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HomicideHenry wrote:

columbo wrote: I dont think boxing is quite that simple, you should know that. Also, it's not like that Browne has ever been down himself.

Browne essentially defeated a man who was a mirror image of Price in Towers. Browne can actually box under pressure and knows how to use his size and strength, unlike Price who just barges in. And I think the keyword in your sentence (too) is "down". Of course Browne has been down, but he got up to keep winning. Price doesnt have that in him, at least not yet.

I'm no fan of Price, but you're selling him extremely short. His pedigree is solid. Thompson was a very experienced good fighter.

HomicideHenry wrote:

columbo wrote: I suppose these crappy "boxers" always medal at the olympics.

Are you really going to support and wave around the banner of the current amateur boxing system, and say that anyone in the amateurs, in the last couple of years since its been this computerised scoring system, as being really all that good?

Is there flaws in the amateur boxing system? Yes. However most guys that tend to get to a certain level, do so on merit.

mickey1975 wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:

columbo wrote: I dont think boxing is quite that simple, you should know that. Also, it's not like that Browne has ever been down himself.

Browne essentially defeated a man who was a mirror image of Price in Towers. Browne can actually box under pressure and knows how to use his size and strength, unlike Price who just barges in. And I think the keyword in your sentence (too) is "down". Of course Browne has been down, but he got up to keep winning. Price doesnt have that in him, at least not yet.

I'm no fan of Price, but you're selling him extremely short. His pedigree is solid. Thompson was a very experienced good fighter.

I appreciate that Mickey as I know you're a big fan of Fury's. Everyone knows that Price has flaws but he's nowhere near as bad as Henry is trying to paint him out to be.

columbo wrote: No offense mate but your a Fury groupie and Price beat him comprehensively on points as an amateur.

Some fighters are better as amateurs than pros. One great example is that of Clay Hodges who defeated George Foreman twice in the amateurs. Everyone was certain he would of been the nexy heavyweight champion of the world. Didn't turn out that way, as he wound up getting his jaw broke and he subsequently retired. Or another great example is that of Pete Rademacher, who was one of the best Olympians and amateur boxers of all time--- and his pro career was rather disappointing.

Good example of a amateur rivalry is that of Larry Holmes and Duane Bobick. Bobick defeated Larry Holmes in the amateurs, as well as the great Teofilio Stevenson. Duane wracked up a series of kayos in the pros, was the "great white hope" and then... kayoed in one round by Ken Norton. Now the other guy, who nobody thought would ever make it, who still to this day gets unappreciated and disrespected (Larry Holmes) became world champion and one of the top five (or ten) greatest heavyweights of all time.

You cant base professional boxing off what people do in the amateurs. A three-four round fight doesnt show you anything but a performance. It may as well be nothing more than a sparring session. And, besides, even as an amateur the word was out on Price that he had no chin. Fury, on the other hand, while losing to Price on points--- ended up winning a WBC eliminator and an IBF eliminator against certified challengers. Price, despite all the hooplah and amateur credentials is still a domestic level fighter. No shame in that what so ever, but that doesn't mean he is capable of beating top contenders; as good as Henry Cooper was, he fell flat on his face against every world beater there was.

People have mentioned Richard Towers in this thread.

I was with Richard for a good few weeks and saw what he could do in some tough spars with top amateur Filip Hergovic, Alexander Dimitrenko, Marious Wach, Deontay Wilder and of course David Haye ...

After having seen him knowing his top attitude, training and sparring - I was really dissapointed with his performance against Lucas Browne - I remember saying to member of Team Hayemaker during the Browne fight "this isnt the Richard we know" ...

So whilst some of you have rightly stated your opinion on the stuff you have seen him in that fight with Browne, I just keep thinking he can do so much better.

HomicideHenry wrote:

columbo wrote: No offense mate but your a Fury groupie and Price beat him comprehensively on points as an amateur.

Some fighters are better as amateurs than pros. One great example is that of Clay Hodges who defeated George Foreman twice in the amateurs. Everyone was certain he would of been the nexy heavyweight champion of the world. Didn't turn out that way, as he wound up getting his jaw broke and he subsequently retired. Or another great example is that of Pete Rademacher, who was one of the best Olympians and amateur boxers of all time--- and his pro career was rather disappointing.

