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You know what Larry O situation reminds me off at the moment, When cyclist David Millar came back from his suspension in 2006.

Alot of people did'nt want him back in his own sport, but he had released the mistake he had made and wanted to make the difference, which he has through action. He is joint owner of the Garmin Sharp pro team, Garmin pioneered the Bio Passports in cycling years before the UCI govering body adopting them. He is a committee member of WADA, he did'nt just talk, he took action and fought for a cleaner sport.

Read his book - Riding through the Darkness. Fantastic read.

This is the type of figure we need in boxing. Larry, can you do this??

ra2006 wrote:You know what Larry O situation reminds me off at the moment, When cyclist David Millar came back from his suspension in 2006.

Alot of people did'nt want him back in his own sport, but he had released the mistake he had made and wanted to make the difference, which he has through action. He is joint owner of the Garmin Sharp pro team, Garmin pioneered the Bio Passports in cycling years before the UCI govering body adopting them. He is a committee member of WADA, he did'nt just talk, he took action and fought for a cleaner sport.

Read his book - Riding through the Darkness. Fantastic read.

This is the type of figure we need in boxing. Larry, can you do this??

Yeah, problem I have with it though is that David Millar couldn't seriously injure someone with his cheating. Every single fight Larry has had, he's been cheating. David was quite established before he started to cheat, so he could possibly see the need to have that boost.

Plus, when Larry was posting on here after being caught he didn't seem to be particularly apologetic or guilty of the damage he could have done, just spoke of not being the only one. The impression I got was the only regrets and guilt he had was getting caught.... had he not got caught he would have continued (that's just the impression I got). When people asked him about the damage he was doing to his own body he seemed adamant that he knew what he was doing. As I said perhaps Millar could see how others had benefited from PED or could see that he needed to go down that route to be a true contender in the big events, Larry doesn't know how good he is without the PED's. He's been on them since the start of his career.

Perhaps David Millar was the same in that his only regrets were getting caught, but cheating in boxing can have far bigger consequences. What would have happened say if Larry killed someone in the ring, how much would the family of the victim be able to sue the BBBoC for.

Also it says came back from suspension I think this encourages people to cheat and if caught just name names to get back to where they were.Its a get out of jail free card that may lead people to think well i got one chance of being caught that i can get out of anyway,

stujones wrote:

ra2006 wrote:You know what Larry O situation reminds me off at the moment, When cyclist David Millar came back from his suspension in 2006.

Alot of people did'nt want him back in his own sport, but he had released the mistake he had made and wanted to make the difference, which he has through action. He is joint owner of the Garmin Sharp pro team, Garmin pioneered the Bio Passports in cycling years before the UCI govering body adopting them. He is a committee member of WADA, he did'nt just talk, he took action and fought for a cleaner sport.

Read his book - Riding through the Darkness. Fantastic read.

This is the type of figure we need in boxing. Larry, can you do this??

Yeah, problem I have with it though is that David Millar couldn't seriously injure someone with his cheating. Every single fight Larry has had, he's been cheating. David was quite established before he started to cheat, so he could possibly see the need to have that boost.

Plus, when Larry was posting on here after being caught he didn't seem to be particularly apologetic or guilty of the damage he could have done, just spoke of not being the only one. The impression I got was the only regrets and guilt he had was getting caught.... had he not got caught he would have continued (that's just the impression I got). When people asked him about the damage he was doing to his own body he seemed adamant that he knew what he was doing. As I said perhaps Millar could see how others had benefited from PED or could see that he needed to go down that route to be a true contender in the big events, Larry doesn't know how good he is without the PED's. He's been on them since the start of his career.

Perhaps David Millar was the same in that his only regrets were getting caught, but cheating in boxing can have far bigger consequences. What would have happened say if Larry killed someone in the ring, how much would the family of the victim be able to sue the BBBoC for.

He was often posting on muscletalk about how to use steroids prior to going pro. Same username as he had here. It was quite shocking it went on for so long and a LOT of people on here turned a blind eye to it.

He's getting a fair bit of attention. He was a well-muscled guy, but steroids or no steroids, he was a pretty hopeless boxer. Talent-wise he is a non-entity!

keithmoonhangover wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:I can't believe Larry has turned grass. With his background he should know better.

We're not in the yard in junior school, PEDs are a poison in our sport. One day someone is gonna die in the ring as a result of someone juicing. The BBBofC need to do everything they can to try and keep them out of the game.

Explain how it is going to kill someone???

Wa1nuts wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

mipersckey1975 wrote:I can't believe Larry has turned grass. With his background he should know better.

We're not in the yard in junior school, PEDs are a poison in our sport. One day someone is gonna die in the ring as a result of someone juicing. The BBBofC need to do everything they can to try and keep them out of the game.

Explain how it is going to kill someone???

They get hit in the head with a gloved fist. Only the person throwing it is a drugs cheat.

ra2006 wrote:You know what Larry O situation reminds me off at the moment, When cyclist David Millar came back from his suspension in 2006.

