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ThatOne wrote:

The biggest fights of his career were when he won his championship as a 7-1 underdog and then won it back as a 3-1 underdog.

"There'll never be another like him. He is the Alpha and the Omega."

History is often an unforgiving teacher.

As to my "imaginary friend in the sky" he listens to the prayer of the petitioner and not to the person on whose behalf the petition is made.

Il Duce wrote:After Round 10

One of Smokin Joe's cornermen called Referee - Tony Perez to come over to the corner.

Tony walked over and asked, "What is it."

He was greeted with this.......

"Tony, why don't you go F*** yourself."

Tony walked away with his 'tail' between his legs.

ThatOne wrote:

No, I'm pretty sure that fight between those two prime undefeated all time greats for the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world was the biggest fight of their careers.
Anyway serf on, maybe bronze age Santa will change history and make Ali the winner of FOTC.

-hhaere

Your logic is flawed. He never becomes champion if he doesn't upset Sonny Liston as a 7-1 underdog. However as a gentleman I will meet you in the middle. It was the biggest fight in Joe Frazier's career.


Ali needs no more gifts from God beyond those he has already bestowed on him. ""There'll never be another like him. He is the Alpha and the Omega."

Ezzard wrote:Who was the joker who claimed a ref once poked one of Ali’s opponents in the eye during a fight?

I always loved that one.

ThatOne wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Who was the joker who claimed a ref once poked one of Ali’s opponents in the eye during a fight?

I always loved that one.

It actually did happen...Arthur Mercante inadvertently poked Frazier in the eye during the first Ali-Frazier fight. In our version of football there was a ref who inadvertently threw a flag that was weighted with bbs into a player's eye and temporarily blinded him.

Ezzard wrote:

ThatOne wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Who was the joker who claimed a ref once poked one of Ali’s opponents in the eye during a fight?

I always loved that one.

It actually did happen...Arthur Mercante inadvertently poked Frazier in the eye during the first Ali-Frazier fight. In our version of football there was a ref who inadvertently threw a flag that was weighted with bbs into a player's eye and temporarily blinded him.

Well you say inadvertently...

Il Duce wrote:Ezzard,

I lost respect for you.......Joker

You didn't know that Referee - Arthure Mercante accidentally poked Joe Frazier in
his left-eye during the Fight of the Century.

That was the reason 'Smokin Joe' couldn't see for the second-half of the bout. There
was concern that Joe had a detached retina, or badly scraped cornea due that
forceful 'finger in the eye'.

Joe Frazier said it happened in Round 6, during a 'clinch', initiated by Muhammad Ali,,,,,,,,'as usual'.

yancey wrote:

ThatOne wrote:

No, I'm pretty sure that fight between those two prime undefeated all time greats for the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world was the biggest fight of their careers.
Anyway serf on, maybe bronze age Santa will change history and make Ali the winner of FOTC.

-hhaere

Your logic is flawed. He never becomes champion if he doesn't upset Sonny Liston as a 7-1 underdog. However as a gentleman I will meet you in the middle. It was the biggest fight in Joe Frazier's career.


Ali needs no more gifts from God beyond those he has already bestowed on him. ""There'll never be another like him. He is the Alpha and the Omega."

Of course the FOTC was Ali's biggest fight, but good luck expecting some people to admit it.

Il Duce wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Apologies Il Duc-inator

I remember now…and I seem to recall…Mercante hadn’t cut that finger nail in weeks…

…but he had filed it to a sharp point…

Correcto Mundo

Arthur Mercante was 'pulling' for Muhammad Ali.

See his Scorecard {8-6-1} compared to Bill Recht Jr. {11-4-0}.

It was obvious, that Arthur Mercante was intentionally trying to harm Smokin Joe.

The old 'Poke-in-the-Eye' gimmick..............see; Chris Dundee {Florida Wrestling}

Il Duce wrote:Pick A Round

Round 12

More 'filth'

* {0:16} > Muhammad Ali grabs Joe behind the head, and pulls down hard for '6-Seconds'.

* {0:27} > Muhammad Ali grabs Joe behind the head, and pulls down hard for '5-Seconds'.

* {0:37} > Muhammad Ali grabs Joe behind the head, and pulls down hard for '6-Seconds'.

* {0:50} > Muhammad Ali grabs Joe behind the head, and pulls down hard for '6-Seconds'.

* {1:03} > Muhammad Ali grabs Joe behind the head, and pulls down hard for '5-Seconds'.

