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lusop wrote:Mitchell v Gary Sykes i believe

Since when has Gary Sykes been a lightweight?

I agreed with the OP really not a fan of this trend of guys topping the bill in their first fight.

Smacks of putting short term gain ahead of steady career progression.

mickey1975 wrote:

ajwesty13 wrote:think the undercard itself will help to sell the event .. its only just over 20,000 and i think selby. mitchell and a possible Campbell on the bill would fill that....

Mitchell will do 20,000 now? He did a lot less against Katsidis in his back yard when he was at the peak of his popularity.

Thought there was 20,000 in for the Katsidis fight?

expe wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:

ajwesty13 wrote:think the undercard itself will help to sell the event .. its only just over 20,000 and i think selby. mitchell and a possible Campbell on the bill would fill that....

Mitchell will do 20,000 now? He did a lot less against Katsidis in his back yard when he was at the peak of his popularity.

Thought there was 20,000 in for the Katsidis fight?

I don't think there was. 12-15 I would guess.

Deano s wrote:who do we want for his first fight ? a Latvian lemming a Hungarian hairdresser or a lowly ranked brit ?

if the show is called Carpe Diem does that mean they are going to seize the Day and put him strait in for a title or a Latvian lemming a Hungarian hairdresser or a lowly ranked brit :?? :?? :??

I don't really understand the point of a debutant headlining against some jobber who he's going to win against. I'd much rather see him as a chief support of a 50/50 fight.

Weirdyman wrote:I don't really understand the point of a debutant headlining against some jobber who he's going to win against. I'd much rather see him as a chief support of a 50/50 fight.

x2

mickey1975 wrote:

expe wrote:

mickey1975 wrote: Mitchell will do 20,000 now? He did a lot less against Katsidis in his back yard when he was at the peak of his popularity.

Thought there was 20,000 in for the Katsidis fight?

I don't think there was. 12-15 I would guess.

Suppose it's hard to tell, the Boleyn Ground holds 35,000 plus seating on the pitch so it's hard to make an accurate judgement of how many are in if you don't know the ground well.

Deano s wrote:who do we want for his first fight ? a Latvian lemming a Hungarian hairdresser or a lowly ranked brit ?

Don't matter really? A pro debut is just about getting experience. Learning what fighting as a professional is all about. The first 10-ish fights are like that, of course. But ideally, with each opponent the test gets slightly more difficult. Whether that be a journeyman who is hard to knock out, or a person with an undefeated record who'll give it a go, but has no punching power, the idea is the early fights are supposed to gain experience. The pro debut itself is pretty much just getting the experience of being in the ring for the first time, and can be against any old idiot.

Carpe dieme - crap idea

Bennyblanco wrote:Selby v ryan walsh is a good scrap on the card, hopefully mitchell will fight someone decent maybe rees, crolla, matthews etc?

I did think it was strange to have this fight at the o2 would have thought Wembley arena made more sense to be honest, but having read that its just the lower tiers open initially it makes a bit more sense. I don't think Selby sells any tickets, I literally didn't see a single person supporting him out in Belfast, and watching on TV the Hull card it looked like the total of his support was a couple of blokes with a Welsh flag. Which is a real shame as he deserves a home town following. I think I read something a while back about how Hearn was going to give him a fight in Wales to try and develop more support but I assume that went out the water when Rees lost who he presumably would have shared a card with.

Walsh will shift some tickets, they are always really well supported and this being a big fight should be even more so. Wonder if either of his other brothers will be on the card too?

Mitchell does ok for shifting tickets, so given a good opponent that will be a load more. Did someone say Camacho was on the bill too? I think he shifts some as would Evangelou but I assume its going to be too soon for Ochieng and Ryder. Even so I don't see this being especially full - none of my mates seem especially excited about going which I normally use as my gage for how popular the events going to be.

Tom Dallas would be a good fight for Joshua

mfc_se15 wrote:

Bennyblanco wrote:Selby v ryan walsh is a good scrap on the card, hopefully mitchell will fight someone decent maybe rees, crolla, matthews etc?

I did think it was strange to have this fight at the o2 would have thought Wembley arena made more sense to be honest, but having read that its just the lower tiers open initially it makes a bit more sense. I don't think Selby sells any tickets, I literally didn't see a single person supporting him out in Belfast, and watching on TV the Hull card it looked like the total of his support was a couple of blokes with a Welsh flag. Which is a real shame as he deserves a home town following. I think I read something a while back about how Hearn was going to give him a fight in Wales to try and develop more support but I assume that went out the water when Rees lost who he presumably would have shared a card with.

Walsh will shift some tickets, they are always really well supported and this being a big fight should be even more so. Wonder if either of his other brothers will be on the card too?

Mitchell does ok for shifting tickets, so given a good opponent that will be a load more. Did someone say Camacho was on the bill too? I think he shifts some as would Evangelou but I assume its going to be too soon for Ochieng and Ryder. Even so I don't see this being especially full - none of my mates seem especially excited about going which I normally use as my gage for how popular the events going to be.

Liam won't be , he's still with Frank, think he's on the copper box show, Michael could be though.

MachoMan09 wrote:

bigB wrote:Tom Dallas would be a good fight for Joshua

Not first up. Even with amateurs oozing pedigree, I'd always advocate a knock-over job for their pro début.

dallas is nothing

ud expect the Olympic champ to easily beat him.

mfc_se15 wrote:

Bennyblanco wrote:Selby v ryan walsh is a good scrap on the card, hopefully mitchell will fight someone decent maybe rees, crolla, matthews etc?

