Shame on Sky and Matchroom

lefty · Post by **lefty** » 08 Nov 2013, 11:36

DMA1987 wrote:It really isn't Matchrooms problem.

The responsibility lies with his family and those close to him, not with the promoter and network. If he had been deemed unfit and they were trying to find ways to get him a license? Then I have a problem.

That's a stretch mate cmon! His family cant stop entering the tournament. Sky and Eddie can!

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 08 Nov 2013, 12:20

I don't think James was being sarcastic over the Roy Jones thing - they even had to say "what you think of Roy Jones' comments" for him to react with a "that was Roy Jones??" -

If it was a sarcastic comment then I didn't get the joke cause Roy looks sounds and IMO fights a hell of a lot better than James now.

Terry, understand exactly what you are saying but I just hope (and I don't know the answer) overseas fighters get the same medical exams as when somone is applying for a licence - MRI's etc and not just the old check if your balls have dropped test.

and seeing Toney as he is.... hearing what his own doctor said about him 10 years ago..... I bloody doubt is MRI wouldn't show extensive damage.

Ali "passed" the medical exams for the holmes and berbick fights also.... even though the guy couldn't even touch his own nose accurately!!!!

If he has genually passed the CT and/or MRI scans (which ever one they do these days) - then great, look forward to him on prizefighter. I know there is a confidentiality issue - but I would like to see the evidence that he has passed them.

All we asked for was for Tommy Morrison to prove beyond dispute he was HIV negative, look what happened there.

AcademyCC · Post by **AcademyCC** » 08 Nov 2013, 13:45

The guy obviously needs the money but I have to agree that Matchroom have put the $ first here. If they are trying to build british boxing as they claim and setting high standards, they really shouldnt have gone for Toney. Its a bit of a freak show.

squared circle · Post by **squared circle** » 08 Nov 2013, 13:52

This thread is rubbish. He's cleared to fight. Let him fight.

jessi · Post by **jessi** » 08 Nov 2013, 14:10

What a load of crap, he is slightly punch drunk, if people think he didn't recognize rjj well say no more, and as for Parkinson's, I watched the program and didn't notice any shaking what so ever

TJ77 · Post by **TJ77** » 09 Nov 2013, 03:10

squared circle wrote:This thread is rubbish. He's cleared to fight. Let him fight.

2 pages of debate usually means a thread is a talking point.
Your opinion is as valid as anyone else's.
He should not be fighting IMO

TJ77 · Post by **TJ77** » 09 Nov 2013, 03:16

jessi wrote:What a load of crap, he is slightly punch drunk, if people think he didn't recognize rjj well say no more, and as for Parkinson's, I watched the program and didn't notice any shaking what so ever

jessi watch it again he's shaking left leg tremors right through the piece a shit tournament I won't be watching its my opinion.

TJ77 · Post by **TJ77** » 09 Nov 2013, 03:19

columbo wrote:
DMA1987 wrote:It really isn't Matchrooms problem.

The responsibility lies with his family and those close to him, not with the promoter and network. If he had been deemed unfit and they were trying to find ways to get him a license? Then I have a problem.
That's a stretch mate cmon! His family cant stop entering the tournament. Sky and Eddie can!

I never thought I'd see the day I'd be agreeing with columbo over you DMA.

Clint Magnum · Post by **Clint Magnum** » 09 Nov 2013, 05:27

Groove Armada wrote:Bump this when he wins! Was he shaking? I didn't notice that. Dead mouse - tell the man dem. it's Toneys choice but looking at him as a middleweight reminded me how great he was. ATG.

Fans of a past great fighter tend to overlook the obvious because of their fondness. Happens throughout history.
Toney used to be verbose, now he can barely string words together, he still has a good chin and takes a hell of a shot which means he lasts rounds in the ring with much bigger guys but he is getting hit hard and often in every fight so his health is getting worse. We wouldn't be having this conversation if he wasn't a marquee name and that's the problem. If you have seen him these last 2/3 years and can honestly say he's not punch drunk I respectfully disagree. Toney is a fighter, a warrior and a skint one at that, so he won't ever quit until he's told he has to. But he generates cash as he's still a recognisable "name".

Clint Magnum · Post by **Clint Magnum** » 09 Nov 2013, 05:53

Aye, the tax issue gets to the best of them! The list is endless of all the warriors who've owed millions and ended up scratching a living. Terrible but still happening today. It makes sense to take a large whack from your purse and hand it over immediately but I guess the temptation is there to hang onto it a while and then suddenly you've had a few fights and owe huge amounts all in one go. Not to mention the feckers & hangers on around Toney who probably advised him so badly and spent half of it.

Matt W · Post by **Matt W** » 09 Nov 2013, 06:06

It was sad to see the way he was shaking, whatever medicals they have I couldn't in good conscience be encouraging him to box. If that interview was with a retired Toney it would still be sad to watch, using it to promote a tournament he is competing in reflects very badly on the sport IMO, especially with casual fans who will just see a fat, mouthy, most likely damaged middle aged man with no appreciation of the supreme fighter he was at his best.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 09 Nov 2013, 06:53

I think it says a lot that Sky couldn't dedicate the whole show to Toney - a true legend of the sport not over here often should have made compulsive viewing for the whole hour.... but sadly we've known for years that Toney is punch drunk so there is no way they could afford to give him a longer slot.

Having said that, there is a few youtube clips of him being interviewed (since he signed for prizefighter) where he seemed a lot more switched on (though still very hard to understand) than he was on Ringside.... he didn't seem to have much of an entire what the prizefighter format was about. So hopefully there were other explanations for this particularly sad sight.

