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Its not just availability of protein that determines height an over abundance of it will make people taller.

We need a Super heavyweight division it's getting ridiculous some Cruisers moving up fighting Vitali etc someone will get hurt

matko wrote:We need a Super heavyweight division it's getting ridiculous some Cruisers moving up fighting Vitali etc someone will get hurt

TopGun wrote:I think that a Super Heavy division will need to be put in place soon. Generations are getting bigger and taller. It will not be safe. There is a massive gap between most HW's weight and that of someone who just tips over cruiserweight limit but cannot drain themselves to make the CW limit anymore.

Most HW's are now 17 stone +

I agree with you both

rm1 wrote:Its not just availability of protein that determines height an over abundance of it will make people taller.

An over abundance of protein has no effect on height. The only effect it ever has it to make your piss expensively high in protein.

(The maximum amount of protein your body can absorb and utilize each day is 0.91 g per pound of body weight. For example, a 150-lb. person's body could digest and absorb up to 136 g of protein per day).

Clint Magnum wrote:

rm1 wrote:Its not just availability of protein that determines height an over abundance of it will make people taller.

An over abundance of protein has no effect on height. The only effect it ever has it to make your piss expensively high in protein.

(The maximum amount of protein your body can absorb and utilize each day is 0.91 g per pound of body weight. For example, a 150-lb. person's body could digest and absorb up to 136 g of protein per day).

I didn't realise that, it's surprisingly little, we eat far more than that; isn't it wasteful?

Clint Magnum wrote:

rm1 wrote:Its not just availability of protein that determines height an over abundance of it will make people taller.

An over abundance of protein has no effect on height. The only effect it ever has it to make your piss expensively high in protein.

(The maximum amount of protein your body can absorb and utilize each day is 0.91 g per pound of body weight. For example, a 150-lb. person's body could digest and absorb up to 136 g of protein per day).

So the rise of the 6'5'' athletic heavyweight is just a myth then?

polecateddy wrote:

Clint Magnum wrote:

rm1 wrote:Its not just availability of protein that determines height an over abundance of it will make people taller.

An over abundance of protein has no effect on height. The only effect it ever has it to make your piss expensively high in protein.

(The maximum amount of protein your body can absorb and utilize each day is 0.91 g per pound of body weight. For example, a 150-lb. person's body could digest and absorb up to 136 g of protein per day).

So the rise of the 6'5'' athletic heavyweight is just a myth then?

Yes.
And even if one was to concede they did exist, it would not be at the behest of eating more protein but other external factors (such as the availability of more micro nutrient rich food and supplements and advancements in medicine). The above facts are universally accepted in any university literature fella.

palooka wrote:

Clint Magnum wrote:

rm1 wrote:Its not just availability of protein that determines height an over abundance of it will make people taller.

An over abundance of protein has no effect on height. The only effect it ever has it to make your piss expensively high in protein.

(The maximum amount of protein your body can absorb and utilize each day is 0.91 g per pound of body weight. For example, a 150-lb. person's body could digest and absorb up to 136 g of protein per day).

I didn't realise that, it's surprisingly little, we eat far more than that; isn't it wasteful?

Well yes in a word. But the supplement industry aren't going to advertise the fact.
Reality is that the only people who can absorb any more vast amounts of protein are those taking steroids, which aid protein absorbtion and synthesis in scales off the chart, hence the huge size gains and recovery ability.

Clint

That 136g of protein absorbed that you quote...does that translate directly to body weight? So you absorb 136g of protein...and theoretically gain 136g in weight? Obviously, that's simplifying it. But for us lay men.

Thanks for the insight...

Ezzard wrote:Clint

That 136g of protein absorbed that you quote...does that translate directly to body weight? So you absorb 136g of protein...and theoretically gain 136g in weight? Obviously, that's simplifying it. But for us lay men.

Thanks for the insight...

No. Weight gain is not linked to the grammes of protein absorbed. There are many impact factors such as how hard you train the muscles, how efficiently you train and recover and the remainder of your diet. However muscle gain is nigh on impossible without a high protein diet. Its just that the amount needed is greatly exaggerated.

Clint Magnum wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Clint

That 136g of protein absorbed that you quote...does that translate directly to body weight? So you absorb 136g of protein...and theoretically gain 136g in weight? Obviously, that's simplifying it. But for us lay men.

Thanks for the insight...

No. Weight gain is not linked to the grammes of protein absorbed. There are many impact factors such as how hard you train the muscles, how efficiently you train and recover and the remainder of your diet. However muscle gain is nigh on impossible without a high protein diet. Its just that the amount is greatly exaggerated.

So how much of that 136g could be converted? And how much protein do you need to eat to absorb that 136g?

Apologies for all the questions. Just interesting to me, hope you don’t mind.