I did think it was strange to have this fight at the o2 would have thought Wembley arena made more sense to be honest, but having read that its just the lower tiers open initially it makes a bit more sense. I don't think Selby sells any tickets, I literally didn't see a single person supporting him out in Belfast, and watching on TV the Hull card it looked like the total of his support was a couple of blokes with a Welsh flag. Which is a real shame as he deserves a home town following. I think I read something a while back about how Hearn was going to give him a fight in Wales to try and develop more support but I assume that went out the water when Rees lost who he presumably would have shared a card with.

Walsh will shift some tickets, they are always really well supported and this being a big fight should be even more so. Wonder if either of his other brothers will be on the card too?

Mitchell does ok for shifting tickets, so given a good opponent that will be a load more. Did someone say Camacho was on the bill too? I think he shifts some as would Evangelou but I assume its going to be too soon for Ochieng and Ryder. Even so I don't see this being especially full - none of my mates seem especially excited about going which I normally use as my gage for how popular the events going to be.

Considering those fights are in Belfast and Hull i'm not suprised if it was in Cardiff you would see the support Hearn said that Cardiff don't sell tickets, but for the Bolton bill which was going to be in Cardiff they only got 3k if that and he didn't think Cardiff would sell that many which is a joke IMO.

I wouldn't want to see Tom in there with Joshua to be honest. Dallas has no confidence whatsoever and I actually think he should retire.

Rees defending his World title against Kotelnik was a terrible attendance. Less than a thousand, I think.

WelshJack wrote:

mfc_se15 wrote:

Bennyblanco wrote:Selby v ryan walsh is a good scrap on the card, hopefully mitchell will fight someone decent maybe rees, crolla, matthews etc?

I did think it was strange to have this fight at the o2 would have thought Wembley arena made more sense to be honest, but having read that its just the lower tiers open initially it makes a bit more sense. I don't think Selby sells any tickets, I literally didn't see a single person supporting him out in Belfast, and watching on TV the Hull card it looked like the total of his support was a couple of blokes with a Welsh flag. Which is a real shame as he deserves a home town following. I think I read something a while back about how Hearn was going to give him a fight in Wales to try and develop more support but I assume that went out the water when Rees lost who he presumably would have shared a card with.

Walsh will shift some tickets, they are always really well supported and this being a big fight should be even more so. Wonder if either of his other brothers will be on the card too?

Mitchell does ok for shifting tickets, so given a good opponent that will be a load more. Did someone say Camacho was on the bill too? I think he shifts some as would Evangelou but I assume its going to be too soon for Ochieng and Ryder. Even so I don't see this being especially full - none of my mates seem especially excited about going which I normally use as my gage for how popular the events going to be.

Considering those fights are in Belfast and Hull i'm not suprised if it was in Cardiff you would see the support Hearn said that Cardiff don't sell tickets, but for the Bolton bill which was going to be in Cardiff they only got 3k if that and he didn't think Cardiff would sell that many which is a joke IMO.

I agree I think its a shame he hasn't had a chance to build up some home support so that at least when he did eventually have these fights in places like Belfast/Hull he was taking a few hundred etc with him.

He has boxed in Newport loads of times, including a defence of the Commonwealth straight after bearing Smith and Simpson. Eddie will know if he can sell or not.

lillywhite14 wrote:I wouldn't want to see Tom in there with Joshua to be honest. Dallas has no confidence whatsoever and I actually think he should retire.

Tom put in a good nights work in his first fight back for over a year why would you be calling for him to retire after that he can still do something domestically

http://youtu.be/b_Tuz0aUFn4

mickey1975 wrote:He has boxed in Newport loads of times, including a defence of the Commonwealth straight after bearing Smith and Simpson. Eddie will know if he can sell or not.

That is different because he was hardly known then and in Cardiff with Rees and a few of the prospects like Joshua and Campbell it would get 5k easily.

WelshJack wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:He has boxed in Newport loads of times, including a defence of the Commonwealth straight after bearing Smith and Simpson. Eddie will know if he can sell or not.

That is different because he was hardly known then and in Cardiff with Rees and a few of the prospects like Joshua and Campbell it would get 5k easily.

Tony Doherty sold a lot of tickets and was in a welsh derby, Rees was defending a world title, more welsh prospects plus Kell Brook and Ricky Burns and the show badly flopped. I remember being surprised at how few were there.

mickey1975 wrote:

WelshJack wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:He has boxed in Newport loads of times, including a defence of the Commonwealth straight after bearing Smith and Simpson. Eddie will know if he can sell or not.

That is different because he was hardly known then and in Cardiff with Rees and a few of the prospects like Joshua and Campbell it would get 5k easily.

Tony Doherty sold a lot of tickets and was in a welsh derby, Rees was defending a world title, more welsh prospects plus Kell Brook and Ricky Burns and the show badly flopped. I remember being surprised at how few were there.

That was one time look at attendances in Cardiff for Cleverly's fights.

Deano s wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:I wouldn't want to see Tom in there with Joshua to be honest. Dallas has no confidence whatsoever and I actually think he should retire.

Tom put in a good nights work in his first fight back for over a year why would you be calling for him to retire after that he can still do something domestically

http://youtu.be/b_Tuz0aUFn4

It was the Skelton fight and prizefighter which made me think he should maybe turn it in.
I would love to see him do something domestically but think as soon as he is in with someone with a bit of ambition it will all go wrong again.

WelshJack wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:

WelshJack wrote: That is different because he was hardly known then and in Cardiff with Rees and a few of the prospects like Joshua and Campbell it would get 5k easily.

Tony Doherty sold a lot of tickets and was in a welsh derby, Rees was defending a world title, more welsh prospects plus Kell Brook and Ricky Burns and the show badly flopped. I remember being surprised at how few were there.

That was one time look at attendances in Cardiff for Cleverly's fights.

He's a world champion and he struggles to pull in 5,000.