Good example of a amateur rivalry is that of Larry Holmes and Duane Bobick. Bobick defeated Larry Holmes in the amateurs, as well as the great Teofilio Stevenson. Duane wracked up a series of kayos in the pros, was the "great white hope" and then... kayoed in one round by Ken Norton. Now the other guy, who nobody thought would ever make it, who still to this day gets unappreciated and disrespected (Larry Holmes) became world champion and one of the top five (or ten) greatest heavyweights of all time.

You cant base professional boxing off what people do in the amateurs. A three-four round fight doesnt show you anything but a performance. It may as well be nothing more than a sparring session. And, besides, even as an amateur the word was out on Price that he had no chin. Fury, on the other hand, while losing to Price on points--- ended up winning a WBC eliminator and an IBF eliminator against certified challengers. Price, despite all the hooplah and amateur credentials is still a domestic level fighter. No shame in that what so ever, but that doesn't mean he is capable of beating top contenders; as good as Henry Cooper was, he fell flat on his face against every world beater there was.

Who has Fury beaten though in all honesty? Johnson? The most passive boxer known to mankind and Cunningham who was basically a light punching cruiserweight. By the way, I think Fury would beat Price because he's the more durable and the stronger mentally but in terms of boxing ability, I wouldnt say Fury is superior to Price.

columbo wrote: I appreciate that Mickey as I know you're a big fan of Fury's. Everyone knows that Price has flaws but he's nowhere near as bad as Henry is trying to paint him out to be.

mickey1975 wrote: I'm no fan of Price, but you're selling him extremely short. His pedigree is solid. Thompson was a very experienced good fighter.

#1- When the Price/Thompson fight was announced, almost every boxing pundit worth his stuff was saying "Another hand picked dead man for Price", because Tony Thompson was completely written off and forgotten about here in America as a fighter, let alone as a contender. It was practically the upset of the year, not once but twice, that a well passed his prime and heavily fat ex world title challenger was able to make this British "superman" look so inept and poorly. Is it because Thompson was still good? Or was it because Price was, like alot of heavyweight prospects these days, built up and force fed a bunch of set ups? I happen to go with the latter.

Now, I never said Price was so bad he wouldnt make for something good in boxing. On the contrary, the moment he lost the rematch to Thompson, I said he had the potential (if he wanted it) to become the greatest Commonwealth champion of all time--- because I thought he had it in him to defeat alot of guys out of Europe, Canada, Australia, etc. and could have eclipsed Henry Cooper. But, moment I seen Browne defeat Toney, then Towers, etc. and become the #1 contender for the Commonwealth belt, it didnt surprise me that Price would drop his belts and go off to another boxing promotion; and if I may say so, was probably the wisest decision he made cus Browne more than likely would of out lasted him and stopped him again.

HomicideHenry wrote:

columbo wrote: I appreciate that Mickey as I know you're a big fan of Fury's. Everyone knows that Price has flaws but he's nowhere near as bad as Henry is trying to paint him out to be.

mickey1975 wrote: I'm no fan of Price, but you're selling him extremely short. His pedigree is solid. Thompson was a very experienced good fighter.

#1- When the Price/Thompson fight was announced, almost every boxing pundit worth his stuff was saying "Another hand picked dead man for Price", because Tony Thompson was completely written off and forgotten about here in America as a fighter, let alone as a contender. It was practically the upset of the year, not once but twice, that a well passed his prime and heavily fat ex world title challenger was able to make this British "superman" look so inept and poorly. Is it because Thompson was still good? Or was it because Price was, like alot of heavyweight prospects these days, built up and force fed a bunch of set ups? I happen to go with the latter.

Now, I never said Price was so bad he wouldnt make for something good in boxing. On the contrary, the moment he lost the rematch to Thompson, I said he had the potential (if he wanted it) to become the greatest Commonwealth champion of all time--- because I thought he had it in him to defeat alot of guys out of Europe, Canada, Australia, etc. and could have eclipsed Henry Cooper. But, moment I seen Browne defeat Toney, then Towers, etc. and become the #1 contender for the Commonwealth belt, it didnt surprise me that Price would drop his belts and go off to another boxing promotion; and if I may say so, was probably the wisest decision he made cus Browne more than likely would of out lasted him and stopped him again.

