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columbo wrote:Haye is an arrogant cock at times but he's still an talented arrogant cock! Wladimir never looked in complete control against Haye and he does most opponents.

Wladimir still won about 11-1.

Fury's record is almost as good as Haye's at heavyweight and if Fury had been given another year before this fight then his record would probably be better than Haye's.

People tend to overrate fighters with speed and power and Haye is a great example of that. What has he done to make people so sure he wins this?

Horse wrote:

columbo wrote:Haye is an arrogant cock at times but he's still an talented arrogant cock! Wladimir never looked in complete control against Haye and he does most opponents.

Wladimir still won about 11-1.

Fury's record is almost as good as Haye's at heavyweight and if Fury had been given another year before this fight then his record would probably be better than Haye's.

People tend to overrate fighters with speed and power and Haye is a great example of that. What has he done to make people so sure he wins this?

I dont think 11-1 is an accurate description at all! He definietly won the fight but it wasnt that wide! .... well you could say the same about Fury to be fair. Haye for his faults is still a former unifted cruiserweight champion and WBA heavyweight champion.

columbo wrote:I dont think 11-1 is an accurate description at all! He definietly won the fight but it wasnt that wide!

How did you score it then? Wladimir won easily.

columbo wrote:.... well you could say the same about Fury to be fair.

What do you mean?

columbo wrote:Haye for his faults is still a former unifted cruiserweight champion and WBA heavyweight champion.

Cruiserweight achievements are worth diddly squat at heavyweight.

What has he done at heavyweight to suggest that he beats Fury easily?

Horse wrote:

columbo wrote:I dont think 11-1 is an accurate description at all! He definietly won the fight but it wasnt that wide!

How did you score it then? Wladimir won easily.

columbo wrote:.... well you could say the same about Fury to be fair.

What do you mean?

columbo wrote:Haye for his faults is still a former unifted cruiserweight champion and WBA heavyweight champion.

Cruiserweight achievements are worth diddly squat at heavyweight.

What has he done at heavyweight to suggest that he beats Fury easily?

I cant remember exactly how I scored it. I havent watched the fight for ages. It definietly wasnt that wide though. I mean Fury hasnt done anything either yet! Haye has still achieved more upto now than Fury has.

columbo wrote:I cant remember exactly how I scored it. I havent watched the fight for ages. It definietly wasnt that wide though. I mean Fury hasnt done anything either yet! Haye has still achieved more upto now than Fury has.

Fury has beaten Chisora, Johnson and Cunningham. What has Haye done that is better at heavyweight?

Horse wrote:

columbo wrote:I cant remember exactly how I scored it. I havent watched the fight for ages. It definietly wasnt that wide though. I mean Fury hasnt done anything either yet! Haye has still achieved more upto now than Fury has.

Fury has beaten Chisora, Johnson and Cunningham. What has Haye done that is better at heavyweight?

He's beaten Chisora by knockout, beat Valuev, beat ruiz

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Horse wrote:

columbo wrote:I cant remember exactly how I scored it. I havent watched the fight for ages. It definietly wasnt that wide though. I mean Fury hasnt done anything either yet! Haye has still achieved more upto now than Fury has.

Fury has beaten Chisora, Johnson and Cunningham. What has Haye done that is better at heavyweight?

He's beaten Chisora by knockout, beat Valuev, beat ruiz

Exactly ^^^^
And... he hasn't sang during interviews!!! Tyson Fury is an embarrasing big lump of wood, typical loud mouth young Gypo ( i know plenty through the horses and dogs) BUT..... He's must watch TV though as fans are divided, some wanting him to win and others on the edge of their seats wanting him to get knocked out so he's doing his self promoting very very well.

Haye is much too good for him as Fury's a i big rough mauler type but Adam Booth is a master tactician in my eyes and they will have Fury sussed.

columbo wrote:He's beaten Chisora by knockout, beat Valuev, beat ruiz

He almost lost to Valuev. He beat a haggard, washed up version of Ruiz and beat Fury's leftovers in Chisora.

How does that suggest he will beat Fury at all, let alone easily?

People are in for a rude awakening when Fury gets his hands on Haye.

Stevolad wrote:Exactly ^^^^
And... he hasn't sang during interviews!!! Tyson Fury is an embarrasing big lump of wood, typical loud mouth young Gypo ( i know plenty through the horses and dogs) BUT..... He's must watch TV though as fans are divided, some wanting him to win and others on the edge of their seats wanting him to get knocked out so he's doing his self promoting very very well.

