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columbo wrote:

Aden wrote:That's not really the point Danny's making, mate. The accomplishments in themselves don't mean much. It"s the style combined with popularity and simply knowing a lot of people (directly or indirectly).

Oh I agree. I was just saying that Mitchell's situation was a little different in that sense.

You're right but there are lots of senior ABA champs with much smaller followings than Mitchell. You build a local following as an amateur and expand it as a pro. Buglioni and Paul Butler will always be looked after due to their ticket-selling ability.

iamasadlittleboy wrote:

expe wrote: They have sold tickets, it's very close to sold out at around 9,000, Buglioni and Kean sold 1,500 between them though.

So...the actual match ups worth being match ups did poo?
Poor promoting and relying on ticket sellers...when will Warren learn that this doesn't work in this day and age...

The big match ups SHOULD have been good enough to tell sell tickets...he could have kept Kean's debut for his next show...

I'd say 7,500 or so between the rest is pretty good and why wait for the next show to get Kean out? Ticket sellers are the way to go, people won't buy tickets at the box office unless it's a big fight.

expe wrote:

iamasadlittleboy wrote:

expe wrote: They have sold tickets, it's very close to sold out at around 9,000, Buglioni and Kean sold 1,500 between them though.

So...the actual match ups worth being match ups did poo?
Poor promoting and relying on ticket sellers...when will Warren learn that this doesn't work in this day and age...

The big match ups SHOULD have been good enough to tell sell tickets...he could have kept Kean's debut for his next show...

I'd say 7,500 or so between the rest is pretty good and why wait for the next show to get Kean out? Ticket sellers are the way to go, people won't buy tickets at the box office unless it's a big fight.

Because had they taken out Keane's fight this would have been (much more) suitable for public transport.

"Ticket sellers" aren't the way to go, especially not when they are all in London. Warren has frozen out most of the country with shows that are predominantly "London centric", other than Murray and Butler was anyone notable on the show above Birmingham?

People should be buying tickets on the "promotion" of the event, especially when you pay for a fight like the main event here but yet you depend on 2 or 3 local "stars". That to me says the promoter couldn't sell shit to a gardener looking for some fertiliser.

Warren's "ticket seller" logic has been failing and failing yet he can't see that fans are sick of fighter v victim mentality that we get.

Sorry but there is a reason Hearn has fans despite his mismatches.

dbflex wrote:

columbo wrote:

Aden wrote:That's not really the point Danny's making, mate. The accomplishments in themselves don't mean much. It"s the style combined with popularity and simply knowing a lot of people (directly or indirectly).

Oh I agree. I was just saying that Mitchell's situation was a little different in that sense.

You're right but there are lots of senior ABA champs with much smaller followings than Mitchell. You build a local following as an amateur and expand it as a pro. Buglioni and Paul Butler will always be looked after due to their ticket-selling ability.

So how do these guys manage to build up such big followings anyway then Danny?

iamasadlittleboy wrote:

expe wrote:

iamasadlittleboy wrote:
So...the actual match ups worth being match ups did poo?
Poor promoting and relying on ticket sellers...when will Warren learn that this doesn't work in this day and age...

The big match ups SHOULD have been good enough to tell sell tickets...he could have kept Kean's debut for his next show...

I'd say 7,500 or so between the rest is pretty good and why wait for the next show to get Kean out? Ticket sellers are the way to go, people won't buy tickets at the box office unless it's a big fight.

Because had they taken out Keane's fight this would have been (much more) suitable for public transport.

"Ticket sellers" aren't the way to go, especially not when they are all in London. Warren has frozen out most of the country with shows that are predominantly "London centric", other than Murray and Butler was anyone notable on the show above Birmingham?

People should be buying tickets on the "promotion" of the event, especially when you pay for a fight like the main event here but yet you depend on 2 or 3 local "stars". That to me says the promoter couldn't sell poo to a gardener looking for some fertiliser.

Warren's "ticket seller" logic has been failing and failing yet he can't see that fans are sick of fighter v victim mentality that we get.

Sorry but there is a reason Hearn has fans despite his mismatches.

People won't buy tickets on the promotion of the event, they go to see one fighter, with the rest being added bonuses. They haven't depended on local "stars", they've sold 1/6th of the tickets. Gavin and Butler could have been put on a separate show, but then Warren gets stick for a poor undercard because he doesn't have the fighters, so he gets criticised either way by some people.

expe wrote: People won't buy tickets on the promotion of the event, they go to see one fighter, with the rest being added bonuses. They haven't depended on local "stars", they've sold 1/6th of the tickets. Gavin and Butler could have been put on a separate show, but then Warren gets stick for a poor undercard because he doesn't have the fighters, so he gets criticised either way by some people.

People won't buy tickets, at least in part, due to the fact no one, other than hardboxingfans, even know their is a show. Theirs not crossover appeal, no real attempts to get the guys know outside of boxing circles etc.

A "decent card" should have 3 bouts, this hard 4, so he could have saved 1 of those. He (Warren) gets criticised for lots of reasons, for a guy who has been in the sport so long to seemingly have very little clue about transport, a decent card or what makes a good show is a mystery...

The fact Buglioni and Keane sold a 17% of the tickets should really, really shame Warren, instead he sees it as his business model.

columbo wrote:So how do these guys manage to build up such big followings anyway then Danny?

Apart from being popular guys with lots of friends, they put themselves out there - promoting their upcoming fights via local shops, pubs, businesses etc. Networking although they almost certainly wouldn't call it that. Utilising social media to broaden their reach. And having a fan-friendly style obviously helps.