Wladimir didnt find Thompson that easy to deal with either though! A lot of the rounds were very close and cagey. Eventually Wlad caught up with him.

Spud wrote:People have mentioned Richard Towers in this thread.

I was with Richard for a good few weeks and saw what he could do in some tough spars with top amateur Filip Hergovic, Alexander Dimitrenko, Marious Wach, Deontay Wilder and of course David Haye ...

After having seen him knowing his top attitude, training and sparring - I was really dissapointed with his performance against Lucas Browne - I remember saying to member of Team Hayemaker during the Browne fight "this isnt the Richard we know" ...

So whilst some of you have rightly stated your opinion on the stuff you have seen him in that fight with Browne, I just keep thinking he can do so much better.

Maybe it's the mental side of things though mate. Maybe he can perform in the gym but not come fight night.

columbo wrote: Who has Fury beaten though in all honesty? Johnson? The most passive boxer known to mankind and Cunningham who was basically a light punching cruiserweight. By the way, I think Fury would beat Price because he's the more durable and the stronger mentally but in terms of boxing ability, I wouldnt say Fury is superior to Price.

Fury has demonstrated a few things that Price hasn't. Fury has shown that he can get up off the floor to win; whereas Price has shown he cant. Both men have questionable chins, but Fury thus far has shown he can shake the cobwebs out and win. Fury has shown that he can indeed box twelve whole rounds if he had to. Price, as I stated before, hasn't ever showed the kind of patience to want to really do that--- because anytime he does try to box, he gets tagged, gets mad, and then goes for kayos. It's too hard for him, or he simply doesnt have the grit to do the hard work and keep jabbing and using a method and strategy to defeat opponents. Fury has shown he has good ring generalship for a man of 6'9" and 260 pounds, whereas Price just came forward at opponents. He only has one gear.

And I do agree with you, though, that Fury hasn't quite fought anyone that is really worth much of anything in the division--- Cunningham is good against ex Cruiserweights like himself, but Steve's shown (recently) that he doesn't quite belong at heavyweight because he went eight rounds with some heavyweight not worth mentioning and it was somewhat competitive. And, Kevin Johnson, has the lowest punch rate of any boxer I have ever seen--- but he is tough and well conditioned--- and if anything it was a good excercise to show the world Fury could box a full twelve. His best wins, imho, were against Chisora (which was exciting and close) and Rogan--- a fight that demonstrated Fury could change tactics and perform well against someone who was a seasoned veteran who once held a championship in Britain. Personally (and maybe I'm biased) I think Fury has the potential to get into a heavyweight championship fight and do real well, but I agree he needs to face the Chris Arreola's, Deontay Wilder's (who I suspect is more a Michael Grant than George Foreman), and Bryant Jennings's of the world before he can say he's really all that good.

Simple question. If Price would "destroy" Browne why has he side stepped him ? Surely if he would "destroy" him that would be a great route back.
I think we all know the answer don't we ?
As for Towers - game on if Price fancies it.

Parson Cross wrote:Simple question. If Price would "destroy" Browne why has he side stepped him ? Surely if he would "destroy" him that would be a great route back.
I think we all know the answer don't we ?
As for Towers - game on if Price fancies it.

It could have something to do with the fact that he's coming off two back to back knockout losses and his confidence is shot to shit. You and everyone knows that would be stupid fight to come back on.

Spud wrote:People have mentioned Richard Towers in this thread.

I was with Richard for a good few weeks and saw what he could do in some tough spars with top amateur Filip Hergovic, Alexander Dimitrenko, Marious Wach, Deontay Wilder and of course David Haye ...

After having seen him knowing his top attitude, training and sparring - I was really dissapointed with his performance against Lucas Browne - I remember saying to member of Team Hayemaker during the Browne fight "this isnt the Richard we know" ...

So whilst some of you have rightly stated your opinion on the stuff you have seen him in that fight with Browne, I just keep thinking he can do so much better.

Towers looked just as bad against Browne as he did in his previous fight against Gregory Tony - sluggish, unfit, laboured, lacking a jab, disorganised - and in both fights he went to pieces when hit. Whatever he does in sparring, he isn't reproducing it in the ring.

