Brian London vs. Amos Johnson 'Heavyweight Elimination'

[klompton]

So you think they would have fought for three rounds under amateur rules with Ali weighing 175 and standing three inches shorter and being far less experienced and mature?

Ok, so if you admit that every single circumstance sorrounding the fight would be different then lets not pretend that an amateur fight nearly a decade earlier would have any bearing at all on the outcome of a championship match. But by all means if you want to go out there and talk about how Ali ducked Amos Johnson because he was afraid of him and would have lost to him then go on, I look forward to the responses that will get you.

[klompton]

HAHAHA! Hilarious. Youve obviously never seen Amos Johnson box. He had lead feet, bad stamina, very little hand speed and no combination punching. He was a stationary target and easy to hit. He was physically strong but had just decent power at best. This is your savior that would have rid the division of Ali?

[klompton]

Are we talking about a 17 year old vs a 20 year old or are we talking about the heavyweight champion vs a guy who between 1966 and 1968 won one fight against a cannon fodder opponent? You seem to have such a hard time with context.

[klompton]

Its simple: Class tells. Ali had it, Johnson didnt.

[p4p1]

How do know what would have happened between Amos Johnson and Cassius Clay in 1966.

You don't....

In this case I would say its a pretty safe assumption, How do you know that in 1959 Johnson beats Clay? Or is that just an assumption?

[p4p1]

How do know what would have happened between Amos Johnson and Cassius Clay in 1966.

You don't....

In this case I would say its a pretty safe assumption, How do you know that in 1959 Johnson beats Clay? Or is that just an assumption?

That's A Fact.....

OK and your belief that he beats him in 1960 at the Olympic trials and goes to the Olympics would that be an assumption or a fact?

[p4p1]

April 30, 1959

Amos Johnson defeats Cassius Clay at the Pan Am Game Trials, and then goes on to handily win
the 1959 Pan Am Games.

'Atom Amos' Johnson was regarded as the best United States Amateur at {81 Kg} 178 lbs. Light-Heavyweight.

This forced Cassius to move up the +81 Kg {Heavyweight}, where he could utilize his speed over the
'lumbering types'.

No reason not to think that Amos Johnson wouldn't have won the 1960 United States {81 Kg} Olympic Trials
or have at least been the Pre-Tournament favorite........

Fair Assessment.........

The Olympic trial were a year later it is a reasonable assumption that some as naturally talented as Ali makes a big jump in ability from the ages of 17 - 18, That was Ali's last loss as an amateur it's reasonable to say in that year from just turning 17 to turning 18 he improved drastically as many people do around that age when they train hard.

[p4p1]

Possible,

Hard to think that Atom Amos wouldn't have been better at age 21 too.

He had a 59-2 Amateur Record.

Did you know that in 1960, Cassius was truly a 185 lb. Heavyweight, and had to
sweat down to get down to {81 Kg} 178 lbs.

He was going to compete at Heavyweight at the 1960 Olympic Trials, but the Boxing Team
wanted him to drop down one level, where he would have a better chance of a Gold Medal
if he got to the Rome Olympics in 1960.

This is true which is why it is all just speculation. Though in my experience the change from 17 - 18 is normally bigger than 20 - 21. Maybe he would of beaten Clay in the trials maybe Clay is too good for him by the time he is 18.