact that he's in his 50's and still having to fight because of that, that I find sad.

warriorbox wrote:

Ratchet Exits Nu wrote:

loaded_gloves wrote:So far it sounds like not one single one of you has actually read the interview.

This.

Why? Because anyone dares mention the fact that a man who has earned so much in a quarter of a lifetime has spent more than you should in 5-10 lifetimes? It's alright him blaming other people, and this article is obviously supposed to be pro-Holyfield, but get real, his name has been linked to PEDs too many times, with constant denials from Holyfield himself, for me to think he is Mr Honesty with these stories, not to mention rumours of domestic abuse.
He obviously isn't flat broke, and likely never will be, so good luck to him, but I'm not going to feel sorry for him.
And I like Holyfield the boxer.

http://www.BS.com/hall-famer-t ... deal--7753

ShadrachSimmo wrote:6 mothers and 12 children are gonna rape you for cash no matter who you are. Esp if they are also from a poor background.

reggaereggae wrote:

ShadrachSimmo wrote:6 mothers and 12 children are gonna rape you for cash no matter who you are. Esp if they are also from a poor background.

Really? What a self indulgent, irresponsible man and a hypocrite. And also, to all those taking Holy's side; ask anyone involved in the business about his extensive PED abuse, in other words cheating in a life threatening sport. Yes, Evander has a terrific will to win and courage beyond call of duty, but that doesn't mean he isn't a bad person

reggaereggae wrote: Really? What a self indulgent, irresponsible man and a hypocrite. And also, to all those taking Holy's side; ask anyone involved in the business about his extensive PED abuse, in other words cheating in a life threatening sport. Yes, Evander has a terrific will to win and courage beyond call of duty, but that doesn't mean he isn't a bad person

loaded_gloves wrote:That was a tabloid-like online article, from the same website that brought us 'Evander Holyfield has balls the size of peanuts' as a serious news story.

It's amazing that such a tawdry and disreputable article has lingered on so long, given what happened in reality to Shane Mosley, Roy Jones, James Toney, Frans Botha, Sam Soliman etc etc etc.

warriorbox wrote:

loaded_gloves wrote:That was a tabloid-like online article, from the same website that brought us 'Evander Holyfield has balls the size of peanuts' as a serious news story.

It's amazing that such a tawdry and disreputable article has lingered on so long, given what happened in reality to Shane Mosley, Roy Jones, James Toney, Frans Botha, Sam Soliman etc etc etc.

I can't help but think you are a bit blinded by your admiration of what a warrior Holyfield was in the ring. This article is from ESPN and also highlights Sports Illustrated as an additional source http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2782741

As far as I'm concerned Holyfields name being linked to those two pharmacies and his insistence he will 'run his own investigation and clear his name' but never actually doing so, is proof enough for me. Too many stories over too many years for it to have no truth at all.

Ratchet Exits Nu wrote:

warriorbox wrote:

loaded_gloves wrote:That was a tabloid-like online article, from the same website that brought us 'Evander Holyfield has balls the size of peanuts' as a serious news story.

It's amazing that such a tawdry and disreputable article has lingered on so long, given what happened in reality to Shane Mosley, Roy Jones, James Toney, Frans Botha, Sam Soliman etc etc etc.

I can't help but think you are a bit blinded by your admiration of what a warrior Holyfield was in the ring. This article is from ESPN and also highlights Sports Illustrated as an additional source http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2782741

As far as I'm concerned Holyfields name being linked to those two pharmacies and his insistence he will 'run his own investigation and clear his name' but never actually doing so, is proof enough for me. Too many stories over too many years for it to have no truth at all.

Too man y stories but no real investigation by anyone, this was not a BALCO type thing, its all hearsay and no governing body has enforced any ban suspension for drug offences.

Sad the way his money went.

warriorbox wrote: Sad how professional athletes / sportspeople can cheat the drug testing. Lance Armstrong comes to mind. It's hearsay if you are choosing not to believe it but those that run the pharmacies are now doing hard time, and Holyfields name was directly linked to their operation.

dookus wrote:Reading this reminds me why, growing up, my mother was quite tolerant of the booze and weed but would start reading me the riot act on contraception the instant any girls floated into the picture. "If you knock up some tart, Dookus, I'll effing kill you," I believe it was.

