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Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 10:07
by keithmoonhangover
There will be a rematch. 100%. Froch knows he can beat Groves. I'm sure Groves thinks he can beat Froch. It's an easy match to make, with lots of public interest, it's another grudge match and would make plenty of money.
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 10:09
by n1ebf
ScottDetonator wrote:When the dust settles, the result will still read Froch TKO9 over Groves. Did Froch underestimate Groves? Possibly. Did he take everything Groves had and come back strong? Yes.
I personally thought that it was a great fight, it has got everyone talking about boxing and that can only be a good thing. Howard is a very consistant referee and the ref's decision is final. The way George's head went back and from side to side from the last three Froch punches did look particularly nasty and are surely shots that ref's are trained to spot. Froch was behind on the cards but Groves was out of gas and in deep waters IMO.
Also to add, surely the events of the last few weeks, with Magomed in coma and the other cases of hospitalised fighters has led all ref's to be on a higher alert than normal and rightly so, but it will never stop the so-called fans demanding blood and a fighter having to be stretched out of the ring for a result to be accepted.
"fans" are w*nkers. I'm glad you said "so-called" fans. That chanting mob of lager louts, hard as f*ck with their mates, booing fighters when they can't even sustain a light jog to the corner shop. Big arena fights might be great to see fights, but often unpleasant places to be.
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 10:18
by Manchester Hitman
If i'm right Carl can take a vountary next if he wants so he cant hide behind the IBF enforcing a mandatory...will be very interesting what he does now IMO it will say alot about his character.
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 10:31
by fasteddie
history books show a froch win so how can some say gg is no.1 in britain?? he was in decline in the fight with 3 and a half rounds to go and was stunned after a few clean shots landed,it wasnt like razor ruddock vs tyson 1 were razor was stood lookin at the ref,groves was bent over,hurt and turning away from froch. the hearns will decide if there is a rematch after they count their interest on the ppv buys,tickets sales etc etc... so froch will do what the hearns say.
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 10:44
by ajwesty13
People who say Froch would have stopped Groves is complete speculation yes George was in trouble but you talk like that no one has ever come back after a bad round.... froch was made to look like an amateur for most of the fight... Froch is right he doesnt have to give George a rematch but people say your only as good as your last fight and people will remember this one more for the controversy and after all Froch's states that he doesnt like like blots on his record this will definately be a blot if a rematch is avoided...
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 10:59
by WildWaylon
Tykemania wrote:Groove Armada wrote:Proves the mans a grade a tosser.
Are you being serious? I really can't believe how little respect Froch receives despite all his acheivements. Whilst the end of the fight - which was a slightly premature stoppage but no worse - might leave some people thinking Groves deserves a rematch (which is questionnable as he was only going one way) Froch is under no obligation and, given the way GG behaved in the build up to the fight, you can see why he might not feel inclined to help him out.
You get what you give. Froch gives no respect so therefore he cant expect the fans to respect him. He was outboxed and outclassed and Froch should give Groves more credit than he did. The rematch has to happen or people will say Froch was good but there were two at his weight who he couldnt beat and one was British. Is that the way Froch wants to be remembered, second best in his era in Britain. Calzaghe would have beaten him easily, Froch is too slow and doesnt understand the first rules of boxing, keep your hands up and defend yourself at all times.
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 12:06
by ScottDetonator
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/9 ... s-decision
I think Froch gives plenty of credit to Groves.
Froch is not only #1 Super Middleweight in the Britain, he is also the current #1 British fighter.
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 12:15
by palooka
Groves beat Froch every round and Froch was shy of Groves power; George did what he said he would do and is the better fighter; the ref stopped the bout too soon, it was like the first Enzo v Ovill bout - the ref nervous when the 'chinny' fighter catches a few. I know how I feel about the fight and what I saw, I also consider Groves to be the number 1 at super middle in the UK. If a rematch came off Froch will get ruined; he is declining and Groves is improving. Froch lost fans with his arrogance post fight; the fans know what had happened, it would be better if Froch retired like Lennox Lewis did after a very punishing fight.
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 12:23
by keithmoonhangover
People will no doubt discard this, but out of everyone. Groves, the ref, the fans..... Carl Froch had the best view of George Groves last night.
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 12:25
by palooka
keithmoonhangover wrote:
People will no doubt discard this, but out of everyone. Groves, the ref, the fans.....
Carl Froch had the best view of George Groves last night.
Carl Froch is not going to say anything to his detriment and Froch is not a chilling hitter, Groves hadn't gone down - the ref was too keen and from the look on his face afterwards he knew he'd made a mistake.
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 12:28
by keithmoonhangover
palooka wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:
People will no doubt discard this, but out of everyone. Groves, the ref, the fans.....
Carl Froch had the best view of George Groves last night.
Carl Froch is not going to say anything to his detriment and Froch is not a chilling hitter, Groves hadn't gone down - the ref was too keen and from the look on his face afterwards he knew he'd made a mistake.
I agree, shit stoppage, but don't you think there's a possibility that Froch is actually, you know...... telling the truth? Maybe Groves' eyes were rolling in the back of his head.
