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Tom Ford wrote:Watched the fight again, seems that he was going to wave it off THEN the bell went.
He did no actually wave it off, he was 'about to'. TOC has had some shockers, but last night is nowhere near as bad as it seemed at the time.

The way I see it, he raised his hands in the air and was moving to get between them before the bell went. The bell then went before he could get between them. If you look when he actually does wave the fight off in the 4th it's exactly the same motion as he does just before the bell rings. The way I see it he waved the fight off with a second or two to go in the 3rd, but couldn't get between the guys in time before the bell went so decided to change his mind.

revporl wrote:Cleverly was punched when he was on the floor. Clear case for disqualification, he may have been able to recover were it not for two hard punches while both of his hands were on the floor. Never mind controversy around when the fight should have been stopped, according to the rules Cleverly should clearly have won.

I am not sure if it was a DQ or not, but have to say I think those punches are what turned Clev's legs to jelly. After first KD, Clev was hurt but seemed to be in his senses - after the 2nd KD and those floor shots especially, Clev seemed to be slumped.

revporl wrote:he may have been able to recover were it not for two hard punches while both of his hands were on the floor..

There was only ever going to be one outcome from this fight. They could be matched again 10 times and Clev would get stopped 10 times.

jameswilson wrote:

Tom Ford wrote:Watched the fight again, seems that he was going to wave it off THEN the bell went.
He did no actually wave it off, he was 'about to'. TOC has had some shockers, but last night is nowhere near as bad as it seemed at the time.

The way I see it, he raised his hands in the air and was moving to get between them before the bell went. The bell then went before he could get between them. If you look when he actually does wave the fight off in the 4th it's exactly the same motion as he does just before the bell rings. The way I see it he waved the fight off with a second or two to go in the 3rd, but couldn't get between the guys in time before the bell went so decided to change his mind.

Spot on James. The guy clearly stopped the fight then got a funny look on his face when the bell sounded and CLEARLY backtracked as he hugged his precious homeboy, desperate for him to be given every chance, when in reality he was putting him in severe danger.

I might write to the BBB of C about this, imploring them to understand the implications of this man's work. I don't expect a response though.

I think he was going to stop it, the bell rang and he wanted to give the world champion every chance to carry on, as a fighter that's what you would want, I know people are saying he carried him back but that's a bit far fetched, id say he ushered him back, as soon as he realised in the 4th clev was done he waved it off, not a terrible performance imo but I realise im in the minority on this one

curtis wood wrote:I think he was going to stop it, the bell rang and he wanted to give the world champion every chance to carry on, as a fighter that's what you would want, I know people are saying he carried him back but that's a bit far fetched, id say he ushered him back, as soon as he realised in the 4th clev was done he waved it off, not a terrible performance imo but I realise im in the minority on this one

I think what gets to people is the very real possibility that if Kovalev would have been in the same kind of trouble, the outcome could well have been very different.

Some of my mates who were round for the fights are not really that into boxing and they were all saying boxing is fixed. It pisses me off.

forcefraser wrote:

curtis wood wrote:I think he was going to stop it, the bell rang and he wanted to give the world champion every chance to carry on, as a fighter that's what you would want, I know people are saying he carried him back but that's a bit far fetched, id say he ushered him back, as soon as he realised in the 4th clev was done he waved it off, not a terrible performance imo but I realise im in the minority on this one

I think what gets to people is the very real possibility that if Kovalev would have been in the same kind of trouble, the outcome could well have been very different.

Some of my mates who were round for the fights are not really that into boxing and they were all saying boxing is fixed. It pisses me off.

That's exactly the point. Every single person on this board knows that had it been Kovalev in that type of trouble O'Connor's treatment of the situation would have been completely different. It's not a level playing field, which is what so many of us rightly have a problem with.

Exactly - that's the whole crux of the argument. Terry O'Connor has waved off the foreign or underdog fighter when they are in little to no discomfort. In the case of Manfredo, for no comprehensible reason at all.

If Kovalev had been in Cleverly's condition it would be consistent with TOC's form to wave it off after the first KD.

TOC almost seemed to be licking his lips at Kov's cut.

loaded_gloves wrote: TOC almost seemed to be licking his lips at Kov's cut.

Good one

.....are you saying he's.....a vampire ?

To be fair to Old Terry, he did jump in to stop big Audley against the wild one....