Alot of people did'nt want him back in his own sport, but he had released the mistake he had made and wanted to make the difference, which he has through action. He is joint owner of the Garmin Sharp pro team, Garmin pioneered the Bio Passports in cycling years before the UCI govering body adopting them. He is a committee member of WADA, he did'nt just talk, he took action and fought for a cleaner sport.

Read his book - Riding through the Darkness. Fantastic read.

This is the type of figure we need in boxing. Larry, can you do this??

Cyclist don't punch people in the head. He may be clean now but PED's have a permanant effect (bigger heart, bigger muscles, bigger bones)

Thus, he's more likely to seriously damage/skill someone becasue of his unfair physical advantages

Larry was/is still a novice and very raw. He was never going to be a world champ but could have got into the British title mix.
He also seemed very keen to learn his trade and improve, perhaps this keenness was down to a lack of confidence, and this lack of confidence encouraged him to take the short cuts and cheat.
I don't know why boxing is always lenient with these people, Toney, Peterson, Jones Jnr, Mosely and Holyfield immediately spring to mind. I suppose the BBBoC are following there lead.
Such leniency only encourages people to do it more.

Coco wrote:Larry was/is still a novice and very raw. He was never going to be a world champ but could have got into the British title mix.
He also seemed very keen to learn his trade and improve, perhaps this keenness was down to a lack of confidence, and this lack of confidence encouraged him to take the short cuts and cheat.
I don't know why boxing is always lenient with these people, Toney, Peterson, Jones Jnr, Mosely and Holyfield immediately spring to mind. I suppose the BBBoC are following there lead.
Such leniency only encourages people to do it more.

Of those examples.

Jones Jnr - Sample B passed, Richard Hall also failed sample A and passed sample B. I think there is a strong evidence for the A sample being contaminated (Diane Modhal style) than Roy (or Richard Hall) cheating.

Mosley - Never caught - only stated it after the fact and said he was clean now. Do you give him a retrospective ban a la Lance Armstrong?

Holyfield - Never caught and only rumoured. Yes, of course I think most believe that he cheated, but there is no proof.

Lamont Peterson - No arguments.

James Toney - No real arguments, although Toney does suffer from a medical condition which means low level of testorone secretes in his body. One could argue that maybe he misguided his dose..... One could also argue though should Toney be allowed to box if the concussive head shots he has taken has cause damage to his pituirity gland! If his pituirity gland is damaged then I would bet other regions are also.

I think from what I have read, although I might be wrong. Larry was on PED before he contimplated boxing.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

DMA1987 wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
I think the board should introduce a '100% Clean' campaign, which fighters can sign up for and agree to voluntary tests.

I like it keith. Why not make it mandatory though?

It should be. If I was a '100% Clean' fighter, I'd take a piss test every day, to prove I am legit.

Exactly, not necessarily every day, but if they made it easy enough, I can't see the problem. Unless of course there was something to hide.

just what the British heavyweight scene needs another lumbering talentless boxer I just wish they would all fight each other and sort out whose the most uncoordinated.

In defence of Larry's boxing ability, the guy turned pro about the age of 30, and was generally getting better with each fight. His defence was a shambles in the McDermott fight, but in the Sexton fight he was boxing relatively well.

I'm not sure whether he deserves a second chance or not, but it will be interesting to see if he has much to offer as a completely clean fighter.

I think I have the most sympathy for the guys that recorded losses against him whilst he was on the PEDs. Dave Ferguson was a half decent domestic heavy, and he hung his gloves up after his 1st round KO by Olubamiwo. Maybe the result would have been different if Larry had been clean?

stujones wrote:

Coco wrote:Larry was/is still a novice and very raw. He was never going to be a world champ but could have got into the British title mix.
He also seemed very keen to learn his trade and improve, perhaps this keenness was down to a lack of confidence, and this lack of confidence encouraged him to take the short cuts and cheat.
I don't know why boxing is always lenient with these people, Toney, Peterson, Jones Jnr, Mosely and Holyfield immediately spring to mind. I suppose the BBBoC are following there lead.
Such leniency only encourages people to do it more.

Of those examples.

Jones Jnr - Sample B passed, Richard Hall also failed sample A and passed sample B. I think there is a strong evidence for the A sample being contaminated (Diane Modhal style) than Roy (or Richard Hall) cheating.

Mosley - Never caught - only stated it after the fact and said he was clean now. Do you give him a retrospective ban a la Lance Armstrong?

Holyfield - Never caught and only rumoured. Yes, of course I think most believe that he cheated, but there is no proof.

Lamont Peterson - No arguments.

James Toney - No real arguments, although Toney does suffer from a medical condition which means low level of testorone secretes in his body. One could argue that maybe he misguided his dose..... One could also argue though should Toney be allowed to box if the concussive head shots he has taken has cause damage to his pituirity gland! If his pituirity gland is damaged then I would bet other regions are also.

I think from what I have read, although I might be wrong. Larry was on PED before he contimplated boxing.

The point I am really trying to make is that boxing is not strong on drug cheats.

I don't think I could honestly sat that I think he shouldn't be allowed to fight again.

What is interesting is that Larry was 'honest' in the aftermath of being caught and then withdrew everything he'd said. Wonder what's changed?

