BoxRec

columbo wrote:On a seperate topic, what did Hennessy do before he got involved in promoting?

peter1948 wrote:I went to Jersey a few years ago to a Dennis Hobson promotion it was the Clinton Woods fight & Dennis Hobson took about 26 of us out for the evening prior to the contest. The man is a complete gentleman who loves his boxing & his fighters & its a shame this McDonnell business has left a bad taste in his mouth because he doesn't deserve it. He went out of his way to gain home advantage for Jamie & of course that cost him a lot of money, but as we all know, That's boxing for you.

damianhucker1 wrote:

spudder56 wrote:

damianhucker1 wrote:If it was so easy to make good money as a pro promoter id have put my bond up a while ago, but in reality i cant currently afford to lose about 30 grand + , which is quite possibly the amount i could lose after just a couple of promotions. Which is why im still doing the unlicensed circuit, believe me id much prefer to move into the pro game.

Damian as a matter of interest forgetting boxers purses what difference in money terms is it between an unlicensed show and a board show as far as set up costs go etc I presume venue and ring and security hire are the same ?

The ring hire i believe is more expensive in the pro's , presumably because pro shows generally use bigger rings.
But things like Security and Referees are pretty similar, i pay £300 to my ref which is more than most pay but its to ensure i get the best ref out there, i know thats more than pro refs would get but then baring in mind my shows often have over 20 bouts, would likely need 3 pro refs anyway.
Obviously the Boards payments arent paid, I pay ring girls whereas a lot of pro shows will usually have them provided by a sponsor of some sort.
All in all the cost is probably very similar other than the boxers purses but then we give more percentage commission on the tickets than on a pro show.
For example a lad doing 100 tickets on my show would earn £1000 , which is around a similar mark to what they would get as a pro but then i can get their opponent for usually a maximum of £250 which i couldnt do as a pro.


Thanks Damian you have got a good business model there mate if i was you I would stay unlicenced unless you have a few massive ticket sellers who are also good boxers best of luck to you
the other aspect is with the lads who maybe only sell 50 tickets, if they sell 50 tickets at £25 and they keep a tenner as their wage from each ticket (£500) that leaves £750 to pay the opponent and put into the pot towards the rest of the show, in the pro's id be looking at paying at least double that combined figure , so the £750 outlay suddenly becomes around £1800 which those tickets wouldnt cover and therefore nothing put into the pot either, on an unlicensed show its still a profitable bout but in the pro's it would be making a loss.

The ring hire i believe is more expensive in the pro's , presumably because pro shows generally use bigger rings.
But things like Security and Referees are pretty similar, i pay £300 to my ref which is more than most pay but its to ensure i get the best ref out there, i know thats more than pro refs would get but then baring in mind my shows often have over 20 bouts, would likely need 3 pro refs anyway.

Obviously the Boards payments arent paid, I pay ring girls whereas a lot of pro shows will usually have them provided by a sponsor of some sort.

All in all the cost is probably very similar other than the boxers purses but then we give more percentage commission on the tickets than on a pro show.

For example a lad doing 100 tickets on my show would earn £1000 , which is around a similar mark to what they would get as a pro but then i can get their opponent for usually a maximum of £250 which i couldnt do as a pro.

Thanks Damian you have got a good business model there mate if i was you I would stay unlicenced unless you have a few massive ticket sellers who are also good boxers best of luck to you the other aspect is with the lads who maybe only sell 50 tickets, if they sell 50 tickets at £25 and they keep a tenner as their wage from each ticket (£500) that leaves £750 to pay the opponent and put into the pot towards the rest of the show, in the pro's id be looking at paying at least double that combined figure , so the £750 outlay suddenly becomes around £1800 which those tickets wouldnt cover and therefore nothing put into the pot either, on an unlicensed show its still a profitable bout but in the pro's it would be making a loss.

Spud wrote:

The ring hire i believe is more expensive in the pro's , presumably because pro shows generally use bigger rings.
But things like Security and Referees are pretty similar, i pay £300 to my ref which is more than most pay but its to ensure i get the best ref out there, i know thats more than pro refs would get but then baring in mind my shows often have over 20 bouts, would likely need 3 pro refs anyway.

