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columbo wrote:Samuel Peter was probably a better fighter than Del Boy and he still lost to Wlad twice.

Peter easily hits harder than Chisora but 'better'? I'd have to disagree. Peter lost the first Wlad fight because of his own appalling physical condition, overweight, huffing and puffing with his jaw hanging down from very early. An unforgivable loss really since Wlad looked on the brink of another implosion several times.

For the rematch Peter was a totally spent force and hadn't done anything impressive in years. He surrended pathetically to big brother in a way Chisora would never do. He was again overweight.

All that being said, Chisora himself might be permanently dented after the Haye demolition.

danconnollyeire wrote: yep I like Chisora as a fighter but he doesn't even have half the fitness as someone like Frazier had. I don't get how boxing can be your full time job, yet you aren't as slim and fit as you could be. esp when fighting for world titles! If he had Fraziers fitness in todays HW scene, he wouldn't be far off being a world beater

NO heavyweights are in shape anymore! When was the last time you saw a lean Frazier type in peak condition fighting at that kamikaze pace? They all have soft bodies and big bellies. Wlad and Haye at least look the part but neither man can stomach a pace.

The mind boggles at these modern mastodon heayweight 'athletes'.

Asterix wrote: I understand where you're coming from, but Chisora is not fast enough or good enough to do what you're saying. Wlad's a good athlete and should have no problem keeping his distance; something he has just about mastered now.

How do you explain him being good enough to do it vs Vitali then? Wlad has been feasting on fat, lazy tubs of shit who won't set a pace. Dereck would make him work, and to keep his distance Wlad would need to work too. (ie, actually throw more than 15 jabs a round instead of standing there like a robot staring at his tub of shit opponent and winning by default on ring generalship).

Anyway, I doubt the fight happens, although I suppose this latest episode gives it some back story. Great shame it didn't happen when it was supposed to.

You can't use the Vitali fight to gauge how well Del will do against Wlad. Vitali is utterly finished. No power left and slow as hell these days.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

Asterix wrote: I understand where you're coming from, but Chisora is not fast enough or good enough to do what you're saying. Wlad's a good athlete and should have no problem keeping his distance; something he has just about mastered now.

How do you explain him being good enough to do it vs Vitali then? Wlad has been feasting on fat, lazy tubs of poo who won't set a pace. Dereck would make him work, and to keep his distance Wlad would need to work too. (ie, actually throw more than 15 jabs a round instead of standing there like a robot staring at his tub of poo opponent and winning by default on ring generalship).

Anyway, I doubt the fight happens, although I suppose this latest episode gives it some back story. Great shame it didn't happen when it was supposed to.

I already told you. Wlad would just tie Chisora up when he got close.

Karl Jade wrote:You can't use the Vitali fight to gauge how well Del will do against Wlad. Vitali is utterly finished. No power left and slow as hell these days.

X2 .... he's not the same fighter he was. I dont think he hits as hard as Wlad either. Chris Byrd who fought both of the brothers said something along the lines of "Vitali wears you down but Wladimir hits harder, there's no comparison".

rio wrote:I would fancy del boy to take him in a street fight.....a boxing match no chance tho!

I wouldnt wlad used to be world kickboxing champion too lol

Finn wrote:

rio wrote:I would fancy del boy to take him in a street fight.....a boxing match no chance tho!

I wouldnt wlad used to be world kickboxing champion too lol

I think that was Vitali mate. Vitali started off in kickboxing and then switched over to boxing. I think Wlad has always been a boxer to my knowledge.

Chisora hasn't a cat in hell's chance against Wlad. All this talk of pressure fighting, what nonsense, Chisora is slow, telegraphs his shots, and throws far too few to put Wlad under any kind of pressure. Even if he did, he would get his head jabbed off and then tied up.

This will be one sided for as long as it lasts if it happens.

Chisora is durable, that's about it, sure he showed Helenius up, but then Helenius, like most of the rest of the division, is poor.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Chisora hasn't a cat in hell's chance against Wlad. All this talk of pressure fighting, what nonsense, Chisora is slow, telegraphs his shots, and throws far too few to put Wlad under any kind of pressure. Even if he did, he would get his head jabbed off and then tied up.

This will be one sided for as long as it lasts if it happens.

Chisora is durable, that's about it, sure he showed Helenius up, but then Helenius, like most of the rest of the division, is poor.

And Robert fought with a broken hand from the second round or so,and Vitali had a knackered shoulder or something in his fight with Dereck

Am I reading this thread correctly?

