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DMA1987 wrote:

columbo wrote:
Jeff lacy wasnt that great of an amateur. He went to the olympics but he didnt win f all.

Ok Columbo if you think he wasn't. Why not replace him with one of the many other Great Amateur/Average Pro boxers.

The point is there, no matter how pedantic you want to be.

I wasnt actually. I was just saying that Lacy wasnt that great of an amateur. Harrison yes and there's been other olympic gold medallists but Lacy doesnt fit in that category.

DMA1987 wrote:Really? I mean really?

A bit of a stretch that one Mickey. Why does Gavin deserve his 'world class' threads like have been on here? Your guilty of the same thing your knocking.

What win does Brook have that is clearly better than Gavin's wins against Vassell or Witter? Hatton? Jones?

He's a 9 year, 30 fight pro and hasn't fought for a world title or against anyone above domestic level. Even Hatton was moved faster when VVarren was milking him at the MEN.

Horse wrote:What win does Brook have that is clearly better than Gavin's wins against Vassell or Witter? Hatton? Jones?

Well the murderers row that Vassell had faced off with before Gavin is hard to match, but I would honestly say Hatton, Jackiewicz (sp) and Ndou are three. Maybe even Jones and Saldivia.

Not massively so, but they stack up to that win.

DMA1987 wrote:

Horse wrote:What win does Brook have that is clearly better than Gavin's wins against Vassell or Witter? Hatton? Jones?

Well the murderers row that Vassell had faced off with before Gavin is hard to match, but I would honestly say Hatton, Jackiewicz (sp) and Ndou are three. Maybe even Jones and Saldivia.

Not massively so, but they stack up to that win.

And yet Brook has had nearly double the number of fights.....

columbo wrote:

DMA1987 wrote:

Horse wrote:What win does Brook have that is clearly better than Gavin's wins against Vassell or Witter? Hatton? Jones?

Well the murderers row that Vassell had faced off with before Gavin is hard to match, but I would honestly say Hatton, Jackiewicz (sp) and Ndou are three. Maybe even Jones and Saldivia.

Not massively so, but they stack up to that win.

And yet Brook has had nearly double the number of fights.....

So Gavin is better right? Brook is younger too.

Gavin is less proven, but people are all over him like a rash, and are the ones who criticize any Brook love people have.

columbo wrote:

DMA1987 wrote:

Horse wrote:What win does Brook have that is clearly better than Gavin's wins against Vassell or Witter? Hatton? Jones?

Well the murderers row that Vassell had faced off with before Gavin is hard to match, but I would honestly say Hatton, Jackiewicz (sp) and Ndou are three. Maybe even Jones and Saldivia.

Not massively so, but they stack up to that win.

And yet Brook has had nearly double the number of fights.....

So Gavin is better right? Brook is younger too.

Gavin is less proven, but people are all over him like a rash, and are the ones who criticize any Brook love people have.[/quote]


No im saying that Brooks opposition upto now isnt that much better than Gavins and yet he's had nearly double the number of fights and turned pro about 4 years earlier!

columbo wrote:
No im saying that Brooks opposition upto now isnt that much better than Gavins and yet he's had nearly double the number of fights and turned pro about 4 years earlier!

So Gavin beats the people (worse) that are put in front of his and gets called world class, Brook does the same (at a higher level) and isn't?

Vassell was a good win. Brook has consistently fought people of that level and higher, Gavin has fought one.

DMA1987 wrote:

columbo wrote:
No im saying that Brooks opposition upto now isnt that much better than Gavins and yet he's had nearly double the number of fights and turned pro about 4 years earlier!

So Gavin beats the people (worse) that are put in front of his and gets called world class, Brook does the same (at a higher level) and isn't?

Vassell was a good win. Brook has consistently fought people of that level and higher, Gavin has fought one.

So who has Brook fought that was better than Junior Witter?

columbo wrote:

DMA1987 wrote:

columbo wrote:
No im saying that Brooks opposition upto now isnt that much better than Gavins and yet he's had nearly double the number of fights and turned pro about 4 years earlier!

So Gavin beats the people (worse) that are put in front of his and gets called world class, Brook does the same (at a higher level) and isn't?

Vassell was a good win. Brook has consistently fought people of that level and higher, Gavin has fought one.

So who has Brook fought that was better than Junior Witter?

Oh come on Lefty.

columbo wrote:

DMA1987 wrote:

columbo wrote:
No im saying that Brooks opposition upto now isnt that much better than Gavins and yet he's had nearly double the number of fights and turned pro about 4 years earlier!

So Gavin beats the people (worse) that are put in front of his and gets called world class, Brook does the same (at a higher level) and isn't?

Vassell was a good win. Brook has consistently fought people of that level and higher, Gavin has fought one.

So who has Brook fought that was better than Junior Witter?

Oh come on Lefty.[/quote]


Well no its a completely valid point. Your argument might be that Witter is past his best but then the counter argument to that would be well isnt Senchenko getting a shot at Brook because he beat a past his best Hatton?

columbo wrote:
Well no its a completely valid point. Your argument might be that Witter is past his best but then the counter argument to that would be well isnt Senchenko getting a shot at Brook because he beat a past his best Hatton?