He's lucky he's not doing a stretch for assault or one of his opponents didn't decide to get even. Terrible thing to do but he's no the only one.

Big Larry should be banned for life,any sportsman using PEDs shouldn't get another chance imo

Coco wrote:

stujones wrote:

Coco wrote:Larry was/is still a novice and very raw. He was never going to be a world champ but could have got into the British title mix.
He also seemed very keen to learn his trade and improve, perhaps this keenness was down to a lack of confidence, and this lack of confidence encouraged him to take the short cuts and cheat.
I don't know why boxing is always lenient with these people, Toney, Peterson, Jones Jnr, Mosely and Holyfield immediately spring to mind. I suppose the BBBoC are following there lead.
Such leniency only encourages people to do it more.

Of those examples.

Jones Jnr - Sample B passed, Richard Hall also failed sample A and passed sample B. I think there is a strong evidence for the A sample being contaminated (Diane Modhal style) than Roy (or Richard Hall) cheating.

Mosley - Never caught - only stated it after the fact and said he was clean now. Do you give him a retrospective ban a la Lance Armstrong?

Holyfield - Never caught and only rumoured. Yes, of course I think most believe that he cheated, but there is no proof.

Lamont Peterson - No arguments.

James Toney - No real arguments, although Toney does suffer from a medical condition which means low level of testorone secretes in his body. One could argue that maybe he misguided his dose..... One could also argue though should Toney be allowed to box if the concussive head shots he has taken has cause damage to his pituirity gland! If his pituirity gland is damaged then I would bet other regions are also.

I think from what I have read, although I might be wrong. Larry was on PED before he contimplated boxing.

The point I am really trying to make is that boxing is not strong on drug cheats.

Board just banned Craig Windsor Jnr for 3 years, so maybe they are getting a bit tougher. Hence Larry getting his cut.

I'm never going to fight again so I don't mind sharing this. Once I'd retired I did a cycle of a type of steroid to see what it felt like and what training on it would be like. It was an absolute game changer. Increased aggression, increased endurance, more strength, more power, less time needed to recover.

Why do it? What's the point- when you get to the end of your career who gives a shit? Where's your pride?

This is pricisely why British MMa doesn't interest me- full of cheats. If boxing gets to this stage then ill cease to bother with it that's for sure.

JamesH wrote:
What is interesting is that Larry was 'honest' in the aftermath of being caught and then withdrew everything he'd said. Wonder what's changed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5puAN1PGQw

Jeff Thomas wrote:I'm never going to fight again so I don't mind sharing this. Once I'd retired I did a cycle of a type of steroid to see what it felt like and what training on it would be like. It was an absolute game changer. Increased aggression, increased endurance, more strength, more power, less time needed to recover.

Why do it? What's the point- when you get to the end of your career who gives a poo? Where's your pride?

This is pricisely why British MMa doesn't interest me- full of cheats. If boxing gets to this stage then ill cease to bother with it that's for sure.

Agree completely with your overall sentiment & nice to read the inside dope (as it were!) mate.

He will be back, and it will be interesting. He may not be technically the best due to his late start, but he is still capable if KO'ing any British heavyweight. That size restricted him. He came out of prison, went into bodybuilding where steroids are the norm, then fell into boxing, but forgot to stop the steroids. It's not right at all no as he had a responsibilty as a pro licence holder, but I can see how he never adjusted his lifestyle fully.

I believe he has learnt from his mistake and should get one more chance. Next time a life ban. You really would have to be an idiot to get caught again anyway. As for him being a "crap boxer". The more pro's in this game the better, regardless. People can fulfill their dreams at any level. Not everybody needs to be a world champion to be considered successful.

Jeff Thomas wrote:I'm never going to fight again so I don't mind sharing this. Once I'd retired I did a cycle of a type of steroid to see what it felt like and what training on it would be like. It was an absolute game changer. Increased aggression, increased endurance, more strength, more power, less time needed to recover.

Why do it? What's the point- when you get to the end of your career who gives a poo? Where's your pride?

This is pricisely why British MMa doesn't interest me- full of cheats. If boxing gets to this stage then ill cease to bother with it that's for sure.

MMA is riddled with it. It is more or less allowed at the highest level if you have "low test" ......and that is due to past abuse.

carlbcfc wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:I'm never going to fight again so I don't mind sharing this. Once I'd retired I did a cycle of a type of steroid to see what it felt like and what training on it would be like. It was an absolute game changer. Increased aggression, increased endurance, more strength, more power, less time needed to recover.

Why do it? What's the point- when you get to the end of your career who gives a poo? Where's your pride?

This is pricisely why British MMa doesn't interest me- full of cheats. If boxing gets to this stage then ill cease to bother with it that's for sure.

MMA is riddled with it. It is more or less allowed at the highest level if you have "low test" ......and that is due to past abuse.

Exactly whats the point

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Looking On wrote:But whos going to pay for that ?

Are License holders willing to pay higher fees for it ?

The board should use the fines from the drugs cheats to pay for it.

What would they do with the excess money?