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Coco wrote:I can't see how people can vote against PBF or Froch

Really?

Mayweather: Alvarez & Guerrero
Bradley: Provodnikov & Marquez
Provodnikov: Bradley (loss) & Alvarado
Rigondeaux: Donaire & Agbeko
Stevenson: Dawson, Cloud, Bellew & Boone

How is Mayweather's year clearly better than various other boxers'?

There's no clear winner: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=175588

Coco wrote:I can't see how people can vote against PBF or Froch

Froch: Kessler & Groves (farce)
Murray: Martinez (loss) & Khomitsky (journeyman)
Groves: Froch (cheated not defeated), Alcoba & two journeyen
Frampton: Martinez & Parodi
Barker: Geale, Rotolo & Sturm (loss - destroyed)

Froch is not the clear winner.

expe wrote:

Coco wrote:I can't see how people can vote against PBF or Froch

I just don't get how Froch could be fighter of the year after taking a beating from Groves for the first 6 rounds, to me it should be for whoever has performed best throughout the year and while Froch is undoubtedly the best fighter in the country, numerous fighters have turned in better performances than him.

Whatever you think of him he got up of his arse took a beating for 6 rounds and dragged himself back into it to get the win. Huge event against Kessler and looked good against him. Nobody comes close to him. Everyone else has actually lost yet your saying he can't be fighter of the year as he lost a few rounds, the lost rounds the others lost fights

jackukmma wrote:Whatever you think of him he got up of his arse took a beating for 6 rounds and dragged himself back into it to get the win. Huge event against Kessler and looked good against him. Nobody comes close to him. Everyone else has actually lost yet your saying he can't be fighter of the year as he lost a few rounds, the lost rounds the others lost fights

I don't care what the record books say, Froch didn't beat Groves.

Horse wrote:

jackukmma wrote:Whatever you think of him he got up of his arse took a beating for 6 rounds and dragged himself back into it to get the win. Huge event against Kessler and looked good against him. Nobody comes close to him. Everyone else has actually lost yet your saying he can't be fighter of the year as he lost a few rounds, the lost rounds the others lost fights

I don't care what the record books say, Froch didn't beat Groves.

Unfortunately for all watching, he did, book or no book.

macaca wrote:Unfortunately for all watching, he did, book or no book.

That's not true.

Horse wrote:

macaca wrote:Unfortunately for all watching, he did, book or no book.

That's not true.

You should be turned to glue

Horse you seriously feel groves was on course to win???
The kid shot his bolt & was all over the place!
He handed froch's ass to him but couldn't keep his foot down on the gas & froch took the driving seat & it was all over.
If there's a return I feel both fighters would be both hugely cautious

hurlock wrote:Horse you seriously feel groves was on course to win???
The kid shot his bolt & was all over the place!
He handed froch's ass to him but couldn't keep his foot down on the gas & froch took the driving seat & it was all over.
If there's a return I feel both fighters would be both hugely cautious

Groves could have got a second wind. He still had a good chance of winning that fight.

jackukmma wrote:

expe wrote:

Coco wrote:I can't see how people can vote against PBF or Froch

I just don't get how Froch could be fighter of the year after taking a beating from Groves for the first 6 rounds, to me it should be for whoever has performed best throughout the year and while Froch is undoubtedly the best fighter in the country, numerous fighters have turned in better performances than him.

Whatever you think of him he got up of his arse took a beating for 6 rounds and dragged himself back into it to get the win. Huge event against Kessler and looked good against him. Nobody comes close to him. Everyone else has actually lost yet your saying he can't be fighter of the year as he lost a few rounds, the lost rounds the others lost fights

I named about a dozen fighters earlier who hadn't lost and could be considered for it. Performing as badly as he did for 6 rounds, then needing a shocking stoppage to get the win, isn't fighter of the year material, it should go to the fighter who performed the best throughout the year and there are numerous fighters who have turned in better performances than him.

hurlock wrote:Horse you seriously feel groves was on course to win???
The kid shot his bolt & was all over the place!
He handed froch's ass to him but couldn't keep his foot down on the gas & froch took the driving seat & it was all over.
If there's a return I feel both fighters would be both hugely cautious

F*ck me - I almost agreed with this post.

Got to the last line ... if there is a rematch, Froch will be totally different in his attitude to training, the build up and in addition the fight ... I honestly think he would smash Groves.

Spoke to someone today, I sincerely hope Groves does not get the rematch ... why?? - he is acting like a right *** - I heard him and a couple of his inner circle moaning about the "war of words" that was going on twitter in the build up to the Kenny Anderson fight, I actually agreed, some of the so called banter was truly disgusting ... but yet its now ok for Groves to use twitter to disrespect one of the best fighters this country has produced.