5/6 years ago it was a valid point.

Of course he is, I don't really see the point. Beating a past his best Hatton didn't make Senchenko a great fighter.

DMA1987 wrote:

columbo wrote:
Well no its a completely valid point. Your argument might be that Witter is past his best but then the counter argument to that would be well isnt Senchenko getting a shot at Brook because he beat a past his best Hatton?

5/6 years ago it was a valid point.

Of course he is, I don't really see the point. Beating a past his best Hatton didn't make Senchenko a great fighter.

The point is obvious.

even though only Brook and close to him that know why he pulled out of the Alexander fight.. however i tend to believe the camp and reasons of reoccurring ankle injury ... but i can understand why people may think he career has been very much stop more than go... and his record unfortunately has no real world class quality...

maybe for me not so much boring but 'frustrating' ... i do think he is a good fighter and his next fight needs to be a title shot... if its not then i will finally need to lean towards the boring side.....

columbo wrote:

DMA1987 wrote:

columbo wrote:
Well no its a completely valid point. Your argument might be that Witter is past his best but then the counter argument to that would be well isnt Senchenko getting a shot at Brook because he beat a past his best Hatton?

5/6 years ago it was a valid point.

Of course he is, I don't really see the point. Beating a past his best Hatton didn't make Senchenko a great fighter.

The point is obvious.

Ok pal

People on here close to Witter said he was in superb shape for Gavin and predicted a ko win... The same Witter who beat a lot better version of Ndou, who is named as one of Brooks best wins! I don't see what Kell has to trouble Frankie with. He is not a murderous puncher and Gavin looks to have a good chin.

mickey1975 wrote:People on here close to Witter said he was in superb shape for Gavin and predicted a ko win... The same Witter who beat a lot better version of Ndou, who is named as one of Brooks best wins! I don't see what Kell has to trouble Frankie with. He is not a murderous puncher and Gavin looks to have a good chin.

He's got a good chin and you've actually got to hit him to hurt him which isn't exactly easy.

DMA1987 wrote:

Horse wrote:What win does Brook have that is clearly better than Gavin's wins against Vassell or Witter? Hatton? Jones?

Well the murderers row that Vassell had faced off with before Gavin is hard to match, but I would honestly say Hatton, Jackiewicz (sp) and Ndou are three. Maybe even Jones and Saldivia.

Not massively so, but they stack up to that win.

Saldivia was pathetic, he fell over off a jab, Jones would have lost to Dean Byrne if he'd had a few more days notice. I would add Mike Jennings to that list though.

expe wrote:

DMA1987 wrote:

Horse wrote:What win does Brook have that is clearly better than Gavin's wins against Vassell or Witter? Hatton? Jones?

Well the murderers row that Vassell had faced off with before Gavin is hard to match, but I would honestly say Hatton, Jackiewicz (sp) and Ndou are three. Maybe even Jones and Saldivia.

Not massively so, but they stack up to that win.

Saldivia was pathetic, he fell over off a jab, Jones would have lost to Dean Byrne if he'd had a few more days notice. I would add Mike Jennings to that list though.

Good call. Jennings is probably his best win. It was inconclusive though.

mickey1975 wrote:People on here close to Witter said he was in superb shape for Gavin and predicted a ko win... The same Witter who beat a lot better version of Ndou, who is named as one of Brooks best wins! I don't see what Kell has to trouble Frankie with. He is not a murderous puncher and Gavin looks to have a good chin.

The same Witter who drew with Hatton? The same Hatton that Brook destroyed?

DMA1987 wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:People on here close to Witter said he was in superb shape for Gavin and predicted a ko win... The same Witter who beat a lot better version of Ndou, who is named as one of Brooks best wins! I don't see what Kell has to trouble Frankie with. He is not a murderous puncher and Gavin looks to have a good chin.

The same Witter who drew with Hatton? The same Hatton that Brook destroyed?

Sorry pal, you've lost me. When did either Hatton draw with Witter?

DMA1987 wrote:The same Witter who drew with Hatton? The same Hatton that Brook destroyed?

mickey1975 wrote:

DMA1987 wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:People on here close to Witter said he was in superb shape for Gavin and predicted a ko win... The same Witter who beat a lot better version of Ndou, who is named as one of Brooks best wins! I don't see what Kell has to trouble Frankie with. He is not a murderous puncher and Gavin looks to have a good chin.

The same Witter who drew with Hatton? The same Hatton that Brook destroyed?

Sorry pal, you've lost me. When did either Hatton draw with Witter?

Doh

mickey1975 wrote:

DMA1987 wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:People on here close to Witter said he was in superb shape for Gavin and predicted a ko win... The same Witter who beat a lot better version of Ndou, who is named as one of Brooks best wins! I don't see what Kell has to trouble Frankie with. He is not a murderous puncher and Gavin looks to have a good chin.

The same Witter who drew with Hatton? The same Hatton that Brook destroyed?

Sorry pal, you've lost me. When did either Hatton draw with Witter?

I have no excuse, Crack has got me crazy.

senchenko was world champ and brook gets criticised for boxing him.....world-class gavin (older than brook) will fight bradley skeete next( ranked 189 in the world) and no-0ne bats an eyelid...only on t'internet...