Haye is much too good for him as Fury's a i big rough mauler type but Adam Booth is a master tactician in my eyes and they will have Fury sussed.

You're impressed by those Haye wins? What are people seeing in Haye? Broner mark II.

Horse wrote:

columbo wrote:He's beaten Chisora by knockout, beat Valuev, beat ruiz

He almost lost to Valuev. He beat a haggard, washed up version of Ruiz and beat Fury's leftovers in Chisora.

How does that suggest he will beat Fury at all, let alone easily?

People are in for a rude awakening when Fury gets his hands on Haye.

He did beat a washed up Ruiz but Ruiz is still a former world champion, more than any of the guys you've mentioned, Cunningham aside who was a cruiserweight world champ. The win over Valuev wasnt great but Valuev outweighed him by about 7 or 8 stone! Finally regarding Chisora, how can you say it was Fury's leftovers when Chisora put in a very good perfomance and should of gotten the victory against Helenius who's an unbeaten prospect? Also even Vitaly didnt beat Chisora in the fashion Haye did.

columbo wrote:He did beat a washed up Ruiz but Ruiz is still a former world champion, more than any of the guys you've mentioned, Cunningham aside who was a cruiserweight world champ.

He was washed up, it wasn't a big win. Cunningham was a better win.

columbo wrote:Finally regarding Chisora, how can you say it was Fury's leftovers when Chisora put in a very good perfomance and should of gotten the victory against Helenius who's an unbeaten prospect? Also even Vitaly didnt beat Chisora in the fashion Haye did.

Fury beat him first, so he is Fury's leftovers.

Horse wrote:

columbo wrote:He's beaten Chisora by knockout, beat Valuev, beat ruiz

He almost lost to Valuev. He beat a haggard, washed up version of Ruiz and beat Fury's leftovers in Chisora.

How does that suggest he will beat Fury at all, let alone easily?

People are in for a rude awakening when Fury gets his hands on Haye.

Stop talking crap Horse!!!

Nearly lost to Valuev? He controlled the entire fight you moron, and had him in serious trouble in the last round - all with a broken hand suffered early on. If you were expecting him to steam in and rain punches down on him you're more of a moron that your comments in this thread have suggested.

A 'washed up version of Ruiz' was still a better fighter at that point in time than blown up cruiser weight Steve Cunningham - who had your boy Fury doing the Amir Khan on his back.

As for Chisora, well now I KNOW you're taking the piss. The Chisora who took Fury the distance in a fairly close fight was a fat, unfit bum of a fighter. The Chisora who fought Haye was a motivated, lean(er) and fitter machine after the Vitali fight - and Haye smashed him up.

I will bet you anything you like that Fury doesn't 'wipe the floor with him'. The only way Fury wins this is using his size over the distance of the fight.

Ironically exactly what Valuev couldn't do against Haye...

MarkMcBurney wrote:Stop talking crap Horse!!!

Nearly lost to Valuev? He controlled the entire fight you moron, and had him in serious trouble in the last round - all with a broken hand suffered early on. If you were expecting him to steam in and rain punches down on him you're more of a moron that your comments in this thread have suggested.

Keep worshipping Haye you brainwashed thicko and put the most positive spin on his pathetic performance against Valuev that you can.

MarkMcBurney wrote:A 'washed up version of Ruiz' was still a better fighter at that point in time than blown up cruiser weight Steve Cunningham - who had your boy Fury doing the Amir Khan on his back.

No, he wasn't. Cunningham would have beaten him. If Cunningham is a blown up cruiserweight, then what is Haye?

MarkMcBurney wrote:As for Chisora, well now I KNOW you're taking the piss. The Chisora who took Fury the distance in a fairly close fight was a fat, unfit bum of a fighter. The Chisora who fought Haye was a motivated, lean(er) and fitter machine after the Vitali fight - and Haye smashed him up.

I will bet you anything you like that Fury doesn't 'wipe the floor with him'. The only way Fury wins this is using his size over the distance of the fight.

Ironically exactly what Valuev couldn't do against Haye...

Fury will smash Haye and you will weep.

Horse wrote:Haye is Britain's Broner i.e. far too overhyped.

