Hatton is "nothing" blasts Mayweather

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 06 Apr 2004, 13:43

Defence number twelve: Kelson Pinto they said. It didn't happen. Three days before the fight, Dennis Holbaek Pedersen, a brave, capable 29-year-old, accepted a no-win fight. He had boxed only once since losing a lightweight title challenge in 2002.

not hatton fault if pinto is scared. they couldnt of got anyone decent as a ligit 140lbs

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 06 Apr 2004, 13:43

REAL_DEAL wrote:
Eighth defence: the 32-year-old American southpaw Joe Hutchinson had lost in a round to Teddy Reid.
hutchinson was a late sub for someone else, hutchinson wasnt far off from beating gatti

Career-defining fight, then. He beat the man who lost to the man.

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 06 Apr 2004, 13:46

REAL_DEAL wrote:
Defence number twelve: Kelson Pinto they said. It didn't happen. Three days before the fight, Dennis Holbaek Pedersen, a brave, capable 29-year-old, accepted a no-win fight. He had boxed only once since losing a lightweight title challenge in 2002.
not hatton fault if pinto is scared. they couldnt of got anyone decent as a ligit 140lbs

Perhaps, but you're ignoring the fact that Warren & Hatton have not even tried to make fights with any of the 18 top-20-ranked guys at 140 who Hatton hasn't fought. He's only ever fought a single ranked guy at 140, and that guy was near the bottom of the 20! Sheesh...

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 06 Apr 2004, 13:48

I wanted to check how old Hatton's challengers were when they fought him. It's quite an eye-opener.

knightshadeau · Post by **knightshadeau** » 06 Apr 2004, 20:46

REAL_DEAL wrote:
Defence number twelve: Kelson Pinto they said. It didn't happen. Three days before the fight, Dennis Holbaek Pedersen, a brave, capable 29-year-old, accepted a no-win fight. He had boxed only once since losing a lightweight title challenge in 2002.
not hatton fault if pinto is scared. they couldnt of got anyone decent as a ligit 140lbs

You British boxing fans must really love your boxing. Question, How many times now has Ricky been set to fight someone only to have them pull out within a week of the fight? How many last minute replacements has Ricky faced in fights?

Cheers

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 06 Apr 2004, 21:18

It makes me laugh how certain "respected" members of the board immediately started criticising Floyd Jr, yet he said nothing. And as for those who criticise Roger for losing to whoever, at least he has fought at that level, which Hatton is yet to do. At the end of the day, Floyd Jr's talent speaks for itself, against "A" competition he dominates them. Justin Juuko, stopped him, Diego Corrales, stopped him, Angel Manfredy, stopped him all these world class guys, and he stopped them dead in their tracks. The three times Hatton has really stepped up to some mediocre world level (Magee, Phillips, Tackie) he's gone to points and that's at his own weight.

Hatton needs to fight someone and quick, and Roger Mayweather is not wrong for saying that. Everything else is just typical Mayweather talk, but the main point that he's making is true.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 07 Apr 2004, 04:11

Southpaw Stylist wrote:It makes me laugh how certain "respected" members of the board immediately started criticising Floyd Jr, yet he said nothing.

As I said when I edited my post, I should have read the article more carefully!

Apologies to you SS, I promise not to let anything like this happen again....

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 07 Apr 2004, 04:28

I think that Mayweather is entitled to his opinion he was a much better fighter than Hatton and would have beaten him easily in his prime.

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 07 Apr 2004, 04:44

Kilburn wrote:
Southpaw Stylist wrote:It makes me laugh how certain "respected" members of the board immediately started criticising Floyd Jr, yet he said nothing.
As I said when I edited my post, I should have read the article more carefully!

Apologies to you SS, I promise not to let anything like this happen again....

#

Kilburn, your apology was seen and noted lol.

J · Post by J » 07 Apr 2004, 04:45

Matchfixer wrote:
J wrote:
knockout wrote:i love the way american fighters, press, fans etc blast non USA fighters for fighting at home yet hardly any USA champs travel themselves!!!!

