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Goldust wrote:I've always been a fan of Holyfield but I don't see him winning this fight. Unfortunately for Frazier he had the misfortune of falling between two of the better/best heavyweights of all time in Ali and Foreman and subsequently tends to be largely forgotten/underrated today.

I see this fight as going the way of Holyfield/Qawi I with Frazier outworking/outlasting Holyfield over the final five rounds of the fight to take a late round stoppage or win on points. Holyfield improved as a fighter after the Qawi fight but Frazier was bigger and better in every way than Qawi.

Ambling Alp II wrote:It was a competitive fight. As far as I can tell from the goofy scoring system, the referee had Frazier winning 6 rounds, Bugner winning 3, and 3 were even. I scored it 7-5 in rounds, 115-112 if it had been 10-point must.

Anyway, Frazier-Holyfield would have been a different fight. Early, Holyfield would probably try to move around and outbox him. However, his slug it out impulse would eventually take over. Frazier had a a higher workrate, though Holyfield had a high one.
Holyfield was the more accurate puncher, but Frazier had the better defense of the two.

I think Frazier would win a very tough decision. Would have been a great fight.

polecateddy wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:I'd confidently pick Frazier by either late stoppage or solid decision. Bigger power, better stamina, better work-rate. Evander had those moments when he'd just "zone out" like he did vs Cooper, Stewart, Dokes, Foreman etc. and vs Frazier he's going to be punished severely during those moments, especially to the thin body/waist which was Evander's one (relatively) weak-spot. That's how Bowe got him so tired in their first fight, and Tyson's lone moment vs Holyfield came from a body attack.

Evander's hook better than Fraziers? Haha, oh please. Frazier's was as short, quick, and tight as they came. Look at the hook at that nearly decapitates Quarry in their rematch . . .that thing was lightening in a bottle. Holyfield threw nice crisp shots as well but he didn't have the firepower that Frazier had.

Evander would win the first 3-4 rounds but then Frazier would get in control, with Evander having an ever decreasing number of return-fire flurries as the fight went on.

By your logic Frazier should have boxed a shut-out over Joe Bugner, a passive fighter with a low output. Yet the fight was relatively close. Funny that.

yancey wrote:Frazier isn't forgotten. Look how many threads come up here with him a large part of the topic.

He was a bonafide all-time great and anyone with a lick of sense understands that.

yancey wrote:

Ambling Alp II wrote:It was a competitive fight. As far as I can tell from the goofy scoring system, the referee had Frazier winning 6 rounds, Bugner winning 3, and 3 were even. I scored it 7-5 in rounds, 115-112 if it had been 10-point must.

Anyway, Frazier-Holyfield would have been a different fight. Early, Holyfield would probably try to move around and outbox him. However, his slug it out impulse would eventually take over. Frazier had a a higher workrate, though Holyfield had a high one.
Holyfield was the more accurate puncher, but Frazier had the better defense of the two.

I think Frazier would win a very tough decision. Would have been a great fight.

Bugner against the prime Frazier of 1969 would have been a freaking slaughter.