Re: Will James Toney win Prizefighter?
Posted: 22 Oct 2013, 14:09
If an ancient, shot, gruesomely overweight punch drunk 5'9" ex middleweight wins then that tells you a whole lot about the quality of the other participants.
The 'loophole' for Larry was grassing up a load of other boxers for juicing as well. Good that they've been caught now, but it still seems a slimy thing to do. I wonder what the testing will be like for this Prizefighter? Will there be any?jonp wrote:Still if theres a loophole and its been found then you cant blame the guys for using it
Which fighters did he (allegedly) grass? I haven't heard of any bans.clopixolacuphase wrote:The 'loophole' for Larry was grassing up a load of other boxers for juicing as well. Good that they've been caught now, but it still seems a slimy thing to do. I wonder what the testing will be like for this Prizefighter? Will there be any?jonp wrote:Still if theres a loophole and its been found then you cant blame the guys for using it
The wouldn't let Rahman either. I can't see the Toney thing coming off personally.Final round wrote:James Toney? How does he get in when the BBBofC wouldn't allow 'The White Rhino' in a couple of years ago.
I hope not!keithmoonhangover wrote:The wouldn't let Rahman either. I can't see the Toney thing coming off personally.Final round wrote:James Toney? How does he get in when the BBBofC wouldn't allow 'The White Rhino' in a couple of years ago.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2 ... ugs-bannedkeithmoonhangover wrote:Which fighters did he (allegedly) grass? I haven't heard of any bans.clopixolacuphase wrote:The 'loophole' for Larry was grassing up a load of other boxers for juicing as well. Good that they've been caught now, but it still seems a slimy thing to do. I wonder what the testing will be like for this Prizefighter? Will there be any?jonp wrote:Still if theres a loophole and its been found then you cant blame the guys for using it
You are completely right, I had forgotten all about Toney's drugs use in the past. Maybe I had tried to block it out my mind as I always thought he was a really talented fighter.keithmoonhangover wrote:Why? Toney is a drugs cheat as well. Why is it alright for him to fight and not Larry?doctorboxing wrote:It would be sad to see him getting beat by people he would have had no trouble with a few years ago. He could literally have won this with one arm in his prime. I still imagine he will be very hard to hit for the 3 rounders.
Also dissapointing that Larry is getting a pay day. I have no interest in seeing him back in a ring.
stujones wrote:Toney may have had a medical explanation for his use of steroids - but a sad medical explanation.
There was a news clip (from the states) a few years ago that showed that Toney, through years of getting hit, had damaged his pituirity gland - which controls the release of hormones (e.g. Testosterone).
So - Toney "naturally" produces less testorestorne than the average, you need testosterone to fight.... so perhaps why Toney took supplements as a compensation.
However BBBoC should effing note.... programme was years old and SHOWED Toney had damage to a major part of his brain.
I think it is very different to Larry's case - a fighter who has NEVER fought clean!
jamesmcdonnell wrote:stujones wrote:Toney may have had a medical explanation for his use of steroids - but a sad medical explanation.
There was a news clip (from the states) a few years ago that showed that Toney, through years of getting hit, had damaged his pituirity gland - which controls the release of hormones (e.g. Testosterone).
So - Toney "naturally" produces less testorestorne than the average, you need testosterone to fight.... so perhaps why Toney took supplements as a compensation.
However BBBoC should effing note.... programme was years old and SHOWED Toney had damage to a major part of his brain.
I think it is very different to Larry's case - a fighter who has NEVER fought clean!
Yes I saw this, he was medically prescribed nandrolone, a synthetic form of testosterone to compensate for his lack of serum testosterone - as you say, that was many years ago now, and he's taken way more shots in sparring and in the ring since then.
Damaged pituitary gland....yeah right.jamesmcdonnell wrote:stujones wrote:Toney may have had a medical explanation for his use of steroids - but a sad medical explanation.
There was a news clip (from the states) a few years ago that showed that Toney, through years of getting hit, had damaged his pituirity gland - which controls the release of hormones (e.g. Testosterone).
So - Toney "naturally" produces less testorestorne than the average, you need testosterone to fight.... so perhaps why Toney took supplements as a compensation.
However BBBoC should effing note.... programme was years old and SHOWED Toney had damage to a major part of his brain.
I think it is very different to Larry's case - a fighter who has NEVER fought clean!
Yes I saw this, he was medically prescribed nandrolone, a synthetic form of testosterone to compensate for his lack of serum testosterone - as you say, that was many years ago now, and he's taken way more shots in sparring and in the ring since then.
Clint Magnum wrote:Damaged pituitary gland....yeah right.jamesmcdonnell wrote:stujones wrote:Toney may have had a medical explanation for his use of steroids - but a sad medical explanation.
There was a news clip (from the states) a few years ago that showed that Toney, through years of getting hit, had damaged his pituirity gland - which controls the release of hormones (e.g. Testosterone).
So - Toney "naturally" produces less testorestorne than the average, you need testosterone to fight.... so perhaps why Toney took supplements as a compensation.
However BBBoC should effing note.... programme was years old and SHOWED Toney had damage to a major part of his brain.
I think it is very different to Larry's case - a fighter who has NEVER fought clean!
Yes I saw this, he was medically prescribed nandrolone, a synthetic form of testosterone to compensate for his lack of serum testosterone - as you say, that was many years ago now, and he's taken way more shots in sparring and in the ring since then.
Lack of natural testosterone levels after previously healthy adult levels the years preceding is the number one side effect of..taking anabolic steroids. You need to run PCT and HGH correctly to restore your natural testosterone levels after taking synthetic testosterone in steroids. My guess is he was taking gear for years and then got the gear legally after his own body slowed down its natural testosterone levels after years of steroid use.
danconnollyeire wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:Of course he isn't .I mean for almost 25 years he was a professor and master technician of the ringstujones wrote:Toney may have had a medical explanation for his use of steroids - but a sad medical explanation.
There was a news clip (from the states) a few years ago that showed that Toney, through years of getting hit, had damaged his pituirity gland - which controls the release of hormones (e.g. Testosterone).
So - Toney "naturally" produces less testorestorne than the average, you need testosterone to fight.... so perhaps why Toney took supplements as a compensation.
However BBBoC should effing note.... programme was years old and SHOWED Toney had damage to a major part of his brain.
I think it is very different to Larry's case - a fighter who has NEVER fought clean!
Yes I saw this, he was medically prescribed nandrolone, a synthetic form of testosterone to compensate for his lack of serum testosterone - as you say, that was many years ago now, and he's taken way more shots in sparring and in the ring since then.
The thing is, you can get a doctors note and get medically passed to take other things to help with test levels apart from Anabolic Roids but Toney isn't the brightest spark