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iamasadlittleboy wrote:

jizzle wrote:

earsjohn wrote: As for accusations of gutlessness towards Gonzales, I find it abhorrent that a bunch of beer swilling, keyboard junkies can question the fortitude of a man who steps off a plane into a crowd of 5,000 glaswegians screaming for their hero, proceeds to box him silly for 6 rounds, goes to war giving and taking some hefty shots in the 7th breaking his hand in the process, fights on for a couple more rounds in obvious pain and exhaustion before assessing that he has given all he has to give. You can say that he may not have the heart of a Gatti or a Jamie Moore, but to call him gutless is pathetic internet twattery of the lowest order.

Personally I agree with you but other boxers are calling him the same...Calzaghe, Kevin Mitchell and Paul Smith Jnr

TBH kettle meet pot. Mitchell made excuses for his losses, Smith couldn't cop it at fringe Euro level (then made excuses) and Calzaghe pulled out of that many fights with training injuries that he can hardly talk despite his achievements.

Tony Bellew said something like he had it a shut out to Burns...

Hmmm.

iamasadlittleboy wrote:" Don 't know if it 's just me but Burns has won
every round for me so far ! He 's simply doing
more than Gonzalez ! You can't win rounds
dodging!"

From Bombers Twitter, not sure when he said it but was there ever a time in the fight where that was accurate...

earsjohn wrote:I don't buy into all this "lucky" nonsense.

A fight is over 12 rounds and boxing someone to exhaustion and the point at which they can take no more is a legitimate way to win a fight. The scorecards at the time of a stoppage are only taken into account for technical decisions (injuries, etc) and not for when a fighter chooses not to continue. OK, so a guy saying "no more" is less satisfying a conclusion than him being sparked out and failing to stand by 10, but it is still a fully legitimate, fair and deserving way to win a fight. It's somewhat akin to Lewis v Vitali, where Vitali was up on the cards but Lewis was slicing his face apart and forcing a decision on a stoppage before the cards could be taken into account.

As for accusations of gutlessness towards Gonzales, I find it abhorrent that a bunch of beer swilling, keyboard junkies can question the fortitude of a man who steps off a plane into a crowd of 5,000 glaswegians screaming for their hero, proceeds to box him silly for 6 rounds, goes to war giving and taking some hefty shots in the 7th breaking his hand in the process, fights on for a couple more rounds in obvious pain and exhaustion before assessing that he has given all he has to give. You can say that he may not have the heart of a Gatti or a Jamie Moore, but to call him gutless is pathetic internet twattery of the lowest order.

Dead Mouse wrote:

desperados wrote:it's easy to criticize a man's heart when your sitting on your ass. I don't believe for a second Jose was gassed, you can tell when a guy is gassed from a cardio perspective, he wasn't even breathing heavily between rounds 7/8 and 8/9 and he did so little in those rounds he would have recovered to an extent if he indeed was gassed.

It would be good to get an update, because i'm convinced the injury was the sole cause to him quitting. I don't buy the argument 'fight the last 1/4 of the fight against a world champion with 1 hand' nonsense - fighting with 2 hands is hard enough. I don't think for a second Vitali Klitschko regrets giving it up against Byrd, he mad a rationale decision that could have saved his career.

Loads of fighters have carried on with one hand or in some cases one good arm. Ali fought Norton with a jaw injury. Some fighters opt out, many stay in the fight.

Dead Mouse wrote:He said that, but he wouldn't have quit and it was unlikely that he'd have had someone nip into the corner and diagnose him. Gonzalez quit, pure and simple, when many fighters would have found a way, he'll never become a world champion, in my opinion.

Dead Mouse wrote:

desperados wrote:

Dead Mouse wrote:He said that, but he wouldn't have quit and it was unlikely that he'd have had someone nip into the corner and diagnose him. Gonzalez quit, pure and simple, when many fighters would have found a way, he'll never become a world champion, in my opinion.

Ofcourse he will be a world champion.

Based on doing well early then losing his first world title fight? He may pick up a trinket, but he'll never hit the top of his division.