That is the total amount that is converted.
By asking how much that weight is in protein needed I assume you mean how much food? That differs on the food. All food will clearly label its protein content.
Whey protein powders are really only helpful if you're on steroids as you can then absorb much more of the protein. But for the healthy adult a diet high in white meat such (chicken, turkey,etc) fish and lean red meat and eggs (omelettes, poached, scrambled etc) , supported with fruit and vegetables throughout the day will serve as an excellent engine room for growth.
Personally, I always topped up through the day with good old milk to ensure enough protein.

Clint, I’m not trying to bulk up…just interested.

Ezzard wrote:Clint, I’m not trying to bulk up…just interested.

No worries. A high protein diet isn't really just about bulking up, that's also down to calorie intake and weight training.
High protein, moderate carb diets are excellent for regeneration of tissues, tendons and most cells after workouts. The problem with a lot of today's heavyweights is that you can tell they eat way too many carbs/fat and that extra weight impedes perfomance, movement and reflexes all of which are detrimental to a boxer. Yes it gives them more weight to transfer into a punch if they punch correctly but I feel the disadvantages outweigh the advantage. I would suggest the older fighters and todays Holyfields, Haye, Tyson, Povetkin, Wilder etc pretty much prove this. Very few behemoths punch their weight and if they do they can't do it for long. The exception being Klitschkos.

MachoMan09 wrote:Clint, approximately 5-7% of protein you eat is wasted (ends up in your faeces) however much you consume up until the point that maximum absorption is achieved. The rest is all wasted, like you say. So using your 150lb example human, I would suggest that he would need to consume a little more protein than you suggest in order to hit his magic number.

So you really only need a small amount of protein to hit that figure...

protein as a child affects height though it is not the only factor it is true in other animals too eg dogs if this is not the case how do you explain rising height lonfg after nutritional adequacy had been reached?

~130g of protein is still quite a bit to consume in a day.

one chicken breast is about 30g of protein for example.
I think a single whole egg only gives about 10g.

Also, the magic number of how much protein to consume is still massively debated. There are a tonne of studies out there on protein consumption and exercise, but I don't think any have arrived on an exact figure.

It doesn't help that the fitness industry is saturated by pseudoscience. With people plugging supplements and fitness advice intended to make them look like gurus that you should trust... when the reality is that the human body is too complex for anyone to have arrived at one-size fits all methods.

Ezzard wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:Clint, approximately 5-7% of protein you eat is wasted (ends up in your faeces) however much you consume up until the point that maximum absorption is achieved. The rest is all wasted, like you say. So using your 150lb example human, I would suggest that he would need to consume a little more protein than you suggest in order to hit his magic number.

So you really only need a small amount of protein to hit that figure...

136g of protein is actually quite a lot for most people's diets. Most high protein foods are usually at best around 20/30g of protein per 100g.

Benelio wrote:~130g of protein is still quite a bit to consume in a day.

one chicken breast is about 30g of protein for example.
I think a single whole egg only gives about 10g.

Also, the magic number of how much protein to consume is still massively debated. There are a tonne of studies out there on protein consumption and exercise, but I don't think any have arrived on an exact figure.

It doesn't help that the fitness industry is saturated by pseudoscience. With people plugging supplements and fitness advice intended to make them look like gurus that you should trust... when the reality is that the human body is too complex for anyone to have arrived at one-size fits all methods.

Indeed. Very few of these gurus ever factor people's individual metabolism also. The RDA of most of their vitamins supplements is also miniscule compared to the amount needed for a male who exercises daily.
As for protein absorbtion, its not a "magic number", its just the most recent studies from Cambridge and LA Universities which give their current opinions. Fairly credible sources which was why I brought them to the forum, but I do agree its subjective.

Clint, I'm really enjoying your posts.

I for one have to admit I prefer the slick, fast, technically adept athletic heavyweights of yesteryear than the ponderous power mad mastodons lumbering around today.

Do you have any theories on how a pair of men around 40 like the Klitschko brothers can be gaining muscle mass? It seems their bodies should be breaking down at this point but instead they are becoming magically bigger and stronger, albeit against the worst opposition ever seen.

Do you have any idea how they do this?

I've read through this thread and it is interesting - food for thought

Pound for pound, the hardest punches in the world is a rare tribe of Amazonian pygmies. You could fling those nasty little fuckers in with some gadgie twice their size and they would make him give best.

There is useful height and weight. Compare a 220 lb Ali, at 6 4" to vitali or wlad, would you really pick either man to beat him?

forcefraser wrote:Pound for pound, the hardest punches in the world is a rare tribe of Amazonian pygmies. You could fling those nasty little fuckers in with some gadgie twice their size and they would make him give best.

What, off a catapult?

palooka wrote:

forcefraser wrote:Pound for pound, the hardest punches in the world is a rare tribe of Amazonian pygmies. You could fling those nasty little fuckers in with some gadgie twice their size and they would make him give best.

What, off a catapult?

A catapult could be used, but I would go for the "leg and arm" technique and just fling them in like a cloth sack.