Can someone on send this to the 3 judges in the b/sbw fight

[Da Voice]

Do yourself a favour & give up gambling

[buster007]

why should he do that?

[Like a Boss]

No! There was nothing to investigate

You are fvcking joking, right?

[Da Voice]

TABs, bookies & punters should stick to world title fights i.e. WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO, IBO, where it's quite clear they are contested over 12. Anything else is uncertain until fight starts....sometimes they are over 12 other times 10.
e.g On this show http://boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=666335 Wood/Kalakoda & Garlett/Taliwe were scheduled over 10 and on this show http://boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=668505 King vs King was scheduled over 12

[franklawton]

For Da Voice

There are many things wrong with you statement that TAB etc should stick to world fights but he most relevent to my issue is
1. the organisers of any event have a responsiblity to inform the "public' and here I include betting agncies, pay per view telvison and people that bought fight tickets what they are going to get not what they might get. So shame on the WBA, ANBF Queensland, the promoter etc for not knowing or knowing and not telling.
2. the TAB here was nervous about the number of rounds orginally as Williams fights had bben shortened before and dod I understand ask ( i assume WBA etc). They got no reply ( nor any reply after the event). But one of the factors that kept them selling 12 round bets and not voiding the fight befor it started was
1. the local association was not making any stement contradcitign the generl belief it was 12 ( as above they did not know but should have as they prseuabmly were getting paid by someoen for the time and effort of the jusges etc)
2.the Williams interview at the sign in. When asked would Botha last he said yes he would be able to go the 12 rounds. ( as above he knew but was not telling - in fact worse supporting the 12 round belief

I have no love for the the TAB but can see how with little information to go on crucial bits have huge importance. Williams at that point knew it was only 10. he did not retract his statement nor did his promoter correct it.


Finally not sure what the rules are in Australiab but the TAB in order to sell bets on a sports type has to give money back to the sport to help development ( usually youth stuff). It is not in the sports interests to tell the TAB to offer less bets.

Regards
Frank

[Da Voice]

It's betting agencies & bookies responsibility to seek confirmation from title governing body & local commission in the event of non-title bout. Relaying on media reports & Boxrec is asking for trouble.

[franklawton]

Hi Da Voice

I have read back through all your postings on this topic and it seems you are a big defender of the ABNF Queensland in particular..
It seems you think they have nothing to answer for.

Well even on this sub issue of notification your view does not even tie up with the ANBF themselves.

You say

quote
It's betting agencies & bookies responsibility to seek confirmation from title governing body & local commission in the event of non-title bout. Relaying on media reports & Boxrec is asking for trouble.
unquote

The local association say ( quoting from their letter to the NZTAB)

quote
… he (Khoder) has let himself down by not advising the media outlets, particularly the betting agencies that is was a 10 round contest as the promoter handles all publicity for his promotion.

However that now is his problem and not anything to do with the WBA or ANBF Queensland Inc.

Yours faithfully

J C Young
Secretary/Treasurer
unquote

So by inference the local association says we have no responsibility here. Its the promoter the TAB should ask for the correct numbers of rounds. So why do you say the TAB should have contacted the local association when they say that they are not the body that is the “official’ word - incredibly that has been left to Khoder.

I remind you that even if the TAB had contacted the association ( and I agree with you they should have been the one of the “official’ voices ) it would seem that if the judges it appointed to judge the fight did not know it was 10 rounds the association must have believed it was 12 too.

In that context ( and I am the last to support the TAB) I see they would not have got the right answer from the local association had they asked them.

More widely the local association needs to have some independent person report back on all its processes and practices so they are improved. If it does not and continues on that it has done nothing wrong and its all nasty Mr. Khoders fault, then serious doubts remain about its credibility.

They do not deserve your loyalty.

.

[Da Voice]

Same situation could've occurred elsewhere in Australia. Providing the bout doesn't exceed 12 rounds, regulators couldn't care less if some so called world or regional titles are contested over 9,10, 11 or 12. Neither do title governing bodies....they leave that to promoter & fighters. They're only interested in sanction $$$$$.
If must bet then do so safely. Only place your hard earned on fights where duration can't be increased or decreased at any stage.

