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Re: Cleverly wants immediate Kovalev rematch
Posted: 20 Sep 2013, 00:56
by mickey1975
crusader wrote:mickey1975 wrote:He maybe does. Maybe disrespected Kovalev's power, watched the tape back and thought "I couldn't have fought a tactically worse fight if I tried". Bad taste putting that up, GOmez, just because Clev always wanted to fight Froch...
Can't see that given that Clev threw very little, his output was almost entirely jabs, he focused mainly on covering up, and he stated post fight that he realized in the opening round that he'd be knocked out if Kovalev landed cleanly. His actions in the ring and his words outside the ring generally suggest he respected Kovalev's power, especially when contrasted with his usual high-volume and sometimes reckless approach.
If you're struggling to think of how he could've fought a tactically worse fight, imagine him walking straight to Kovalev from the opening bell and trading power punches without abandon in an attempt to score a stoppage .
I meant pre fight. Might have thought it was hype. People kept comparing it to Calzaghe-Lacy and maybe he bought into that himself. Im sure he knew from the first punch he was in deep sh!t.
Re: Cleverly wants immediate Kovalev rematch
Posted: 20 Sep 2013, 01:43
by billy nelson
I truely beleive given the right game plan Nathan has the skill set to beat Kolalev,get the rematch on!
Re: Cleverly wants immediate Kovalev rematch
Posted: 20 Sep 2013, 01:52
by crusader
billy nelson wrote:I truely beleive given the right game plan Nathan has the skill set to beat Kolalev,get the rematch on!
What would the right game plan be?
Re: Cleverly wants immediate Kovalev rematch
Posted: 20 Sep 2013, 01:59
by Deserter
Shirow wrote:Nathan comes across well again but it's clearly just his hurt pride that makes him want the rematch. That's totally understandable and it's the sort of self delusion that boxer's probably need to fight on after a big loss and their handlers need to protect them from (see Froch v Ward rematch).
Obviously any rematch in the short term (or probably ever) would be a big big mistake which i'm sure Warren won't allow if there is any money in him fighting domestically.
Agree 100% with everything you've said here.
Re: Cleverly wants immediate Kovalev rematch
Posted: 20 Sep 2013, 02:38
by billy nelson
crusader wrote:billy nelson wrote:I truely beleive given the right game plan Nathan has the skill set to beat Kolalev,get the rematch on!
What would the right game plan be?
If I trained him I'd tell him
Re: Cleverly wants immediate Kovalev rematch
Posted: 20 Sep 2013, 04:37
by TopGun
billy nelson wrote:crusader wrote:billy nelson wrote:I truely beleive given the right game plan Nathan has the skill set to beat Kolalev,get the rematch on!
What would the right game plan be?
If I trained him I'd tell him
Would like to see you train a few more top pros Billy. Get yourself over here in sunny England and open a gym.
Re: Cleverly wants immediate Kovalev rematch
Posted: 20 Sep 2013, 05:16
by Teddy's Toupee
billy nelson wrote:crusader wrote:billy nelson wrote:I truely beleive given the right game plan Nathan has the skill set to beat Kolalev,get the rematch on!
What would the right game plan be?
If I trained him I'd tell him
"Jab and Grab", it'll be up there with "Rope-a-Dope" in the annals of "The Greatest Boxing Tactics of All Time".
Re: Cleverly wants immediate Kovalev rematch
Posted: 20 Sep 2013, 05:29
by billy nelson
Top gun thanks mate I've been approached about working in England by a top promoter and wouldn't rule out the idea.
Re: Cleverly wants immediate Kovalev rematch
Posted: 20 Sep 2013, 05:48
by TopGun
billy nelson wrote:Top gun thanks mate I've been approached about working in England by a top promoter and wouldn't rule out the idea.