* {1:16} > Muhammad Ali grabs Joe behind the head, and pulls down hard for '4-Seconds'.

* {1:29} > Muhammad Ali grabs Joe behind the head, and pulls down hard for '6-Seconds'.

* {1:42} > Muhammad Ali grabs Joe behind the head, and pulls down hard for '8-Seconds'.

* {1:56} > Muhammad Ali grabs Joe behind the head, and pulls down hard for '2-Seconds'.

* {2:09} > Muhammad Ali grabs Joe behind the head, and pulls down hard for '2-Seconds'.

* {2:16} > Muhammad Ali shoves a forearm into Joe's face.

* {2:28} > Muhammad Ali grabs Joe behind the head, and pulls down hard for '5-Seconds'.

* {2:40} > Muhammad Ali grabs Joe behind the head, and pulls down hard for '6-Seconds'.

* {2:53} > Muhammad Ali grabs Joe behind the head, and pulls down hard for '7-Seconds'.

* {3:00} > Even after the Bell, Muhammad Ali holds the back of Joe's head for another '2-Seconds'.

Adamj1987 wrote:Do you do anything in your spare time other than watch ali fights to slag him off?

Il Duce wrote:'What they said about the Referee'

* The man looked fearful, as he was afraid to take control.

* He let Muhammad Ali become the 'third man in the ring'.

* He let Muhammad Ali play him like a 'fiddle'.

* Not one 'harsh warning', out of 213 holds.

* He was more worried about the way he looked, than refereeing a proper bout.

* Joe Frazier was held more than a 18 year-old High School Student at his Senior Prom.

* Not sure what Tony was doing in there, other than going along for a 12-Round/36-Minute ride at the Carnival.

* There is a little more to being a Referee, than saying 'Break'.

Il Duce wrote:Who can these' 'words' be attributed to.

* Foul-filled
* Dirty Manner
* Disgusting Tactics
* Foulness
* Offensive
* Stain ridden
* Vileness
* Putrescence
* Filthy manner
* Unclean
* Unsportsmanlike
* Unwashed effort

Il Duce wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Who can these' 'words' be attributed to on January 28, 1974

* Foul-filled
* Dirty Manner
* Disgusting Tactics
* Foulness
* Offensive
* Stain ridden
* Vileness
* Putrescence
* Filthy manner
* Unclean
* Unsportsmanlike
* Unwashed effort
* Grab-fest
* Unpolished amateurism
* Lack of class
* Clutch-and-Hold
* Disgusting garbage
* Moral Impurity

That is only 'half' the list............

Il Duce wrote:Arthur Mercante was 'pulling' for Muhammad Ali.
See his Scorecard {8-6-1} compared to Bill Recht Jr. {11-4-0}.

ThatOne wrote: If he lost the biggest fight of his career why does every boxing historian of the last thirty five years have him rated #1 or #2?

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/heavylists.htm

Maybe it's because he beat three other top ten all time heavyweight greats, seven IBHOF inductees, four Olympic Gold Medalists, won the championship as a 7-1 underdog and won it again as a 3-1 underdog.

BoxBuzz wrote:Did Joe think he won all three fights?

How bitter was he at the judges in fight two?


Not sure we've heard that from Il Duce to this point.

Just curious.

hhaehre wrote:

ThatOne wrote: If he lost the biggest fight of his career why does every boxing historian of the last thirty five years have him rated #1 or #2?

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/heavylists.htm

Maybe it's because he beat three other top ten all time heavyweight greats, seven IBHOF inductees, four Olympic Gold Medalists, won the championship as a 7-1 underdog and won it again as a 3-1 underdog.

You just answered your own question but of course it does not change the fact that he lost the biggest fight of his career. As it turns out one can be rated as one of the best of all time and still loose the big one.

Il Duce wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:Did Joe think he won all three fights?

How bitter was he at the judges in fight two?


Not sure we've heard that from Il Duce to this point.

Just curious.

Joe Frazier vs. Muhammad Ali II

Based upon the 'incessant' fouling and continuous holding in a nearly uncountable number
of 'cuffing fouls'.

I had Joe Frazier ahead on Points {10-Point Must System}.......114-109

Muhammad Ali loses '6-Points' for Fouls in Rounds; {3, 5, 7, 10, 11 and 12}.

I don't tolerate that 'unclean, unwashed and filthy' stuff.