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 12:33
by palooka
Frochs eyes were like jaw breakers rolling about every time Groves landed, Froch took 10 times as much punishment as Groves.
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 12:37
by keithmoonhangover
palooka wrote:Frochs eyes were like jaw breakers rolling about every time Groves landed, Froch took 10 times as much punishment as Groves.
The punishment to Froch ain't the point. And we couldn't see closely enough to see Froch's eyes.
I'll ask you again. Is it possible Froch was telling the truth?
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 12:54
by mchuffy
damianhucker1 wrote:End of the day, regardless of if the stoppage was premature, its foolish to call groves number 1 in britain , he lost the fight, and although it was premature he was getting stopped in another round or so, he had done fantastically well and went up in my estimations a long way last night, but he was unravelling, and in that situation , Froch knows how to finish, i dont think groves was going to win, and even on points i think froch would have got it if he hadnt stopped it, 2 judges only had groves up by 1 with 4 to go, my own score had groves up by 3 and i still wasnt counting out a froch points win. you have to prove yourself as number 1 and while groves did well, hes not proved that at all yet.
Spoken like a true boxing fan, spot on sir
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 13:01
by stevedoc
Groove Armada wrote:Proves the mans a grade a tosser.
He will not want a rematch with GG.
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 13:02
by tonyevs
I believe Froch will give Groves a rematch.
That stoppage and those score cards are going to convince Ward, and any other big name fighter, to avoid a fight in Britain.
So the next big earner for Froch is a Groves rematch. Carl is at that stage where he is looking only for the big money because he knows he has seen better days.
Next time I see Groves making easier work of Froch.
Froch will not be able to do anything better. Groves was just too young and fast for him.
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 13:03
by jessi
mchuffy wrote:damianhucker1 wrote:End of the day, regardless of if the stoppage was premature, its foolish to call groves number 1 in britain , he lost the fight, and although it was premature he was getting stopped in another round or so, he had done fantastically well and went up in my estimations a long way last night, but he was unravelling, and in that situation , Froch knows how to finish, i dont think groves was going to win, and even on points i think froch would have got it if he hadnt stopped it, 2 judges only had groves up by 1 with 4 to go, my own score had groves up by 3 and i still wasnt counting out a froch points win. you have to prove yourself as number 1 and while groves did well, hes not proved that at all yet.
Spoken like a true boxing fan, spot on sir
I agree his not number 1 in Britain ! But I hate the "he was going to get stopped anyway" talk ! We will never know and that's that ! There should be a rematch. I'd like to take this moment to say what a warrior Carl froch is, what a great fighter George groves is and also that although I disagree with the stoppage I don't hold it against Howard foster.
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 13:03
by stevedoc
palooka wrote:Frochs eyes were like jaw breakers rolling about every time Groves landed, Froch took 10 times as much punishment as Groves.
agreed that's the type of fight that leaves lasting damage to a fighter
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 13:04
by keithmoonhangover
Groove Armada wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:
The punishment to Froch ain't the point. And we couldn't see closely enough to see Froch's eyes.
I'll ask you again. Is it possible Froch was telling the truth?
1) The BRAIN is the thing - those punches were flush!
2) Froch is an ego driven knob so he would say anything.
Carl to vacate and GG to fight for vacant.
Well, I think you're wrong, but all of that is just opinion and speculation.
Lets stick to the facts. Last night Carl Froch beat George Groves by TKO in the ninth round. I said Carl would win and you said Groves would.
I was right and you were wrong.
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 13:11
by rossij8
Groves was robbed, should have at least had the 8 count and been assessed eye to eye by the ref
and if it wasn't before, the blueprint on how to beat Froch is massively apparent
he wouldn't touch Ward now and Joe C would have boxed his head off
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 13:29
by orbtastic
There is no standing eight count.
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 13:31
by ALI
Manchester Hitman wrote:If i'm right Carl can take a vountary next if he wants so he cant hide behind the IBF enforcing a mandatory...will be very interesting what he does now IMO it will say alot about his character.
Agreed,if he dodges the rematch he will go down in my estimations, no question.
The same applies to Matchroom/Hearn. I was not pleased listening to Eddie Hearn in a post iFL TV interview, his take on the stoppage stank and when pressed about a rematch he was very cagey. There have been a few seriously dodgy decisions on some of their cards recently, to uphold their good image, and that of British boxing, they need to do the right thing and work hard to get this rematch on.
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 13:32
by palooka
Howard Foster allowed Froch to take far more punishment and jumped straight in when Groves was under attack; in my eyes that shows partiality; if he were to allow Froch to endure punches and fight back then he should have extended the same to Groves - in the interests of fairness.
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 13:37
by MarkMcBurney
orbtastic wrote:There is no standing eight count.
Wrong. There's a standing eight if a fighter is being held up by the ropes. It could be argued that Groves was held up by the ropes when he sprang backwards after one of the shots.
Re: Froch - 'I don't have to give anybody a rematch'
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 13:45
by orbtastic
He wasn't though, was he. So there was no standing eight.