Richard Towers is absolutely awful, man. How can anyone even begin to compare him to Price?

Karl Jade wrote:Richard Towers is absolutely awful, man. How can anyone even begin to compare him to Price?

Yeah, been reading through this thread Price is way better than Towers. Lucas Browne would give Price nightmares though with his bullish style. Booth is probably busy with his own life to go travelling round Europe training Price for peanuts.

Fancy giving up a belt to avoid a fight...Can't ever see Fury doing something like, oh hold on

I'm a fan of both guys. I think Fury will go further but if they ever fought? I really believe Price would knock Fury spark out.

I really do feel sorry for Price.
He comes across in interviews as a great fella.
Would really be nice for him to catch some good luck.

tonyevs wrote:I really do feel sorry for Price.
He comes across in interviews as a great fella.
Would really be nice for him to catch some good luck.

He is a nice bloke but luck don't really come in to it. Its not as if he has had bad luck.

Its easy to fall for the scouse victim thing

I like Pricey but he simply reached his level with the Tiger.

It seems to me Sauerland didn't want to be dealing with a tricky operator like Booth. Understandably they want to call the shots and don't want the dark lord maneovering in the background. Price just needs to move on and get another tariner possibly abroad -he has no choice if he wants to be a player.

rm1 wrote:It seems to me Sauerland didn't want to be dealing with a tricky operator like Booth. Understandably they want to call the shots and don't want the dark lord maneovering in the background.

WRONG!!!

Getting back to Price vacating his British and Commonwealth belts,why was Chisora able to become mandatory for them when he held the European? Its like Froch getting made mandatory for the European,apart from the Price bout becoming a big domestic clash surely Dereck has bigger fish to fry

Spud wrote:

rm1 wrote:It seems to me Sauerland didn't want to be dealing with a tricky operator like Booth. Understandably they want to call the shots and don't want the dark lord maneovering in the background.

WRONG!!!

I have a feeling it was because Price was getting beaten up in sparring or atleast showing signs that Booth wasnt sure he could fix. Not expecting you to clarify that though Spud

He doesn't know

HomicideHenry wrote:

columbo wrote: Who has Fury beaten though in all honesty? Johnson? The most passive boxer known to mankind and Cunningham who was basically a light punching cruiserweight. By the way, I think Fury would beat Price because he's the more durable and the stronger mentally but in terms of boxing ability, I wouldnt say Fury is superior to Price.

Fury has demonstrated a few things that Price hasn't. Fury has shown that he can get up off the floor to win; whereas Price has shown he cant. Both men have questionable chins, but Fury thus far has shown he can shake the cobwebs out and win. Fury has shown that he can indeed box twelve whole rounds if he had to. Price, as I stated before, hasn't ever showed the kind of patience to want to really do that--- because anytime he does try to box, he gets tagged, gets mad, and then goes for kayos. It's too hard for him, or he simply doesnt have the grit to do the hard work and keep jabbing and using a method and strategy to defeat opponents. Fury has shown he has good ring generalship for a man of 6'9" and 260 pounds, whereas Price just came forward at opponents. He only has one gear.

And I do agree with you, though, that Fury hasn't quite fought anyone that is really worth much of anything in the division--- Cunningham is good against ex Cruiserweights like himself, but Steve's shown (recently) that he doesn't quite belong at heavyweight because he went eight rounds with some heavyweight not worth mentioning and it was somewhat competitive. And, Kevin Johnson, has the lowest punch rate of any boxer I have ever seen--- but he is tough and well conditioned--- and if anything it was a good excercise to show the world Fury could box a full twelve. His best wins, imho, were against Chisora (which was exciting and close) and Rogan--- a fight that demonstrated Fury could change tactics and perform well against someone who was a seasoned veteran who once held a championship in Britain. Personally (and maybe I'm biased) I think Fury has the potential to get into a heavyweight championship fight and do real well, but I agree he needs to face the Chris Arreola's, Deontay Wilder's (who I suspect is more a Michael Grant than George Foreman), and Bryant Jennings's of the world before he can say he's really all that good.

Good post.

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