Kettle, pan, black.....
Quote RJJ, Ill fight Calzaghe in england if you get me a slot on top of the pops" i shit you not. hahah
Perhaps they should give him a slot - if he raps/sings a tenth as good he boxes he'll be better than most of the bill.

I like statements like these... so much better than the usual drivel. Long live trash talking.

IT WASNT TRASH TALKING HE HAD A NEW SINGLE HE WANTED TO PROMOTE. HE MEANT IT WAS A CONDITION TO MAKING THE FIGHT.

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 07 Apr 2004, 06:59

bennie wrote:Roger Mayweather is attracting stick here, but he looks at Hatton's world title record and sees this:

Hatton wins WBU title with a win over 36-year-old super-featherweight Tony Pep. Ricky drops to his knees at the finish (spare us, Ricky).

Hatton makes his first defence against 30-year-old Jason Rowland, who had struggled to outpoint Russian journeyman Viktor Baranov in his previous fight 10 months earlier - and was virtually in retirement.

Second defence is against stumpy, dead game but talentless 28-year-old American John Bailey, who seven months earlier had lost to Dennis Holbaek Pedersen in a 12-rounder for the IBC lightweight title.

Third defence is against a 38-year-old former lightweight champ, Freddie Pendleton.

Fourth defence: Justin Rowsell, a 30-year-old Aussie whose only previous excursion into world class had seen him chinned in six by Lovemore N'Dou.

Fifth defence: The 29-year-old Russian Mikhail Krivolapov, who had lost in his only previous excursion outside native shores.

Sixth defence: The 30-year-old Eamonn Magee was the first decent challenger Hatton met. He floored Hatton for the first time in his career and was clearly the bigger puncher throughout. Hatton showed "smarts" to stand off and outbox his man, but Magee is a limited fighter coming forward. He hates coming forward. Would Hatton have been able to outbox a more rounded puncher?

Seventh defence: The 29-year-old Stephen Smith was a joke seventh challenger. He couldn't even win a British title at lightweight, so why was he challenging for a 'world' title at light-welter! His old man knew he was in for a beating, but even he couldn't accept his son's complete manhandling.

Eighth defence: the 32-year-old American southpaw Joe Hutchinson had lost in a round to Teddy Reid.

Ninth defence: Vince "Cool" Phillips was 39 and came for the payday (even squeezing some extra money out of Warren just before the fight, for which he is now being sued). He arrived three days before the fight.

Tenth defence: Warren promised an opponent ranked in the top 10. What we didn't expect was a fighter ranked in the top 10 lightweights! This wasn't a fight. It was just a case of how long 29-year-old Aldo Rios could last.

Eleventh defence: The 30-year-old Ben Tackie was seen as the acid test for Hatton, but he was another who had clearly seen better days. Kostya Tszyu played with him, and Sharmba Mitchell also outclassed - and even floored him, seven months before the Hatton fight.
Tackie had even returned to his native Ghana, no longer an attraction in the States.

Defence number twelve: Kelson Pinto they said. It didn't happen. Three days before the fight, Dennis Holbaek Pedersen, a brave, capable 29-year-old, accepted a no-win fight. He had boxed only once since losing a lightweight title challenge in 2002.

All in all Warren has made a barrow full of money marketing a second rate product (WBU title) and an untested and unproven fighter (Hatton).

I'd be interested to know how many of Hattons and Calzaghe's opponents have pulled out, compared to other title holders.

Does anyone know?

Did Kelson Pinto actually sign a contract?

Hardhitters11 · Post by **Hardhitters11** » 07 Apr 2004, 08:20

Its a fact though that Mayweather is a much better fighter than Hatton and also that Hatton badly needs to step up and go to america....

Warren knows if he takes Ricky to the US against the best there is a very good chance he will lose which is why we will see RH in a fight with a good fighter then drop down to beating sure bets again...

HH

{amateur} · Post by **{amateur}** » 07 Apr 2004, 09:09

Well if Mayweaher is so confident then why does he not make this fight happen strait away if Mayweather is so superior it will be amear speed bump on his way to the top of 140.

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 07 Apr 2004, 11:04

{amateur} wrote:Well if Mayweaher is so confident then why does he not make this fight happen strait away if Mayweather is so superior it will be amear speed bump on his way to the top of 140.