Old bones Ian wrote:

columbo wrote:whilst we dont all agree on who is at fault and so forth I think we can all agree that is a tragic state of affairs though right?

Not so tragic if you were his builder

loaded_gloves wrote:

reggaereggae wrote: Really? What a self indulgent, irresponsible man and a hypocrite. And also, to all those taking Holy's side; ask anyone involved in the business about his extensive PED abuse, in other words cheating in a life threatening sport. Yes, Evander has a terrific will to win and courage beyond call of duty, but that doesn't mean he isn't a bad person

Ask anyone involved in the business? Oh please.

Who? Give us some names?

Who do you know? This is all heresay and rumour. You sound like you believe in conspiracy theories and whatever moronic unsubstantiated misinformed babble you read on youtube.

You are responsible for what you write on a public forum, do you know that? Worth thinking about when you accuse people of using PEDs.

Ste Hawkins wrote:It makes you realise just how switched on Gene Tunney was back in the day but moreso the ATG Harry Wills. He died a wealthy man yet was a black boxer throughout the 1920's with no formal education. As amazing outside the ring as he was in it!

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:

Ste Hawkins wrote:It makes you realise just how switched on Gene Tunney was back in the day but moreso the ATG Harry Wills. He died a wealthy man yet was a black boxer throughout the 1920's with no formal education. As amazing outside the ring as he was in it!

nice post, I might have to look this guy up... .....perhaps there are more sharks around now than back then but yeah, for a fella to keep hold of his cash and faculties back then sounds unlikely, and a black man probably moreso - although don't ask me to articulate an accurate reason for the last part as I can't

I remember seeing the cameras going into Holyfield's home on TV/ maybe even the Boxing News. It was massive and marble everywhere - quite the picture of success story. This sounds like the self-same property. There's probably a very good lesson to be learned in there for everybody about living within your means.

Ratchet Exits Nu wrote:

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:

Ste Hawkins wrote:It makes you realise just how switched on Gene Tunney was back in the day but moreso the ATG Harry Wills. He died a wealthy man yet was a black boxer throughout the 1920's with no formal education. As amazing outside the ring as he was in it!

nice post, I might have to look this guy up... .....perhaps there are more sharks around now than back then but yeah, for a fella to keep hold of his cash and faculties back then sounds unlikely, and a black man probably moreso - although don't ask me to articulate an accurate reason for the last part as I can't

I remember seeing the cameras going into Holyfield's home on TV/ maybe even the Boxing News. It was massive and marble everywhere - quite the picture of success story. This sounds like the self-same property. There's probably a very good lesson to be learned in there for everybody about living within your means.

If Holyfield had just paid off his mortgage with one of his fights then he would be ok.

Some scummy financial advisor told him to use a scheme to pay off the loan and keep his capital, what he really meant was 'let me get a huge commission cheque every month and eff you, Holyfield!

I read it was a $12M home and Evander earned $64M in one a particular year.

warriorbox wrote:

columbo wrote:whilst we dont all agree on who is at fault and so forth I think we can all agree that is a tragic state of affairs though right?

Sorry not me. Over the past 30 years the guy has managed to plough through over a reported $350,000,000! Whether that is through bad investments, giving it away to a church, paying off ex-wives or upkeep for his children is irrelevant imo. Many others coming from the same start in life are brilliant investors and very wise with their money, on account of them understanding what it is like to not have any.

He lived a quiet life away from having a hoard of sports cars and expensive jewellery (or whatever it says to that effect) - no he didn't - his house was a 54,000 sq feet mansion with swimming pool and god knows what else - see pics here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing ... olumn.html

The final auction showed 3 nice motors, with a final auction price of around $70k, that doesn't include the cars he sold whilst trying to meet payments. There was also thousands of dollars worth of jewellery, expensive furniture, etc., etc. From what I've seen he was taken to court to pay for his kids because he wasn't actually paying anything.

Far be it from me to tell someone how to spend or invest their money, but I won't feel bad for someone that blows the kind of money he has through frivolous spending.

Auction results for those interested: http://www.juliensauctions.com/auctions ... sults.html

Sorry not a popular view I know, but I find it annoying we are led to feel sorry for these multi-millionaires who have lost the lot, sportsman or not.