Fury's going to smash him to pieces, it's going to be great.

Ha ha, you are funny horse

Horse wrote:

MarkMcBurney wrote:Stop talking crap Horse!!!

Nearly lost to Valuev? He controlled the entire fight you moron, and had him in serious trouble in the last round - all with a broken hand suffered early on. If you were expecting him to steam in and rain punches down on him you're more of a moron that your comments in this thread have suggested.

Keep worshipping Haye you brainwashed thicko and put the most positive spin on his pathetic performance against Valuev that you can.

MarkMcBurney wrote:A 'washed up version of Ruiz' was still a better fighter at that point in time than blown up cruiser weight Steve Cunningham - who had your boy Fury doing the Amir Khan on his back.

No, he wasn't. Cunningham would have beaten him. If Cunningham is a blown up cruiserweight, then what is Haye?

MarkMcBurney wrote:As for Chisora, well now I KNOW you're taking the piss. The Chisora who took Fury the distance in a fairly close fight was a fat, unfit bum of a fighter. The Chisora who fought Haye was a motivated, lean(er) and fitter machine after the Vitali fight - and Haye smashed him up.

I will bet you anything you like that Fury doesn't 'wipe the floor with him'. The only way Fury wins this is using his size over the distance of the fight.

Ironically exactly what Valuev couldn't do against Haye...

Fury will smash Haye and you will weep.

To be honest your frankly hilarious 'rankings' show you up for the utter buffoon you are, we will have to wait and see wha excuse you come up with when you're proved wrong on this one. Fury will be number 2 in your list I suspect!

I'm starting to think Horse actually believes what he is writing.

There is no doubt Fury has a fighting heart, and doesn't yet know how to lose. Unfortunately for him he has had to continually display it whether its in titantic struggles against Big Bad John (a lovely man but with first round losses against Price, Skelton.....), or picking himself up off the deck after heavy knockdowns.

Fury does not hit hard, certainly not relative to his weight. His technique, while improved from a low base over last 2 years, is still poor. His feet are often so out of place its comical.

Yet worst of all, he's yet to learn how to select and wear a decent pair of boxing trunks.

Horse - It's not so much that people are overhyping Haye, it's that Fury has been floored by much lesser men than Haye when it comes to ability and more importantly POWER. If Haye lands and overhand right like Cunningham did there is zero chance of Fury bouncing back up as easily, he'll probably be down for a few minutes.

The size of humble pie Horse is going to get served after this fight will be quite remarkable...

Horse wrote:Haye is Britain's Broner i.e. far too overhyped.

Fury's going to smash him to pieces, it's going to be great.

Horse wrote:Haye is Britain's Broner i.e. far too overhyped.

Fury's going to smash him to pieces, it's going to be great.

You've got to be trolling, surely? I don't think there's anyone outside of Fury's family that believe he's a better, more impressive heavyweight than Haye.

Horse wrote:

columbo wrote:He's beaten Chisora by knockout, beat Valuev, beat ruiz

He almost lost to Valuev. He beat a haggard, washed up version of Ruiz and beat Fury's leftovers in Chisora.

How does that suggest he will beat Fury at all, let alone easily?

People are in for a rude awakening when Fury gets his hands on Haye.

nearly lost to valuev? 116-112, 114-114, 116-112. I honestly can understand why you think Fury stands a chance he's too easily tagged.

Fury is boxing and improving regularly; Fury is very powerful but is his heart in it? He is very wealthy and has been at the (near) pinnacle; when he got the chance to go for the crown he did not really grab it. I don't think Fury will win; Haye hits very hard but to disregard Furys' chance is silly.

Fury will try to do the same thing he did with Pajkic, Cunningham, etc. use his size to maul and bull Haye around, lean on him in the corners and on the ropes. I can see Haye knocking him down, but he will get back up. Question is, will Haye be able to put him down and keep him there?

Cap

Finn wrote:nearly lost to valuev? 116-112, 114-114, 116-112.

A lot of people scored the fight to Valuev.

Finn wrote:I honestly can understand why you think Fury stands a chance he's too easily tagged.

You don't understand why I think a world class heavyweight "stands a chance" against the almighty David Haye? Really?

What has Tyson Fury really done to justify being labelled world class? The truth is we don't know how well he stands up to a genuine world class fighter because he hasn't faced one yet - except a former world class fighter from the division below him.