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I agree that he's the business, and I also degree that he's a dipstick. If he beats Malignaggi, and I expect him to, I think he stops being the next big thing and becomes the current big thing. I don't think the jump in weight will show that much; he's a huge lightweight with power to spare, and Paulie doesn't have power to leverage. It's not impossible that Paulie will outslick him, and if he does, the Broner is not as good as I think (wouldn't be the first time!). My prediction is he stops Paulie in the 7th, and the talk quickly turns to Floyd, Manny, Marquez and maybe Canelo. That's why he's jumped divisions IMO, he sees a lot of big money faded legends (I'm not saying Floyd has faded, but Manny and Marquez are there for the taking) who will not be around a lot longer, and thinks that's his ticket. Floyd will beat him up, but the rest I'm not so sure.

On the other hand, I don't know how anyone stays in the room with the bloke without cuffing him round the back of the head.

Floyd won't beat him up, they will never fight.

WelshJack wrote:Floyd won't beat him up, they will never fight.

No, I agree, but if they did, it's a win for Floyd. Broner lacks the defence to make it a boxing match, and he's not going to land loads on Floyd unless he either improves massively, or Floyd goes off a cliff. It's the wrong style, rather than the wrong level.

I think he's been matched against the 'right' opposition so far. Anytime that happens you have to wonder why?

I suggest everyone watch the Ponce De Leon fight and see how that makes them feel. No fighter is gonna look exceptional everytime out, but that fight showed some vulnerablility.

hurlock wrote:He is an elite fighter period.

His am record is impressive!
& what he's done in the sport to date is very good going & he is still a work in progress

Who did he beat in the amateurs? And who did he lose to?

I know that he claims to have over 300 wins, but I haven't seen any proof of that. What matters is who he beat and who he lost to.

I think Broner could be excellent. But he's a completely different fighter to Mayweather. He leans in and out of punches, but gets hit more often than Floyd and doesn't move anywhere near as much. I think it's still too early to declare Broner a P4P player but he seems to have a lot of potential. I think too much is made of the De Leon fight - a lot of top fighters have had fights earlier in their career when they struggled - look at Floyd with Castillo.

The Malignaggi fight will be interesting, but Paulie is the least dangerous top ten Welter contender he could possibly take on. I've always though Maginaggi was way overrated. I didn't see the Senchenko fight, but I've seen most of the others and I think the best I've seen him was in his losing performance to Cotto back in 2006.

Any top fighter at Light Welter or Welter should be able to deal with PM handily. This fight will give us a good look at how sharp Broner can be at Welter and how hard he can hit. If he doesn't knock PM around (at least through the entire second half of the fight) I'll be a little disappointed.

johnswan1 wrote:I think Broner could be excellent. But he's a completely different fighter to Mayweather. He leans in and out of punches, but gets hit more often than Floyd and doesn't move anywhere near as much. I think it's still too early to declare Broner a P4P player but he seems to have a lot of potential. I think too much is made of the De Leon fight - a lot of top fighters have had fights earlier in their career when they struggled - look at Floyd with Castillo.

The Malignaggi fight will be interesting, but Paulie is the least dangerous top ten Welter contender he could possibly take on. I've always though Maginaggi was way overrated. I didn't see the Senchenko fight, but I've seen most of the others and I think the best I've seen him was in his losing performance to Cotto back in 2006.

Any top fighter at Light Welter or Welter should be able to deal with PM handily. This fight will give us a good look at how sharp Broner can be at Welter and how hard he can hit. If he doesn't knock PM around (at least through the entire second half of the fight) I'll be a little disappointed.

Yeah Paulie does not hit hard enough to get Broner on the defensive and when Paulie will have to engage at times and will be punished. I think Broner will gradually catch up and systematically beat the heck out of him and stop him over 6-8 rounds.

Asterix wrote:

hurlock wrote:He is an elite fighter period.

His am record is impressive!
& what he's done in the sport to date is very good going & he is still a work in progress

Who did he beat in the amateurs? And who did he lose to?

I know that he claims to have over 300 wins, but I haven't seen any proof of that. What matters is who he beat and who he lost to.