Final round · Post by **Final round** » 09 Nov 2013, 07:06

I am really surprised at the BBBofC, although he hasn't suffered kayo's he's taken many head blows over his long career...they should have taken a stand and said no.

DMA1987 · Post by **DMA1987** » 09 Nov 2013, 07:57

TJ77 wrote:
columbo wrote:
DMA1987 wrote:It really isn't Matchrooms problem.

The responsibility lies with his family and those close to him, not with the promoter and network. If he had been deemed unfit and they were trying to find ways to get him a license? Then I have a problem.
That's a stretch mate cmon! His family cant stop entering the tournament. Sky and Eddie can!
I never thought I'd see the day I'd be agreeing with columbo over you DMA.

. I put the responsibility on the authorities. We use things in the UK which have been made in sweatshops - lots of things. We dont shoulder the moral burden, we expect the authorities to sort it.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 09 Nov 2013, 08:26

Special thanks to Spencer Oliver for saying Toney is still boxing at the top. Really helpful.

jessi · Post by **jessi** » 09 Nov 2013, 08:42

TJ77 wrote:
jessi wrote:What a load of crap, he is slightly punch drunk, if people think he didn't recognize rjj well say no more, and as for Parkinson's, I watched the program and didn't notice any shaking what so ever
jessi watch it again he's shaking left leg tremors right through the piece a poo tournament I won't be watching its my opinion.

Watched it back, I stand corrected ! Just didn't notice it first time round, as for sky and matchroom, it's not really there fault if he passes all the relevant tests is it ?

jessi · Post by **jessi** » 09 Nov 2013, 08:46

As far as the Roy jones junior bit goes, toney mentioned chickens and pensacola, (jones breeds fighting chickens and comes from Pensacola) so I think he knows what's going on

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 09 Nov 2013, 09:05

jessi wrote:As far as the Roy jones junior bit goes, toney mentioned chickens and pensacola, (jones breeds fighting chickens and comes from Pensacola) so I think he knows what's going on

After Smith and Nelson had to say who he was - if I remember correctly.

Roman7 · Post by **Roman7** » 09 Nov 2013, 13:16

I think prizefighter is losing interest resulting in media stunts too increase viewing figures .
When rogan first won it the loveable taxi driver they where the glory days of prizefighter

tallsdav · Post by **tallsdav** » 09 Nov 2013, 15:13

Anyone saying just don't watch it, how would you feel if it was your dad?

Sometimes people like this are too stubborn and their family cannot make them see sense, the promoter and board should remember that someone's quality of life is more important than entertainment and selling a few tickets or picking up a few more viewers.

lefty · Post by **lefty** » 09 Nov 2013, 15:15

TJ77 wrote:
columbo wrote:
DMA1987 wrote:It really isn't Matchrooms problem.

The responsibility lies with his family and those close to him, not with the promoter and network. If he had been deemed unfit and they were trying to find ways to get him a license? Then I have a problem.
That's a stretch mate cmon! His family cant stop entering the tournament. Sky and Eddie can!
I never thought I'd see the day I'd be agreeing with columbo over you DMA.

You wanna fight?

DMA1987 · Post by **DMA1987** » 09 Nov 2013, 15:47

tallsdav wrote:Anyone saying just don't watch it, how would you feel if it was your dad?

Sometimes people like this are too stubborn and their family cannot make them see sense, the promoter and board should remember that someone's quality of life is more important than entertainment and selling a few tickets or picking up a few more viewers.

Inadvertently that is the point though. If I thought my dad wasn't fit to fight, or do his job in general, then I would take it upon myself to stop him. I wouldn't blame his employers.

tallsdav · Post by **tallsdav** » 09 Nov 2013, 19:43

Have you watched it? And if so in your opinion do you think he should fight?

I have watched it and imo the guy obviously doesn't realise how bad he is. The promoters do, as do most normal people who don't want to see another human suffer for the sake of entertainment. It's no better than dog fighting.

Bet you're cool with that too. Just something that doesn't know better being used for entertainment. Sure the treat they get at the end of the fight is worth it!

Just think how much better Matchroom would look if they pulled him out, for his own good. Morally it's the right thing to do and it's a sad day for boxing when those responsible for putting these shows on are exonerated from decisions like this.

DMA1987 · Post by **DMA1987** » 09 Nov 2013, 19:52

Toney should have quit years ago. I also haven't been able to understand a word he has said for a long long time. No he shouldn't fight. I am not here saying the future HOF'er is fit to fight, I dont have to and neither does the promoter or network. That's not their job.

The dog fighting thing is just bullshit really. Do dogs get paid? Do dogs have a family who can fight their corner? Do dogs get medically deemed fit to participate in a fight? No.

What is the point in having a fighter pass tests if you just ignore it anyway?

squared circle · Post by **squared circle** » 10 Nov 2013, 03:06

TJ77 wrote:
squared circle wrote:This thread is rubbish. He's cleared to fight. Let him fight.
2 pages of debate usually means a thread is a talking point.
Your opinion is as valid as anyone else's.
He should not be fighting IMO

Rubbish was harsh. I meant I don't see the point.

BBBofC have cleared him so its a non-issue.

Unless you are saying he should get special treatment based on the fact he is an arguable ATG.

Or you are saying Sky or Matchroom should have veto to overrule board decisions and/or have more relevant medical expertise than the Board.

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