Froch is meant to be the consummate professional who is allway's prepared I think how he came back showed what shape he was in.
Froch can't deal with speed & is slow out the blocks, dirrell,Taylor,ward & groves have exposed his weakness,Taylor was miles infront & ward may have lost a round dirrell was controversial & groves was way ahead despite the judges scores.

Froch can visibly not outgun groves early on he's to slow!!frochs defence is shocking but fook does it make it intresting!
Hearns has stated this fight is big & can be made but groves is wanting more of a split & that's what might not make it happen.people don't pick up on George's spoilt & bratish ways. Look at the purses & fights froch has taken to get himself were he is.

Horse is, not for the first time, talking utter pony.

Froch beat groves.

I would love to see a rematch though

squared circle wrote:Froch beat groves.

Groves: Cheated not defeated.

hurlock wrote:people don't pick up on George's spoilt & bratish ways.

Not for this thread - its deserves its own thread in time.

For me, Groves would SMASH Froch if and when a rematch takes place. People forget that young, lippy George would have learned a lot too having pushed the Cobra all the way first time around. The first fight proved a lot. 1. that Groves belongs in world class, 2. he cracks hard enough to hurt Froch, 3. he's faster than Carl and 4. that Froch is past his best, which was evident before he even fought George.

Groves should never have been stopped but I concede he was in bother and could well have lost the fight with Froch in the ascendency. But let's get it right, Groves LOST the fight more than Froch WON it by electing to mix it. A more tactically astute Groves will walk the rematch. Trust me.

Coco wrote:I can't see how people can vote against PBF or Froch

I think you may be overrating Alvarez and/or Guerrero if you think that.

hurlock wrote:Froch is meant to be the consummate professional who is allway's prepared I think how he came back showed what shape he was in.
Froch can't deal with speed & is slow out the blocks, dirrell,Taylor,ward & groves have exposed his weakness,Taylor was miles infront & ward may have lost a round dirrell was controversial & groves was way ahead despite the judges scores.

Froch can visibly not outgun groves early on he's to slow!!frochs defence is shocking but fook does it make it intresting!
Hearns has stated this fight is big & can be made but groves is wanting more of a split & that's what might not make it happen.people don't pick up on George's spoilt & bratish ways. Look at the purses & fights froch has taken to get himself were he is.

Worst of all for Froch, I think his chins starting to crack, he was rocked by Kessler, Groves knocked him flat on his arse and hurt him time after time in the rounds after that. All those years of walking through punches are finally starting to take their toll and at 36, he's only going to get worse physically. If he isn't interested in money, retirement isn't a bad option for him, Carl has nothing to prove and not fighting Groves again would harm his legacy more than not fighting again for me.

Lightsoot wrote:For me, Groves would SMASH Froch if and when a rematch takes place. People forget that young, lippy George would have learned a lot too having pushed the Cobra all the way first time around. The first fight proved a lot. 1. that Groves belongs in world class, 2. he cracks hard enough to hurt Froch, 3. he's faster than Carl and 4. that Froch is past his best, which was evident before he even fought George.

Groves should never have been stopped but I concede he was in bother and could well have lost the fight with Froch in the ascendency. But let's get it right, Groves LOST the fight more than Froch WON it by electing to mix it. A more tactically astute Groves will walk the rematch. Trust me.

Let the battle commence ....

Horse wrote:

hurlock wrote:Horse you seriously feel groves was on course to win???
The kid shot his bolt & was all over the place!
He handed froch's ass to him but couldn't keep his foot down on the gas & froch took the driving seat & it was all over.
If there's a return I feel both fighters would be both hugely cautious

Groves could have got a second wind. He still had a good chance of winning that fight.

You need your head looked at you really do Donkey old boy.

taffytoon wrote:You need your head looked at you really do Donkey old boy.

Foster should have been fired.

Horse wrote:

taffytoon wrote:You need your head looked at you really do Donkey old boy.

Foster should have been fired.

You should be fired at.

taffytoon wrote:You should be fired at.

Is that a threat?

Horse wrote:

taffytoon wrote:You need your head looked at you really do Donkey old boy.

Foster should have been fired.

I think Foster should have had the option of issuing a standing eight count.

Aden wrote:I think Foster should have had the option of issuing a standing eight count.

Even that would have been harsh on Groves.

Aden wrote:

Horse wrote:

taffytoon wrote:You need your head looked at you really do Donkey old boy.

Foster should have been fired.

I think Foster should have had the option of issuing a standing eight count.

I allway's thought that there ain't no such thing as an eight count unless the fighter jumps up & the ref wants to score the knockdown & give time ??
Also if they think the ropes have stopped the fighter from getting knocked over they administer one, which I didn't know & if foster thought this was the case & didn't do it he played froch the advantage