Is it not clear to see he is talented??

I think malinaggi is a perfect choice & I would think he would drop back down to l.welter where there are atleast 2 superfights with his stick raised as welter champion

G0mez wrote:He will lose in due course.

It almost happened against Ponce De Leon.

Lets see how he fares against a measuring stick like Paulie first. I think he's going to have his hands full.

Yeah, i thought Ponce De Leon won that fight.

SamWise72 wrote:I agree that he's the business, and I also degree that he's a dipstick. If he beats Malignaggi, and I expect him to, I think he stops being the next big thing and becomes the current big thing. I don't think the jump in weight will show that much; he's a huge lightweight with power to spare, and Paulie doesn't have power to leverage. It's not impossible that Paulie will outslick him, and if he does, the Broner is not as good as I think (wouldn't be the first time!). My prediction is he stops Paulie in the 7th, and the talk quickly turns to Floyd, Manny, Marquez and maybe Canelo. That's why he's jumped divisions IMO, he sees a lot of big money faded legends (I'm not saying Floyd has faded, but Manny and Marquez are there for the taking) who will not be around a lot longer, and thinks that's his ticket. Floyd will beat him up, but the rest I'm not so sure.

On the other hand, I don't know how anyone stays in the room with the bloke without cuffing him round the back of the head.

Yeah, i can see a possible fight with Marquez, in fact i think they will try and make that the next one after Paulie. Broner sounds a lot better when he is being more matter of fact and doing less of the "you know...." and " easy money" lines.

Broner was very inexperienced when he fought PDL and his best opponent was arguably Willie Kickett; in the last few years there have been very few instances in which a fighter made such a marked step-up in one fight. It may be that PDL exposed enduring limitations that will manifest when Broner fights better opponents, but I think there's a good chance Broner is much better now and won't evince those limitations, at least to the extent that he did against PDL.

Fighters can improve.

ArtOfWar wrote:I think he's been matched against the 'right' opposition so far. Anytime that happens you have to wonder why?

I suggest everyone watch the Ponce De Leon fight and see how that makes them feel. No fighter is gonna look exceptional everytime out, but that fight showed some vulnerablility.

and the Quintero fight aswell, but he will have some fights like that as he is still on a learning curve.

crusader wrote:Broner was very inexperienced when he fought PDL and his best opponent was arguably Willie Kickett; in the last few years there have been very few instances in which a fighter made such a marked step-up in one fight. It may be that PDL exposed enduring limitations that will manifest when Broner fights better opponents, but I think there's a good chance Broner is much better now and won't evince those limitations, at least to the extent that he did against PDL.

Fighters can improve.

You might struggle to sell that concept on this forum. People forget (or choose to ignore) that Broner was 21 and had fought no-one near PDL's level at that point.

Yes, he does seem a massive tit, but that shouldn't make people blind to his talents. He looks the business.

I'd love to see Paulie beat him up, but suspect it's not going to happen.

magnus wrote:

crusader wrote:Broner was very inexperienced when he fought PDL and his best opponent was arguably Willie Kickett; in the last few years there have been very few instances in which a fighter made such a marked step-up in one fight. It may be that PDL exposed enduring limitations that will manifest when Broner fights better opponents, but I think there's a good chance Broner is much better now and won't evince those limitations, at least to the extent that he did against PDL.

Fighters can improve.

You might struggle to sell that concept on this forum. People forget (or choose to ignore) that Broner was 21 and had fought no-one near PDL's level at that point.

Yes, he does seem a massive tit, but that shouldn't make people blind to his talents. He looks the business.

I'd love to see Paulie beat him up, but suspect it's not going to happen.

Sad fact is that someone's dislike for a fighter can cloud his judgement on how talented that fighter is and Broner definately comes into that catagory.

hurlock wrote:

Asterix wrote:

hurlock wrote:He is an elite fighter period.

His am record is impressive!
& what he's done in the sport to date is very good going & he is still a work in progress

Who did he beat in the amateurs? And who did he lose to?

I know that he claims to have over 300 wins, but I haven't seen any proof of that. What matters is who he beat and who he lost to.

