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macaca wrote:Cannot argue with No 1
Ricky Burns has no business anywhere near the top 5
Can argue all day long about the rest

Really?

Horse wrote:It's based mostly on proven ability.
Haye beat Chisora impressively last July. If he beats Fury this month then I think he'll deserve to keep his ranking, if he loses then he'll drop.

Chisora is no big name though and is more of a journey man stroke weak gate keeper and only meant something because of the fracas in germany...

Horse wrote:
I think Murray controversially losing to Martinez is better than Barker narrowly beating Geale and I'd pick Murray to beat Barker as well.
McDonnell just needs to step up his level of opposition a bit.

but barker lost narrowly to a younger Martinez and is now world champion whether based on a SD on geale ..... so i suppose you can argue on opinion when judging tight positioning... er i have barker decision close v Murray ;)



hmmmm all that said mcdonnell is world champion and he does deserve to bit higher than bellew, however its a hard job to derive at a table when its all pretty bunched up.... so i appreciate your hard work mate

Being a world champion has more credibility then your opinion and should without question be above Murray 100%...... being a reigning WORLD champion!?!?!?

macaca wrote:Cannot argue with No 1
Ricky Burns has no business anywhere near the top 5
Can argue all day long about the rest

Burns is a clear top 5 British fighter.

earsjohn wrote:

billy nelson wrote:How can you say that about Ricky, out of all the weight divisions in the UK he's miles better than the next rated boxer in his weight catagory?

Paul Butler?

Khalid Yafai.

johnswan1 wrote:2. David Haye - beaten better opposition than Burns

Years ago.

johnswan1 wrote:6. Nathan Cleverly - one defeat against a top operator having made multiple defences

Mostly against bums.

johnswan1 wrote:7. Martin Murray - should not be ahead of any of the six above who all had world titles

Paper world titles, big deal.

johnswan1 wrote:13. Tyson Fury - hasn't beaten anybody of note

Cunningham and Chisora are notable.

Horse wrote:

macaca wrote:Cannot argue with No 1
Ricky Burns has no business anywhere near the top 5
Can argue all day long about the rest

I agree with this wholeheartedly. He's average at best.

ThereByTheGrace wrote:

Horse wrote:

macaca wrote:Cannot argue with No 1
Ricky Burns has no business anywhere near the top 5
Can argue all day long about the rest

I agree with this wholeheartedly. He's average at best.

I personally don't think Burns is good but there is no doubt he is top 5 in the UK look who he has beaten and look where they are ranked in the lightweight division.

ajwesty13 wrote:Chisora is no big name though and is more of a journey man stroke weak gate keeper and only meant something because of the fracas in germany...

Chisora is a top 10 heavyweight.

ajwesty13 wrote:but barker lost narrowly to a younger Martinez and is now world champion whether based on a SD on geale ..... so i suppose you can argue on opinion when judging tight positioning... er i have barker decision close v Murray ;)


hmmmm all that said mcdonnell is world champion and he does deserve to bit higher than bellew, however its a hard job to derive at a table when its all pretty bunched up.... so i appreciate your hard work mate

simonsays wrote:Being a world champion has more credibility then your opinion and should without question be above Murray 100%...... being a reigning WORLD champion!?!?!?

My opinion matters more than world titles in these rankings.

Horse wrote:

simonsays wrote:Being a world champion has more credibility then your opinion and should without question be above Murray 100%...... being a reigning WORLD champion!?!?!?

My opinion matters more than world titles in these rankings.

I've no real disagreement with the rankings but why ask for feedback if it is automatically disregarded?

palooka wrote:I've no real disagreement with the rankings but why ask for feedback if it is automatically disregarded?

It's not.

Not sure how barker is below Murray. Better record pre the step up to world titles and now beaten a guy, who beat Sturm...something Murray couldn't do...and that was no robbery.

stujones wrote:Not sure how barker is below Murray. Better record pre the step up to world titles and now beaten a guy, who beat Sturm...something Murray couldn't do...and that was no robbery.

Murray did better than Barker against Martinez and I thought he deserved the nod against Sturm.

I scored Sturm vs Geale to Sturm, so I don't consider Geale to be a better fighter than Sturm.

The moment you wrote that your opinion matters more than world titles in these rankings was the point they became a bit of a waste of time IMO.

People offer the feedback sought, then you just answer with subjective opinion to disagree.

squared circle wrote:The moment you wrote that your opinion matters more than world titles in these rankings was the point they became a bit of a waste of time IMO.

People offer the feedback sought, then you just answer with subjective opinion to disagree.

How many times am I meant to repeat the same arguments?

I rate Murray higher than Barker. I don't care if Barker has the IBF title, it doesn't make him better.

So why ask for feedback or comments!

squared circle wrote:So why ask for feedback or comments!

Lord, give me strength.

Horse wrote:Lord, give me strength.

if he does give you strength then where abouts in the top 30 would you rate yourself

ajwesty13 wrote:if he does give you strength then where abouts in the top 30 would you rate yourself

As high as I deserve.

Horse wrote:

ajwesty13 wrote:if he does give you strength then where abouts in the top 30 would you rate yourself

As high as I deserve.

Horse wrote:

squared circle wrote:So why ask for feedback or comments!

Lord, give me strength.

I think you thrive on being deliberately perverse.

I look forward to your ratings next month.

squared circle wrote:

Horse wrote:

squared circle wrote:So why ask for feedback or comments!

Lord, give me strength.

I think you thrive on being deliberately perverse.

I look forward to your ratings next month.

nail, hammer, head

palooka wrote:nail, hammer, head

A lot of credibility lost I'm afraid. I used to really enjoy looking through your p4p list but your thinking with you heart not you head and your list proves that.