BoxRec

loaded_gloves wrote:Rebuild him? To what? Why waste your time and money?

Fundamentally the man cannot fight. He can potshot low level boxers on shows that make little money, but as far as him ever being among world class? It's ridiculous. I think Nathan himself has learned that after last night's brutal wakeup call.

For all that dancing around, that stalking the ring prefight with the smug, knowing smirk on his face as if this was going to be some Archie Moore-style display of boxing genius, he looked no better than some of the clueless journeyman Kovalev routinely bashes out. He's simply never going to have the chin or acumen to win at world level, or be a genuine world champion.

The whole episode is another embarrassment for the awful WBO title.

mickey1975 wrote:When the same thing happens to Fury, he will have about 20x the purse to soften the blow.

G0mez wrote:Clev can still be a pest to some opponents, and if Murat can still find work then so can Nathan.

I can't see him headlining ever again though. I forecast Gavin, Saunders and Frampton undercards from now.

loaded_gloves wrote:Another thing was his behaviour in getting hurt and beckoning Kov in, the disbelief when getting knocked down and the look of total shock when going down repeatedly and losing. He looked as if he thought this couldn't possibly happen to a fighter like him, as if his victories over Shawn Hawk and Tony Bellew meant he was some elite level fighter and things like this don't happen to him.

It was an insane level of denial he was in, reminiscent of Khan running out to try bang out Prescott, sheer insanity. I think Tyson Fury is headed for the exact same baffling (to him) world crashing down scenario.

We in the UK have to concentrate on developing fighters the right way, rather than protecting them and building up these degrading paper champions.

MachoMan09 wrote:

G0mez wrote:Clev can still be a pest to some opponents, and if Murat can still find work then so can Nathan.

I can't see him headlining ever again though. I forecast Gavin, Saunders and Frampton undercards from now.

Is there any chance he'll just knock it on the head? I'm sure there's a boxing fan in 'The City' who'd give a maths graduate ex-pro a job on a derivatives desk or something. He'd earn more than he will as a fighter.

MachoMan09 wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:He can earn well from Boxing. He should not even consider retirement. His degree isn't a guarantee of earning big dough either.

He can land another title shot. He has a win over Bellew for example who is lined up for a WBC shot.

A change of corner might do him good.

If he talks to the right people he could score a decent number in London. There is still a lot of nepotism in the city. He should consider retirement.

lillywhite14 wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:He can earn well from Boxing. He should not even consider retirement. His degree isn't a guarantee of earning big dough either.

He can land another title shot. He has a win over Bellew for example who is lined up for a WBC shot.

A change of corner might do him good.

If he talks to the right people he could score a decent number in London. There is still a lot of nepotism in the city. He should consider retirement.

From my understanding a 2:2 degree isn't exactly a sure fire way of earning a packet these days.

Isn't it ridiculously competitive out there?

If he were to retire from boxing I would advise him to use some of the dough he has earned so far to set himself up and work for himself!

lillywhite14 wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:He can earn well from Boxing. He should not even consider retirement. His degree isn't a guarantee of earning big dough either.

He can land another title shot. He has a win over Bellew for example who is lined up for a WBC shot.

A change of corner might do him good.

If he talks to the right people he could score a decent number in London. There is still a lot of nepotism in the city. He should consider retirement.

From my understanding a 2:2 degree isn't exactly a sure fire way of earning a packet these days.

Isn't it ridiculously competitive out there?

If he were to retire from boxing I would advise him to use some of the dough he has earned so far to set himself up and work for himself!

MachoMan09 wrote:

columbo wrote:That's with anything in life though. Just because he's a 'famous' boxer doesnt mean someone would give him a good gig.

There are enough people interested in boxing from that walk of life that he should be able to network himself into something.

ShadrachSimmo wrote:

loaded_gloves wrote:Another thing was his behaviour in getting hurt and beckoning Kov in, the disbelief when getting knocked down and the look of total shock when going down repeatedly and losing. He looked as if he thought this couldn't possibly happen to a fighter like him, as if his victories over Shawn Hawk and Tony Bellew meant he was some elite level fighter and things like this don't happen to him.

It was an insane level of denial he was in, reminiscent of Khan running out to try bang out Prescott, sheer insanity. I think Tyson Fury is headed for the exact same baffling (to him) world crashing down scenario.

We in the UK have to concentrate on developing fighters the right way, rather than protecting them and building up these degrading paper champions.

columbo wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:

columbo wrote:That's with anything in life though. Just because he's a 'famous' boxer doesnt mean someone would give him a good gig.

There are enough people interested in boxing from that walk of life that he should be able to network himself into something.

Yeah but at the end of the day they'll be looking out for their best interests aswell and thus would want to employ the best person for their business.

birdman0607 wrote:

freddydoesdallas wrote:

daviddee wrote:He should 100% go back with Enzo Calzaghe that's exactly what he needs. His Chin is fine he was walking through Bellews punches and he's a big hitter.. Kovalov is just a beast of a puncher no one would withstand those.. He is fast and has a high output and is very tall for the weight.. If he can learn to hit and not be hit Iand stop war'ing all the time he will come back stronger.. I think the Enzo Mac fight is a ideal next fight big money and he wins very easily. Then he needs to look at a couple of fringe World Level fighters then maybe Hopkins or shumenev!! Maybe Froch will want to fight him now still a huge fight..

God know, he needs to stay away from him. Enzo had a purple patch due to getting good matchmaking off the money Joe's shows were bringing in. He needs a tactician not someone who will scream at him to do better without any advice.

So you're saying that: 1) Joe C. was not a wonderful, talented fighter? or 2) His dad had NOTHING to do with that?

I just know Wales is not full of boxing trainers and the Calzaghe gym is low-key, and not a Hollywood meet-and-greet.

Preface: I KNOW YOU DID NOT MAKE THIS COMMENT, okay? But I will address it below.

BTW, Lennox was in the "Euro League" at one time, as was Winky Wright, Sergio Martinez, the Klit Brothers, and many other legendary fighters. Is that an insult on the competition or something? How about the "Cuban Circuit", or the "Argentina Boxing League"? You get my point...right? Every country/area/continent has bums and also wonderful fighters. you see world-class fighters from almost the entire continent, so think before you speak my friend.

Cleverly fought a better man at a better point in his career. His time may come....or it may not. It depends on his determination.