Did people actually say Chisora stood a chance against Wlad...!!!???

Dear lord...............

I've read it all now

Wrists wrote:Am I reading this thread correctly?

Did people actually say Chisora stood a chance against Wlad...!!!???

Dear lord...............

I've read it all now

It's easier to see a case for Chisora when exaggerating and focusing only on aspects (e.g. qualities, performances, and opponents) that are somewhat favorable to him, while ignoring those seemingly in Wlad's favor.

It's also easier when acting as if Vitali and Wlad are the same fighter, without significant differences in speed, power, footwork, or style; then Chisora must have a great shot against Wlad, as he won a few rounds against Vitali!

What relevance are a bunch of fat old bums to Del Boy? Okay Haye bombed Chisora but styles make fights. Chisora is better than all these guys except Haye, who didn't try

Del Boy's about as fat as any of Wlad's recent opponents, and I don't think he clearly surpasses most of them in ability. Moreover, for all the criticism of Wlad's opponents, his resume is much stronger than Chisora's is, though certain posters seem to highlight flaws only in the former and act as if they strongly support a case for a Chisora win. Can you imagine what those posters would say about Wlad if his best win were over Malik Scott in a fight he was arguably losing; his second best win were arguably over against Sam Sexton; he recently lost widely to an opponent with 14 bouts whose best opponent was John McDermott; and he lost every round prior to being stopped by someone Chisora beat 11-1, 10-2, and 9-3?

I think Haye tried plenty against Wlad, but found it very difficult to land effective blows against a superior heavyweight. If you haven't noticed, Haye tends to fight economically on the back foot, so him fighting that way against Wlad doesn't mean he didn't try.

Going by forum commentary, it would seem the better a fighter gets, the less their opponents try. I suspect that's an illusory correlation stemming from the ability of one fighter impairing the other fighter, making them look poor and lacking in effort when they aren't.

crusader wrote:

Wrists wrote:Am I reading this thread correctly?

Did people actually say Chisora stood a chance against Wlad...!!!???

Dear lord...............

I've read it all now

It's easier to see a case for Chisora when exaggerating and focusing only on aspects (e.g. qualities, performances, and opponents) that are somewhat favorable to him, while ignoring those seemingly in Wlad's favor.

It's also easier when acting as if Vitali and Wlad are the same fighter, without significant differences in speed, power, footwork, or style; then Chisora must have a great shot against Wlad, as he won a few rounds against Vitali!

What relevance are a bunch of fat old bums to Del Boy? Okay Haye bombed Chisora but styles make fights. Chisora is better than all these guys except Haye, who didn't try

Del Boy's about as fat as any of Wlad's recent opponents, and I don't think he clearly surpasses most of them in ability. Moreover, for all the criticism of Wlad's opponents, his resume is much stronger than Chisora's is, though certain posters seem to highlight flaws only in the former and act as if they strongly support a case for a Chisora win. Can you imagine what those posters would say about Wlad if his best win were over Malik Scott in a fight he was arguably losing; his second best win were arguably over against Sam Sexton; he recently lost widely to an opponent with 14 bouts whose best opponent was John McDermott; and he lost every round prior to being stopped by someone Chisora beat 11-1, 10-2, and 9-3?

I think Haye tried plenty against Wlad, but found it very difficult to land effective blows against a superior heavyweight. If you haven't noticed, Haye tends to fight economically on the back foot, so him fighting that way against Wlad doesn't mean he didn't try.

Going by forum commentary, it would seem the better a fighter gets, the less their opponents try. I suspect that's an illusory correlation stemming from the ability of one fighter impairing the other fighter, making them look poor and lacking in effort when they aren't.

Good post. Haye at heavyweight has always known that he hasn't got the duability to ship many shots, and has ALWAYS fought in a very circumspect mannet against naturally bigger, stronger men.. Against wlad, he thought he would have the edge in mobility and handspeed, and found that Wlad's precise footwork negated the former, and in fact held the edge in handspeed, due to the straightness of his shots as compared to Haye's winging punches. When that realisation dawned on him, he looked for opportunities that never came, and wanting to preserve his dignity, fought on the back foot hoping Wlad would leave an opening, and I think after 6-7 rounds resigned himself to defeat, barring an aberrant mistake by Wlad which of course never came.

Wrists wrote:Am I reading this thread correctly?

Did people actually say Chisora stood a chance against Wlad...!!!???

Dear lord...............