[franklawton]

Hi

I am sorry but did your earlier post not say the likes of the TAB should contact the local association to get the correct info? Now in your latest post you are saying they ( ie local associations) could not care less about these type of fights and its all decided by the promoters?
you cannot have it both ways.

as mentioned earlier I still cannot see how a local association can take on a fight where it puts reputation of its judges at risk because it did not get something definitive from whomever they should have about key event details like fight length. If Khoder had been given all the power he obviously got given by the WBA why did the association not check with him. Surely they must have had contact with him on several occasions to discuss various operational matters?

Associations must also know a WBA supervisor must be present - a requirement that I understand is needed no matter the number of rounds. Did alarm bells not ring in the lead up and again on the night when getting setup that no WBA supervisor was around. I know it is not their job to appoint one but not having oe means the group of officials (referee, judges and supervisor) is not complete which means there is an indirect knock effect of credibility of the people it does appoint.

[Da Voice]

I think you misunderstood my comment. I said TAB/Bookies should contact local regulating body in the event of non-title bout, and then it will only confirm & not guarantee scheduled rounds.
In most States in Oz, Regional bodies are disallowed appointing their junket boys...they must use local officials or registered as such in that State. But, may appoint a supervisor, providing promoter agrees to cover the cost. Khoder was obviously not prepared to do so, given they only sit ringside & present the belt.......hence no supervisor.

Yes! No doubt local fight supervisor John Hogg had been in touch with Khoder on numerous occasion over different matters, but has no power on behalf of ANBF Qld Inc to insist the bouts go ahead as scheduled.

[franklawton]

Hi Da Voice

take a step back and listen to this

it is an interview with Khoder.

http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Khoder-Nasse ... fault.aspx


in it he claims

1. despite being the fight promoter he says he cannot be blamed for people like betting agencies, TV etc being "ignorant'. he says they could have gone ot hte WBA website and would have seen 10 rounds bouts had been approved for fights like this before.
It is about as bizarre as you can get. ignore he as the promoter and Williams lead all to believe it was 12 when I look at the website I see both 10 and 12 rounds have been carried out. So even if they had gone to the site it would not have been clear this fight it was 10 without him saying so.

2. But more importantly for our discussion about the association he goes on to say that the judges and Hogg knew before the fight it was 10.
That is why the assoction needs an independent to look into this.

(a) if Khoder is lying ie the judges did not know then the asscation should protect it self and make a statement supporting the judges. they do not need to use the word "liar' just incorrect. By not doing so they are leaving their judges out in the cold.

and

(B) conversely if he is telling the truth then why did the association write a letter to the NZ TAB they only found out after when the the local WBA rep contacted the WBA.

A 'do nothing' is not an option for the association as it is mired in this whther it like it or not. By doing nothing I can have no confience in them as an association. Nor should anyone else

[buster007]

what did the ring announcer say before they fought?

10 or 12?

[franklawton]

Hi buster007

I am honestly not sure. But I assume he either said no number or 12 simply because if he had said 10 at the beginning there would have been comment about it by commentators. The shock only came in round 10 when it suddenly it become the last round.

[buster007]

the crowd believed there was 12. that's why they booed heaps.

I bet he announced 12 rounds, cause I can't believe that nobody heard him.

[N2 Shape]

Slightly off topic, but is anyone curious as to why the Parker/Botha fight is only scheduled for 8 rounds? I understand Parke rhas only ever gone 6 rounds once and they might be hesitant to jump straight to 10 rounds against an experienced old fox like Botha especially as he showed he can last the distance and had SBW in trouble late in the fight.

Having said all that its a PPV event......and Parker SHOULD beat Botha with superior handspeed and given he has had a strong amateur background you'd expect he'll be able to outbox him easier than SBW did for the first 7/8 rounds. My only concern for Parker is hes still a boy in that SBw was able to wrestle and stand up to Bothas manhandling tactics given his size and strength which Parker wont have (strength of SBW that is) so we may see him getting bullied around