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raylawpc wrote:

Il Duce wrote:How Old ?

Any idea of how old this handsome young gentleman is.




Sonny Boy @ the Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson City {1952}

About 20 or 21. You are about 13 years too early in your dating of the lower photo. When he was champion, Sonny came back to the Walls and did an exhibition. A client of mine, a son of a guard at the institution who knew Liston, showed me a whole stack of photos, and this was one of them.

SolomonDeedes wrote:As Raylawpc says, there's no longer any mystery about Liston's age, the documentary evidence is pretty straightforward:

http://img6. .us/img6/1402/liston3.jpg

April 1930, there's Tobin and Helen Liston living in Arkansas, with all their kids down to little 6-month old Curtis but, of course, no Charles.

http://img96. .us/img96/2692/liston1.jpg
http://img692. .us/img692/8007/liston2z.jpg

Spin forward 10 years, there they are again. Curtis' age is given as 11 when, obviously, he must actually have been 10 and a half. After him comes Charles. His age is given as 10 but given his brother's age he can't actually have been more than 9 and a half.

So Charles Liston was born in late 1930 and was 32 years old when he won his rematch with Floyd Patterson. It will take more than making up quotes by Bill Faversham to alter that fact.

Il Duce wrote:
The photo could be as early as 1962, and as late as 1968, when Sonny went back to
Missouri to fight Billy Joiner.

Controversial wrote:

SolomonDeedes wrote:As Raylawpc says, there's no longer any mystery about Liston's age, the documentary evidence is pretty straightforward:

http://img6. .us/img6/1402/liston3.jpg

April 1930, there's Tobin and Helen Liston living in Arkansas, with all their kids down to little 6-month old Curtis but, of course, no Charles.

http://img96. .us/img96/2692/liston1.jpg
http://img692. .us/img692/8007/liston2z.jpg

Spin forward 10 years, there they are again. Curtis' age is given as 11 when, obviously, he must actually have been 10 and a half. After him comes Charles. His age is given as 10 but given his brother's age he can't actually have been more than 9 and a half.

So Charles Liston was born in late 1930 and was 32 years old when he won his rematch with Floyd Patterson. It will take more than making up quotes by Bill Faversham to alter that fact.

Is it just me but nothing happens when I click on your links?

Listons mother claimed he was born in 1928 making him 36 when he fought Ali. There was also a marriage certificate doing the rounds which had him born in 1928.

Il Duce wrote:I made an 'error' based upon what the caption stated {circa; 1952}.

Sonny Liston won the Heavyweight Championship in September 1962 in Chicago,
and was living in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania at the time.

The photo should be between circa 1962/1963.

Controversial wrote:

SolomonDeedes wrote:As Raylawpc says, there's no longer any mystery about Liston's age, the documentary evidence is pretty straightforward:

http://img6. .us/img6/1402/liston3.jpg

April 1930, there's Tobin and Helen Liston living in Arkansas, with all their kids down to little 6-month old Curtis but, of course, no Charles.

http://img96. .us/img96/2692/liston1.jpg
http://img692. .us/img692/8007/liston2z.jpg

Spin forward 10 years, there they are again. Curtis' age is given as 11 when, obviously, he must actually have been 10 and a half. After him comes Charles. His age is given as 10 but given his brother's age he can't actually have been more than 9 and a half.

So Charles Liston was born in late 1930 and was 32 years old when he won his rematch with Floyd Patterson. It will take more than making up quotes by Bill Faversham to alter that fact.

Is it just me but nothing happens when I click on your links?

Listons mother claimed he was born in 1928 making him 36 when he fought Ali. There was also a marriage certificate doing the rounds which had him born in 1928.

raylawpc wrote:

Controversial wrote:

SolomonDeedes wrote:As Raylawpc says, there's no longer any mystery about Liston's age, the documentary evidence is pretty straightforward:

http://img6. .us/img6/1402/liston3.jpg

April 1930, there's Tobin and Helen Liston living in Arkansas, with all their kids down to little 6-month old Curtis but, of course, no Charles.

http://img96. .us/img96/2692/liston1.jpg
http://img692. .us/img692/8007/liston2z.jpg

Spin forward 10 years, there they are again. Curtis' age is given as 11 when, obviously, he must actually have been 10 and a half. After him comes Charles. His age is given as 10 but given his brother's age he can't actually have been more than 9 and a half.

So Charles Liston was born in late 1930 and was 32 years old when he won his rematch with Floyd Patterson. It will take more than making up quotes by Bill Faversham to alter that fact.

Is it just me but nothing happens when I click on your links?

Listons mother claimed he was born in 1928 making him 36 when he fought Ali. There was also a marriage certificate doing the rounds which had him born in 1928.

The US Census Records do not show Liston in 1930. He shows up for the first time in the 1940 US Census, and is listed at ten-years-old.

Controversial wrote: Yes I've seen the census before however they are notoriously inaccurate and self reported so people could say anything they wanted to. There's travellers born in the UK in very recent years that don't know their real age. In that era, and from the family he came from, records just weren't kept. There have always been questions asked about his age, as mentioned before his mother said it was 1928. For years Liston said he was born in 1933 and when you look at him he just looks older than his claimed age. We have 1930 as the "official" record but I wouldn't bet my house on it being correct.

SolomonDeedes wrote:

Controversial wrote: Yes I've seen the census before however they are notoriously inaccurate and self reported so people could say anything they wanted to. There's travellers born in the UK in very recent years that don't know their real age. In that era, and from the family he came from, records just weren't kept. There have always been questions asked about his age, as mentioned before his mother said it was 1928. For years Liston said he was born in 1933 and when you look at him he just looks older than his claimed age. We have 1930 as the "official" record but I wouldn't bet my house on it being correct.

If the 1940 census was all we had then I'd agree that he could easily be a year or two older than it says. But I don't see a way round the fact that he's not listed on the 1930 census but his elder brother is there with his age given as 6 months.

Il Duce wrote:Ray

The caption had a (Circa 1950) next to the photo.

You didn't call me out on anything.

Many photo's and pictures of Charles "Sonny' Liston have improper or no correct dates.

You have been wrong 'numerous' times yourself.

SolomonDeedes wrote:

Controversial wrote: Yes I've seen the census before however they are notoriously inaccurate and self reported so people could say anything they wanted to. There's travellers born in the UK in very recent years that don't know their real age. In that era, and from the family he came from, records just weren't kept. There have always been questions asked about his age, as mentioned before his mother said it was 1928. For years Liston said he was born in 1933 and when you look at him he just looks older than his claimed age. We have 1930 as the "official" record but I wouldn't bet my house on it being correct.

If the 1940 census was all we had then I'd agree that he could easily be a year or two older than it says. But I don't see a way round the fact that he's not listed on the 1930 census but his elder brother is there with his age given as 6 months.