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danconnollyeire wrote:Glen Johnson is a world level journeyman. Leon Spinks was a gold medalist/world champion turned sort of journeyman. You could see Del Boy turning in to one if he loses his next fight

Coco wrote:Matthew Ellis turned into a tomato can

TheGoods wrote:Just purchased a load of old boxing monthlys and there is a terrific article about Nobby on there from about 10 year ago. Proper rascal!

dalcumly wrote:Kevin McAuley. I think he once won the Midlands Area title, now fighting every week, and losing !

I fully understand the arguments put forward for journeymen ,and some I've spoken to say that as soon as promoters started to realise they were trying to win fights, they dried up .

But, fans pay good money to see fights and if one fighter isn't trying then this amounts to a sparring session. Ten defeats in a row then they should be suspended and brought in front of the Board.

Of course the REAL problem is that promoters and managers don't want to risk their boxers undefeated records. It's embarassing really, where's the self respect in telling your family and friends that you've had a 100 fights and lost 85 0f them ?

johnnygreaves wrote:

dalcumly wrote:Kevin McAuley. I think he once won the Midlands Area title, now fighting every week, and losing !

I fully understand the arguments put forward for journeymen ,and some I've spoken to say that as soon as promoters started to realise they were trying to win fights, they dried up .

But, fans pay good money to see fights and if one fighter isn't trying then this amounts to a sparring session. Ten defeats in a row then they should be suspended and brought in front of the Board.

Of course the REAL problem is that promoters and managers don't want to risk their boxers undefeated records. It's embarassing really, where's the self respect in telling your family and friends that you've had a 100 fights and lost 85 0f them ?

is there no respect telling my kids that although I have no work skills or gcse,s that I've fed & clothed you by sheer hard work,pain& 100's of miles?

johnnygreaves wrote:

dalcumly wrote:Kevin McAuley. I think he once won the Midlands Area title, now fighting every week, and losing !

I fully understand the arguments put forward for journeymen ,and some I've spoken to say that as soon as promoters started to realise they were trying to win fights, they dried up .

But, fans pay good money to see fights and if one fighter isn't trying then this amounts to a sparring session. Ten defeats in a row then they should be suspended and brought in front of the Board.

Of course the REAL problem is that promoters and managers don't want to risk their boxers undefeated records. It's embarassing really, where's the self respect in telling your family and friends that you've had a 100 fights and lost 85 0f them ?

is there no respect telling my kids that although I have no work skills or gcse,s that I've fed & clothed you by sheer hard work,pain& 100's of miles?

warriorbox wrote:Does Danny Williams fit the bill as a decent am, very decent pro at times, now in full journeyman mode?

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flatnoseflynn wrote:Audley Harrison.

If he's a journeyman, he ain't very good at lasting the journey.

expe wrote:Marc Callaghan was a British title challenger and has just had his license revoked after not winning a fight for 6 1/2 years.

dalcumly wrote:Johnny Greaves says that very often journeymen turn up on a few days notice to fight someone whose been preparing for weeks. That's right but it's up to Johnny and others to be in the gym most nights of the week as well. Its only the real top liners who CAN go into camp to prepare.
He also says that he's fighting and feeding his family ,and I respect that , but the fans are paying £30 -£40 out of their family income to see a FIGHT , not a sparring session.
I like the journeymen, I really do , but they are SPARRING partners.

In the 1950's and 60's the late Bob Paget was probably the best known sparring partner in London. He didn't turn professional but cycled from Oxford Street every lunchtime to spar wherever a manager wanted him . He'd be a journeyman today.

johnnygreaves wrote:No , we do train. What I'm saying is that you can't stay at peak fitness all year.theres a difference !i can understand your points of view but while I'm offered the work, ill take it . Taa very much.its boxings problem.not mine.ive deffo only got 3 left and bet your bollocks that ill be trying in every one of them

billy bessey wrote:

dalcumly wrote:To Johnny Greaves , Matt Seawright, Kevin Mc Auley , Sid Razak and Billy Smith. Come on lads give us punters a real boost and go for it in your next few fights . I'm not so certain that your work would stop with a few tidy wins. It would just make the new lads coming in to face you a bit more wary, and thats a good thing for everybody. Give it a go !!!!

No it wouldn't it would mean they wont get used as much. Sometimes they're paid by the promoter to do what they are asked to do otherwise they wont be used again

. Plus when they're not asked to do anything they also know the score and know what not to do. Its not the journeymen's faults to a degree its not even the promoters faults its down to the bbbc and all the time they carry on turning a blind eye to it then it will carry on. But on the other hand if they do crack down on it although it would make better viewing for the fans a boxers career would not last half as long and their wouldn't be nowhere near as many pros around. As in the big ticket sellers who fight people who er herm have a move around with them would get beat in 4/5 of normal fights so would soon give up plus they would lose their fan base which wouldnt be good for the boxer the promoter and the bbbc. Even though to a degree boxing at the lower levels is little more then pantomime at times it would be even harder to continue if you took journeymen away. As a fighter It costs around £600 a year to be a pro and home boxers who are poor ticket sellers now quite often box for nothing so if your only having 3 fights a year getting paid very little and only winning 1 of them so the lure of being a pro wouldn't be so great

ShadrachSimmo wrote:On the topic of Brummie journeymen Anthony Hanna had lost 25 fights and he got a shot at Damaen Kelly. Anyone know how this happened?