Is it not clear to see he is talented??

I think malinaggi is a perfect choice & I would think he would drop back down to l.welter where there are atleast 2 superfights with his stick raised as welter champion

There's no denying he's talented. I just want to know more about his amateur career. So who did he beat? I'm asking you because you said his amateur record is impressive.

Have no idea who he fought or beat but he apparently had an amateur record of 300-19.

johnswan1 wrote:Have no idea who he fought or beat but he apparently had an amateur record of 300-19.

Yeah, the record is cited here ( http://www.secondsout.com/headlines/mai ... his-future ), but there never seems to be any mention of who he beat and he never medalled in the Olympics or World Championships.

For example, I have an amateur record of 1000-0.

Asterix wrote:

johnswan1 wrote:Have no idea who he fought or beat but he apparently had an amateur record of 300-19.

Yeah, the record is cited here ( http://www.secondsout.com/headlines/mai ... his-future ), but there never seems to be any mention of who he beat and he never medalled in the Olympics or World Championships.

For example, I have an amateur record of 1000-0.

Asterix, the next Adrien Broner

PM is a decent fighter, and he should be more or less the same size as broner, so at least we will see how broner performs at a decent level with an opponent he doesnt massively outweigh.if he steamrollers paulie then we might be able to start talking about him being something special, but lets face it , hatton and amir khan have already dished out a beating to paulie

Paulie has zero in the armoury to keep Broner at bay and will be on his bike trying to jab the rounds into the bank. The last big fight of Paulies career?

broner should do a number on paulie.

it's what he does once he has the title is the interesting bit.

some good fights at 147.

Quixall wrote:

Asterix wrote:

johnswan1 wrote:Have no idea who he fought or beat but he apparently had an amateur record of 300-19.

Yeah, the record is cited here ( http://www.secondsout.com/headlines/mai ... his-future ), but there never seems to be any mention of who he beat and he never medalled in the Olympics or World Championships.

For example, I have an amateur record of 1000-0.

Asterix, the next Adrien Broner

It's a shame amateur bouts are so under-recorded. I'm glad we have records of the major championships, though. Of which, Broner doesn't feature in any.

how the hell can you call broner an elite fighter when he has not faced a really dangerous foe. come on! get real. let the man earn his medals. I reckon the poster - who gave a creditable analysis of AB - is too eager to jump in and say "I told you so"
he may be good but until he beats a mover who can whack a bit you surely cant put him into elite level. wow he KO'd paulie! he must be the greatest fighter on the planet...perhaps in the history of boxing...err, lets wait a little longer

misterpunch wrote:how the hell can you call broner an elite fighter when he has not faced a really dangerous foe. come on! get real. let the man earn his medals. I reckon the poster - who gave a creditable analysis of AB - is too eager to jump in and say "I told you so"
he may be good but until he beats a mover who can whack a bit you surely cant put him into elite level. wow he KO'd paulie! he must be the greatest fighter on the planet...perhaps in the history of boxing...err, lets wait a little longer

If you look at the thread title, it is asking whether he will be the next big thing, so i haven't said he is an elite fighter. I have also said that he hasn't faced any top oppenents, just durable ones. I'm not too sure what you mean when you say that i would be eager to jump in and say "i told you so" ?? I just gave what i considered to be a fair account of Broner, going on the 13 fights i have seen him in. We all know that Paulie is past his best and it's a tester fight for Broner, with it being his first at welterweight, so no-one will hail him if he beats Paulie. The whole point of the thread is to ask the question, which is " will he become the next big thing in boxing ", so it's pretty obvious that time will tell. You seem to be stating the obvious and assuming that we all think Broner will be crowned the king of boxing if he beats Paulie, which isn't the case.

On paper he has done great things & malinaggi is a master stroke to claim a championship at welter & he can then face a tight at the weight Garcia who is proven I'm under no illusion he is a Henry Armstrong.
My reservations of broner jumping up is that his power gives him a lot of time & his punches are not as quick & stinging as mayweather who is blessed with the best timing I've ever witnessed.
I'm not saying he won't struggle but he defenetly has enough skill to see off paulie imo