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CrazyHorse wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Dude, I like your posts less and less all the time. I can tell you're a fan, but maybe tone it down a little.

I get mad when people thinks its ok to showboat to a living legend and a guy who will in peoples hearts go down as the greatest of all time and who at the time was showing signs of parkinson's.

Showing signs of Parkinson's? That's 20/20 hindsight at it's best. Do you seriously think Holmes knew that Ali was going to develop Parkinson's? Did anyone at all comment on these so called early signs before the fight, 4 years before he was actually diagnosed?
Given the way Ali behaved towards Frazier, Patterson and others in the past I'm not too torn up about Holmes taunting him.

hhaehre wrote:Showing signs of Parkinson's? That's 20/20 hindsight at it's best. Do you seriously think Holmes knew that Ali was going to develop Parkinson's? Did anyone at all comment on these so called early signs before the fight, 4 years before he was actually diagnosed?
Given the way Ali behaved towards Frazier, Patterson and others in the past I'm not too torn up about Holmes taunting him.

No you're right. He probably didn't

hhaehre wrote:

CrazyHorse wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Dude, I like your posts less and less all the time. I can tell you're a fan, but maybe tone it down a little.

I get mad when people thinks its ok to showboat to a living legend and a guy who will in peoples hearts go down as the greatest of all time and who at the time was showing signs of parkinson's.

Showing signs of Parkinson's? That's 20/20 hindsight at it's best. Do you seriously think Holmes knew that Ali was going to develop Parkinson's? Did anyone at all comment on these so called early signs before the fight, 4 years before he was actually diagnosed?
Given the way Ali behaved towards Frazier, Patterson and others in the past I'm not too torn up about Holmes taunting him.

While no one mentioned Parkinson's, it was obvious that Ali's speech was seriously slurred during the lead-up to the Holmes' fight. So some form of neurological damage was already evident.
At his prefight checkout at the esteemed Mayo Clinic, Ali admitted his speech was slurred but argued that it only occured when he was fatigued. Clinic doctors also reported that in facile tests, Ali exhibited some coordination problems that were unusual for a world-class athlete.
Despite what was in the report, the Nevada State Athletic Commission somehow okayed the fight.

Johnny Owen vs Pintor.

Owen was outmatched, yet still took the fight to Pintor. Very tragic ending.

Gatti v Mayweather and Gatti v Gomez wernt easy viewing for me.

SenorPipino wrote:

hhaehre wrote:

CrazyHorse wrote: I get mad when people thinks its ok to showboat to a living legend and a guy who will in peoples hearts go down as the greatest of all time and who at the time was showing signs of parkinson's.

Showing signs of Parkinson's? That's 20/20 hindsight at it's best. Do you seriously think Holmes knew that Ali was going to develop Parkinson's? Did anyone at all comment on these so called early signs before the fight, 4 years before he was actually diagnosed?
Given the way Ali behaved towards Frazier, Patterson and others in the past I'm not too torn up about Holmes taunting him.

While no one mentioned Parkinson's, it was obvious that Ali's speech was seriously slurred during the lead-up to the Holmes' fight. So some form of neurological damage was already evident.
At his prefight checkout at the esteemed Mayo Clinic, Ali admitted his speech was slurred but argued that it only occured when he was fatigued. Clinic doctors also reported that in facile tests, Ali exhibited some coordination problems that were unusual for a world-class athlete.
Despite what was in the report, the Nevada State Athletic Commission somehow okayed the fight.

Sure, this is all true and it is in fact true for a considerable number of fighters. Guys with slurred speech fight all the time and although you could argue that many of them should not have been licensed you can't put any kind of responsibility on their opponents to go easy on them or treat them with some extra measure of respect.

Hhaere----
I wasn't commenting on whether Holmes should have gone easy on Ali or cut out the showboating. It was a licensed fight and Holmes could do what he pleased.
I was merely suggesting that while Parkinsons had yet to be diagnosed, Ali was already exhibiting signs of some neurological disorder and it was undoubtedly known within the boxing grapevine. So it wasn't quite "20-20 hindsight" at the time. Everyone knew Ali had a problem. Only the particulars were a mystery.

SenorPipino wrote:... while Parkinsons had yet to be diagnosed ...

as far as i know he was never diagnosed
with parkinson's disease ...

when audley Harrison gets in the ring it is a very sad moment for boxing

The Champ

Always seems like I have been cutting onions

The Insider wrote:Gatti v Mayweather and Gatti v Gomez wernt easy viewing for me.

Me neither

misterpunch wrote:when audley Harrison gets in the ring it is a very sad moment for boxing

x 100,000

I think he's going to get seriously hurt one of these years.

Breland v Honeyghan

Just think in his day Lloyd could have won that fight. And there he was getting bounced around.

kostya tszyu vs ricky hatton. that final round where kt didn't leave the stool. where i was waiting for that one clean shot the entire fight, Only to realise KT went for that one fight too many