Could you open a gym in London and get someone to run it? Like a fighter, a trainer needs to think about where his next fighter is coming from. You guys get paid very little (with the greatest respect). Thankfully I suspect Ricky has earned you a few quid but once he hangs up his gloves then you are back to earning smaller purses.
Re: Cleverly wants immediate Kovalev rematch
Posted: 20 Sep 2013, 06:00
by mickey1975
billy nelson wrote:Top gun thanks mate I've been approached about working in England by a top promoter and wouldn't rule out the idea.
Good lad, Billy, come home. Leave the Scottish to it.
Re: Cleverly wants immediate Kovalev rematch
Posted: 20 Sep 2013, 09:37
by TJ77
mickey1975 wrote:He maybe does. Maybe disrespected Kovalev's power, watched the tape back and thought "I couldn't have fought a tactically worse fight if I tried". Bad taste putting that up, GOmez, just because Clev always wanted to fight Froch...
Yeah GOmez no making jibes at Nath even if your joking and its pretty funny.It seems even video evidence is a no no.
Bad show ol boy
Re: Cleverly wants immediate Kovalev rematch
Posted: 20 Sep 2013, 09:38
by SNG
TJ77 wrote:mickey1975 wrote:He maybe does. Maybe disrespected Kovalev's power, watched the tape back and thought "I couldn't have fought a tactically worse fight if I tried". Bad taste putting that up, GOmez, just because Clev always wanted to fight Froch...
Yeah GOmez no making jibes at Nath even if your joking and its pretty funny.It seems even video evidence is a no no.
Bad show ol boy
Video evidence? That video Gomez posted, where Kovalev
misses?
Re: Cleverly wants immediate Kovalev rematch
Posted: 20 Sep 2013, 11:14
by mickey1975
Well he would be upset if someone put up a video of Groves winning the war of words with Froch on Ringside yesterday
Re: Cleverly wants immediate Kovalev rematch
Posted: 20 Sep 2013, 11:16
by palooka
mickey1975 wrote:billy nelson wrote:Top gun thanks mate I've been approached about working in England by a top promoter and wouldn't rule out the idea.
Good lad, Billy, come home. Leave the Scottish to it.
Always one isn't there
Re: Cleverly wants immediate Kovalev rematch
Posted: 20 Sep 2013, 13:54
by Andrew
I'd refer him to what happened with David Price.
He should build himself up again plus LHW doesn't seem to be a talent rich division. Hopefully Bellew can win the WBC title and they can have a rematch (HOPEFULLY)
I do like Nathan he comes across as a top lad but you can tell Warren was pretty pi$$ed off after the fight at how Cleverly boxed that night.
Re: Cleverly wants immediate Kovalev rematch
Posted: 20 Sep 2013, 15:54
by ajwesty13
Final round wrote:Pride comes before a (another) fall.
agreed
he was outboxed i cant see anything but another ko for Kovalev
Re: Cleverly wants immediate Kovalev rematch
Posted: 20 Sep 2013, 16:15
by Finn
mickey1975 wrote:billy nelson wrote:Top gun thanks mate I've been approached about working in England by a top promoter and wouldn't rule out the idea.
Good lad, Billy, come home. Leave the Scottish to it.
isnt he scottish?
Re: Cleverly wants immediate Kovalev rematch
Posted: 20 Sep 2013, 16:39
by blackbenson
Retire ? NO but no doubt his delusional father has once again convinced him his chin is made of granite and the shots were lucky ones that caught him. Come back clev but with someone who actually knows a little bit about boxing. Maybe even Billy Nelson :)
Re: Cleverly wants immediate Kovalev rematch
Posted: 21 Sep 2013, 00:20
by hurlock
billy nelson wrote:Top gun thanks mate I've been approached about working in England by a top promoter and wouldn't rule out the idea.
Billy would you agree styles make fights & there's alot to change with cleverley to make the adjustments to defeat kovalev.
I don't think any trainer could turn round that defecit straight away!!
Also billy if you could pick any British fighter to work with who would it be & why