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Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2013
Posted: 01 Dec 2013, 14:13
by jackukmma
expe wrote:P4P rankings aren't like traditional rankings. It seems to be forgotten that P4P is a measure of ability, regardless of size, so results count for less than they normally do.
Results have to count for something and actually be the basis of the list though, otherwise it's not a credible list at all and it might aswell just be a list of your favourite fighters. Murray above Barker is a joke. His best win is Nick Blackwell however unlucky he's been. Darren Barker is world champion
Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2013
Posted: 01 Dec 2013, 14:14
by taffytoon
brian13 wrote:You can't use your own score cards to influence rankings. Murray did not beat Sturm and it was a close fight. I thought Sturm nicked it.
Barker holds a world title and deserves to be higher and above any fighter on the list who is not World champion and especially if they are in his own weight class.
The Donkey does use his own scores and that's why it is utter Bollox.
Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2013
Posted: 01 Dec 2013, 14:43
by Horse
ShadrachSimmo wrote:Tommy Coyle should be no 28.
I didn't think beating Simpson on short notice at lightweight was enough to earn a place.
Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2013
Posted: 01 Dec 2013, 14:44
by Giancarlo
taffytoon wrote:brian13 wrote:You can't use your own score cards to influence rankings. Murray did not beat Sturm and it was a close fight. I thought Sturm nicked it.
Barker holds a world title and deserves to be higher and above any fighter on the list who is not World champion and especially if they are in his own weight class.
The Donkey does use his own scores and that's why it is utter Bollox.
Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2013
Posted: 01 Dec 2013, 14:49
by Horse
ajwesty13 wrote:ps think Quigg should be a lot higher at least in the top 10
Quigg only managed a draw with Salinas recently. Quigg needs to beat better opposition to enter the top 10.
Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2013
Posted: 01 Dec 2013, 14:49
by Horse
BLASTER100 wrote:Can't argue with the top 10.
Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2013
Posted: 01 Dec 2013, 14:56
by Horse
brian13 wrote:You can't use your own score cards to influence rankings.
Why not?
brian13 wrote:Murray did not beat Sturm and it was a close fight. I thought Sturm nicked it.
And I thought Murray deserved the nod.
brian13 wrote:Barker holds a world title and deserves to be higher and above any fighter on the list who is not World champion and especially if they are in his own weight class.
I disagree. World titles are nice, but they don't guarantee a higher ranking than a non-champion.
Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2013
Posted: 01 Dec 2013, 15:05
by Horse
stujones wrote:Not sure how Dereck Chisora is above Nathan Cleverly.
Chisora has lost everytime he has moved into European level - okay Horse you might have had him beating Heulenius (yonks ago now) but whilst Clev got done against the ever improving Kovalev - no one can deny he is geniune European class.
Think Cleverly at the bottom half of a P4P list is a bit much. The guy is a geniune European title level fighter, which is about the level of many in the top 10.
Cleverly hasn't had a win against a good opponent in over two years and he was recently destroyed against Kovalev.
Cleverly has to beat good opponents to maintain a high ranking, but he hasn't been doing that recently so he's dropping.
Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2013
Posted: 01 Dec 2013, 15:09
by Horse
taffytoon wrote:The Donkey does use his own scores and that's why it is utter Bollox.
Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2013
Posted: 01 Dec 2013, 15:55
by stujones
Horse wrote:stujones wrote:Not sure how Dereck Chisora is above Nathan Cleverly.
Chisora has lost everytime he has moved into European level - okay Horse you might have had him beating Heulenius (yonks ago now) but whilst Clev got done against the ever improving Kovalev - no one can deny he is geniune European class.
Think Cleverly at the bottom half of a P4P list is a bit much. The guy is a geniune European title level fighter, which is about the level of many in the top 10.
Cleverly hasn't had a win against a good opponent in over two years and he was recently destroyed against Kovalev.
Cleverly has to beat good opponents to maintain a high ranking, but he hasn't been doing that recently so he's dropping.
And Chisora's good win was over? and when? - Helenius was 2 years ago also (even if you want to say he won).
Re: British Top 30 P4P December 2013
Posted: 01 Dec 2013, 16:21
by Horse
stujones wrote:And Chisora's good win was over? and when? - Helenius was 2 years ago also (even if you want to say he won).
Chisora's win against Scott is better than anything Cleverly has done lately.