Didn`t he also stop Khan a bit early against Prescott?

curtis wood wrote:I think he was going to stop it, the bell rang and he wanted to give the world champion every chance to carry on, as a fighter that's what you would want, I know people are saying he carried him back but that's a bit far fetched, id say he ushered him back, as soon as he realised in the 4th clev was done he waved it off, not a terrible performance imo but I realise im in the minority on this one

Yeah but you know that he's showing a strong degree of bias there Curtis?

columbo wrote:

curtis wood wrote:I think he was going to stop it, the bell rang and he wanted to give the world champion every chance to carry on, as a fighter that's what you would want, I know people are saying he carried him back but that's a bit far fetched, id say he ushered him back, as soon as he realised in the 4th clev was done he waved it off, not a terrible performance imo but I realise im in the minority on this one

Yeah but you know that he's showing a strong degree of bias there Curtis?

fornicate me columbo its the home fighter defending his world title who's side are you on.
He isn't a judge he controls safety and exercises a bit of discretion based on a the above and to the backdrop of a baying crowd of 6000 Welsh lunatics.
If he waved it off early he wouldn't of got out the car park alive.
If anything the corner should have pulled him when he was out of it on the stall if my dad sent me out semi conscious to get KO'd by a guy who by Vince's own admission is ''a Russian tank'' I'd retire him possibly from the family.
Terry O'Connor did what anyone would have done in his shoes Cleverley bit off more than he could chew you can see it in the pre fight presser he knew he was fucked before he got in that ring Warren knew it and so did Vince.

I watched the video again. I am Terry's side in that he didn't actually wave the fight off - he was ready to, though not committed.

Then the beell went and he didn't. I did look confusing but he hadn't ACTUALLY stopped the fight

curtis wood wrote:I think he was going to stop it, the bell rang and he wanted to give the world champion every chance to carry on, as a fighter that's what you would want, I know people are saying he carried him back but that's a bit far fetched, id say he ushered him back, as soon as he realised in the 4th clev was done he waved it off, not a terrible performance imo but I realise im in the minority on this one

Pretty much how i saw it Curt. It's been blown out of all proportion IMO.

Aside from the fact that what O'Connor did could have changed the outcome of the fight had Cleverly by some miracle recovered, for me the most worrying aspect of this whole situation is that Nathan was allowed out in the 4th round in a condition where he clearly didn't know where he was and could easily have got seriously hurt. I actually think Kovalev was pulling back on his punches a bit at this point as he knew he had a helpless man infront of him... this could easily have been a tragedy imo.

forcefraser wrote: Didn`t he also stop Khan a bit early against Prescott?

Are you serious? Khan went down heavily twice, barely beat the count the first time and was in awful condition and was falling around at the conclusion of the second count.

TOC gave him more than enough benefit of the doubt but the man was in terrible condition.

loaded_gloves wrote:

forcefraser wrote: Didn`t he also stop Khan a bit early against Prescott?

Are you serious? Khan went down heavily twice, barely beat the count the first time and was in awful condition and was falling around at the conclusion of the second count.

TOC gave him more than enough benefit of the doubt but the man was in terrible condition.

Khan should have been stopped after the first knock down, he was clearly in no fit state to continue.

He beat the count easily the first time, though.

fatcity69 wrote:Aside from the fact that what O'Connor did could have changed the outcome of the fight had Cleverly by some miracle recovered, for me the most worrying aspect of this whole situation is that Nathan was allowed out in the 4th round in a condition where he clearly didn't know where he was and could easily have got seriously hurt. I actually think Kovalev was pulling back on his punches a bit at this point as he knew he had a helpless man infront of him... this could easily have been a tragedy imo.

I dare say with Kovalev's past that you're probably right.

iamasadlittleboy wrote:

fatcity69 wrote:Aside from the fact that what O'Connor did could have changed the outcome of the fight had Cleverly by some miracle recovered, for me the most worrying aspect of this whole situation is that Nathan was allowed out in the 4th round in a condition where he clearly didn't know where he was and could easily have got seriously hurt. I actually think Kovalev was pulling back on his punches a bit at this point as he knew he had a helpless man infront of him... this could easily have been a tragedy imo.

I dare say with Kovalev's past that you're probably right.

If you look at the simakov fight *the gent that died after fighting Kovalev* he never went down in the fight apart from right at the end when he eventually collapsed. He absorbed a lot of heavy shots and the way Nathan was going down was similar to the way Simakov did.

Watch this fight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeYyl0zQK6w and tell me how Terry O scored it 6 rounds in Tyson Fury's favor?

He had the best seat in the house. He was in the bloody ring with them .

forcefraser wrote:
Didn`t he also stop Khan a bit early against Prescott?

quoted for irony value, nicely done

Exoddus wrote:Watch this fight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeYyl0zQK6w and tell me how Terry O scored it 6 rounds in Tyson Fury's favor?

He had the best seat in the house. He was in the bloody ring with them .

I think that was one of his worst and it was the tin lid for me. I've no time for him as a referee or judge.

They even changed the rules of English title fights because of him by christ,it used to be the ref who scored it,not any more