Amateur, you can't make a fight unless both sides agree to. No way would Fast Frank ever let Ricky within rock-throwing distance of someone like Floyd.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 07 Apr 2004, 11:13

Eric the Viking wrote:No way would Fast Frank ever let Ricky within rock-throwing distance of someone like Floyd.

Someone like Floyd? The guy will always have fast feet for sure but at 140 he aint breaking an egg. Not exactly the most dangerous guy out there.

J · Post by J » 07 Apr 2004, 11:15

but he is american so is therefore great

sorry eric couldnt resist

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 07 Apr 2004, 11:30

I agree, he hasn't even fought at 140 yet, and people are already acting like he's a racing certainty to beat anyone out there. He's not a puncher below 140, and his punch is only going to be lesser. He can hurt anyone with his speed, but he's going to struggle against someone who carries a shot who can pressure him. However, on paper, he has the skills to do it.

J · Post by J » 07 Apr 2004, 11:33

Yip bout sums it up for me, great boxing skills but that doesnt count for anything if someone keeps walking through your shots and getting off with their own heavier handed punches.
I do like Mayweather asa boxer very talented tho and will be intrigued to see how he goes at light welter..just dont believe its in any way as clear cut as its being made out by some.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 07 Apr 2004, 11:50

jamesmcdonnell wrote:he has the skills to do it

But as a fan I don't really want to see him try. Mayweather was an awsome super featherweight but I don't have any desire to see him picking, poking and running away from natural light-welters because he can't come close to matching them for strength. He was boring enough against the lightweights.

J · Post by J » 07 Apr 2004, 11:53

begs the question why move up so prematurely? Thoughts? Is doesnt seem to me that he needed to weightwise,
money ? Surely he could have found some decent names at lightweight?

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 07 Apr 2004, 11:59

There's not a stack load at lightweight. Freitas isn't going to get made. He'd basically be waiting for Morales, Casamayor and Corrales to move up in weight (or bust his guts to get back down). Loads more money fights to be made at 140.

There's a real danger he could become the Chris Byrd of the lighter weights

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 07 Apr 2004, 12:04

Naturally Mayweather is entitled to go for the highest earning fights out there but it won't automatically make them the best spectacles.

Look at Hopkins v DLH - huge money fight but what will the fans actually get? It won't be a fight that's for sure.

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 07 Apr 2004, 12:10

Kilburn wrote:
Eric the Viking wrote:No way would Fast Frank ever let Ricky within rock-throwing distance of someone like Floyd.
Someone like Floyd? The guy will always have fast feet for sure but at 140 he aint breaking an egg. Not exactly the most dangerous guy out there.

He wouldn't have to KO Hatton to win - or would he? Maybe we should ask Hatton's personal referee and ringside judge, Mickey Vann, about that.

Mayweather had more than enough power to stop N'Dou, who is better quality than anybody Hatton has ever faced. And given the fact that Hatton has fought mainly old men, stiffs and lightweights, I think you overrate his power. Let's see, how has done against the three top guys he's faced (none of whom were as good as N'Dou): Magee - went the distance and even had Hatton on the deck, Phillips - went the distance, Tackie - went the distance. That's supposed to be more impressive than Mayweather blowing away N'Dou? Pedersen is also a natural lightweight, ranked far lower than N'Dou, and Hatton didn't look more impressive against him than Mayweather did against a better man.

The blind loyalty of the Hattonites never ceases to amaze me - and allegedly is laughing all the way to the bank.

J · Post by J » 07 Apr 2004, 12:12

seems strange to me basically jeapordising his reputation in the pursuit of money, he has time is rich enough why not make the fight with Freitas happen I mean that is a super match up and one everyone would love to see. In the meantime fight the "hispanic causing panic" in a marking time fight and he can bang a bit too with 25 ko's.

just my take on it but Ive never been a fan of hopping weights unless you cant make the limit anymore.

one of the reasons I have such admiration for hopkins ..

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 07 Apr 2004, 12:19

NEWSFLASH: Philip N'Dou was a super featherweight.