Obviously the Boards payments arent paid, I pay ring girls whereas a lot of pro shows will usually have them provided by a sponsor of some sort.

All in all the cost is probably very similar other than the boxers purses but then we give more percentage commission on the tickets than on a pro show.

For example a lad doing 100 tickets on my show would earn £1000 , which is around a similar mark to what they would get as a pro but then i can get their opponent for usually a maximum of £250 which i couldnt do as a pro.

Thanks Damian you have got a good business model there mate if i was you I would stay unlicenced unless you have a few massive ticket sellers who are also good boxers best of luck to you the other aspect is with the lads who maybe only sell 50 tickets, if they sell 50 tickets at £25 and they keep a tenner as their wage from each ticket (£500) that leaves £750 to pay the opponent and put into the pot towards the rest of the show, in the pro's id be looking at paying at least double that combined figure , so the £750 outlay suddenly becomes around £1800 which those tickets wouldnt cover and therefore nothing put into the pot either, on an unlicensed show its still a profitable bout but in the pro's it would be making a loss.

In not particular order - I will no doubt forget some:

Cost for venue for press conference to announce fight
Cost for venue for press conference week of fight
Cost for venue for weigh in

BBBofC Tax
World Organisation sanctioning fee - if applicable

Cost for hire of ring
Cost for house seconds
Cost for ring whip
Cost for ring announcer - some of the bigger names cost £10k or more
Cost for ringcard girls

Cost for fights (opponents) - smaller shows do ticket deals with fighters, no tickets sold means off the show.

Cost of food etc - VIP area at venue
Cost of flights - foreign opponents & team
Cost of hotels - fighters, officials, etc etc
Cost of food per day - fighters, officials etc etc
Cost of venue - some are f*cking expensive
Cost for printing of programmes
Cost for advertising fight - posters etc etc
Cost for laminates (passes for inner ringside)

Cost for BBBofC officials
Cost for foreign judges/Referees
Cost for medics
Cost for security

Some of the above mentioned costs would shock people!!

damianhucker1 wrote:Spudder, if you look at this way.

A small hall pro show with 6 bouts costs roughly 16k-20k depending on whos boxing on it.

My last show, with 21 bouts cost 6.5k

As you can see thats quite a difference, but like i said, its the boxers purses that adds the bulk of the extra cost.

If i was to put my best 6 ticket sellers i could make a show profitable as a pro show, but thats forgetting ability because some of those 6 are plainly not good enough to even consider turning pro.

damianhucker1 wrote:Spudder, if you look at this way.

A small hall pro show with 6 bouts costs roughly 16k-20k depending on whos boxing on it.

My last show, with 21 bouts cost 6.5k

As you can see thats quite a difference, but like i said, its the boxers purses that adds the bulk of the extra cost.

If i was to put my best 6 ticket sellers i could make a show profitable as a pro show, but thats forgetting ability because some of those 6 are plainly not good enough to even consider turning pro.

bripez wrote:

damianhucker1 wrote:Spudder, if you look at this way.

A small hall pro show with 6 bouts costs roughly 16k-20k depending on whos boxing on it.

My last show, with 21 bouts cost 6.5k

As you can see thats quite a difference, but like i said, its the boxers purses that adds the bulk of the extra cost.

If i was to put my best 6 ticket sellers i could make a show profitable as a pro show, but thats forgetting ability because some of those 6 are plainly not good enough to even consider turning pro.

It sounds as though you have a good business model.

Why do you want to go "BBBofC Pro" - is it the prestige or some other reason ?

damianhucker1 wrote:
Theres no promoter doing pro shows in Nottingham.

craigstephen wrote:

damianhucker1 wrote:
Theres no promoter doing pro shows in Nottingham.

Jason McClory did a couple of pro shows in Nottingham this year

spudder56 wrote:

craigstephen wrote:

damianhucker1 wrote:
Theres no promoter doing pro shows in Nottingham.

Jason McClory did a couple of pro shows in Nottingham this year

Yes and lost money overall I believe