I've read it all now

I know, mental isn't it?

columbo wrote:

Finn wrote:

rio wrote:I would fancy del boy to take him in a street fight.....a boxing match no chance tho!

I wouldnt wlad used to be world kickboxing champion too lol

I think that was Vitali mate. Vitali started off in kickboxing and then switched over to boxing. I think Wlad has always been a boxer to my knowledge.

you are right it was vitali he was 6 time world champion in kickboxing

'Klitschko denies Chisora scuffle'

http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post ... ra-scuffle

Finn wrote:

columbo wrote:

Finn wrote: I wouldnt wlad used to be world kickboxing champion too lol

I think that was Vitali mate. Vitali started off in kickboxing and then switched over to boxing. I think Wlad has always been a boxer to my knowledge.

you are right it was vitali he was 6 time world champion in kickboxing

And was KO'd by Pele Reid.

loaded_gloves wrote:

danconnollyeire wrote: yep I like Chisora as a fighter but he doesn't even have half the fitness as someone like Frazier had. I don't get how boxing can be your full time job, yet you aren't as slim and fit as you could be. esp when fighting for world titles! If he had Fraziers fitness in todays HW scene, he wouldn't be far off being a world beater

NO heavyweights are in shape anymore! When was the last time you saw a lean Frazier type in peak condition fighting at that kamikaze pace? They all have soft bodies and big bellies. Wlad and Haye at least look the part but neither man can stomach a pace.

The mind boggles at these modern mastodon heayweight 'athletes'.

Exactly. It's their job and they get paid some $$$$$$$$ for it! If I had a shot at Vitali, I'd train like a friking madman, go off nice food for a few months and fvcking throw 1000000000 punches a round. But as long as DelBoy gets paid eh

Wales wrote:

Finn wrote:

columbo wrote:quote="Finn"
I wouldnt wlad used to be world kickboxing champion too lol /quote
I think that was Vitali mate. Vitali started off in kickboxing and then switched over to boxing. I think Wlad has always been a boxer to my knowledge.

you are right it was vitali he was 6 time world champion in kickboxing

And was KO'd by Pele Reid.

...and lied about it, saying it was a KO due to injury to his leg, when the video proved it was a heavy knockout.

A Liar, and a proven drugs cheat in amateur boxing.

There's video of Pele and Vitali?

Are you sure?

loaded_gloves wrote:There's video of Pele and Vitali?

Are you sure?

yup. someone posted it on CS a few months back

loaded_gloves wrote:

danconnollyeire wrote: yep I like Chisora as a fighter but he doesn't even have half the fitness as someone like Frazier had. I don't get how boxing can be your full time job, yet you aren't as slim and fit as you could be. esp when fighting for world titles! If he had Fraziers fitness in todays HW scene, he wouldn't be far off being a world beater

NO heavyweights are in shape anymore! When was the last time you saw a lean Frazier type in peak condition fighting at that kamikaze pace? They all have soft bodies and big bellies. Wlad and Haye at least look the part but neither man can stomach a pace.

The mind boggles at these modern mastodon heayweight 'athletes'.

Frazier a lean physique? Are you serious? Frazier would be way to small to deal with today's monsters. It would be like Foreman fight every time.

Frazier didn't havea great body anyway. And he wouldn't be a HW today, no chance.

Benelio wrote:...and lied about it, saying it was a KO due to injury to his leg, when the video proved it was a heavy knockout.

A Liar, and a proven drugs cheat in amateur boxing.

Meanwhile Chisoral slaps up a girl, bites an ear, spits in a face, starts a brawl in the press conference after the press conference in which he slapped his opponent in the face.

T.I.B.

reggaereggae wrote:

loaded_gloves wrote:

danconnollyeire wrote: yep I like Chisora as a fighter but he doesn't even have half the fitness as someone like Frazier had. I don't get how boxing can be your full time job, yet you aren't as slim and fit as you could be. esp when fighting for world titles! If he had Fraziers fitness in todays HW scene, he wouldn't be far off being a world beater

NO heavyweights are in shape anymore! When was the last time you saw a lean Frazier type in peak condition fighting at that kamikaze pace? They all have soft bodies and big bellies. Wlad and Haye at least look the part but neither man can stomach a pace.

The mind boggles at these modern mastodon heayweight 'athletes'.

Frazier a lean physique? Are you serious? Frazier would be way to small to deal with today's monsters. It would be like Foreman fight every time.

May not have been 'lean' but he was incredibly fit. He throw hook after hook for 15 straight rounds. If Chisora could do that, he'd have at least half a chance