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Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 18 Jan 2014, 22:15
by elmersalsa
evrenb wrote:Sugar Ray Robinson : speed, power, chin, balance, ring generalship, grace and beauty, heart, excitement...the guy had it ALL!!
Were you around when he was fighting?
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 18 Jan 2014, 22:34
by raylawpc
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:raylawpc wrote:Sugar Ray Robinson Nobody else comes close in terms of being a complete fighter . . .
I'd think that Ezzard Charles would.
No. After the Baroudi fight, he became more conservative and restrained.
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 19 Jan 2014, 02:14
by SaadOffTheDeck
So that means he didn't have the ability? That's confusing. I've never heard any recollections of something that Charles wasn't proficient at.
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 19 Jan 2014, 03:57
by evrenb
elmersalsa wrote:evrenb wrote:Sugar Ray Robinson : speed, power, chin, balance, ring generalship, grace and beauty, heart, excitement...the guy had it ALL!!
Were you around when he was fighting?
So maybe i got this wrong. . . I was born in 1974 so no. Are you saying then what fighters I have seen live in the flesh??
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 19 Jan 2014, 18:32
by raylawpc
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:So that means he didn't have the ability? That's confusing. I've never heard any recollections of something that Charles wasn't proficient at.
I'm sorry. I wasn't aware that the question was about ability. I thought it was about completeness. Silly me.
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 19 Jan 2014, 18:42
by BoxBuzz
Well you could count on Monzon not to entertain any regrets. Being a sociopath might be an advantage in the fight business.
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 19 Jan 2014, 20:45
by Jaclem
.....joe louis....
ezzard charles....
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 19 Jan 2014, 21:24
by BoxBuzz
The only thing missing from Archie Moore's game was a win over Charles.
A defining fluke that makes Jaclem smile.
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 20 Jan 2014, 09:08
by SaadOffTheDeck
raylawpc wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:So that means he didn't have the ability? That's confusing. I've never heard any recollections of something that Charles wasn't proficient at.
I'm sorry. I wasn't aware that the question was about ability. I thought it was about completeness. Silly me.
What's the difference?
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 20 Jan 2014, 20:21
by Jaclem
....archie belongs.....i was just giving buzzy the chance to mention him...
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 22 Jan 2014, 12:16
by Ambling Alp II
Surprised so many people have Holyfield. His defense was not very good.
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 22 Jan 2014, 12:26
by Ezzard
Of my lifetime probably Hearns and Leonard...Mike Spinks...Holmes... I've seen all of them box, box on the retreat, go toe-to-toe, slip and slide in the pocket...hit the body, score 1 shot KOs, wear a man down before finishing him, Force the KO, sew up a points win when they needed to.
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 22 Jan 2014, 15:17
by elmersalsa
Ambling Alp II wrote:Surprised so many people have Holyfield. His defense was not very good.
Say what??? The great Evander Holyfield could box, slug it out, had a decent punch to knock anybody out, stamina, heart will and definitely, determination. He used to get hit because he was a crowd pleaser in going toe to toe with anybody. But he had defense. Ask the great Mike Tyson.
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 22 Jan 2014, 15:26
by elmersalsa
Plus, Evander had speed.
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 23 Jan 2014, 00:48
by Aftermath
JC Chavez, Salvador Sanchez, Larry Holmes, Ali, Ricardo Lopez, Carlos Monzon, Sugar Ray Robinson, Evander Holyfield
A special mention should go to Ruben Olivares for his fight with Lionel Rose.
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 24 Jan 2014, 17:06
by elmersalsa
Sorry Aftermath but ain't the great Julio Cesar Chavez kind of slow? I believe that the great Aaron Pryor was complete YVONNE
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 25 Jan 2014, 08:15
by stevedoc
elmersalsa wrote:Sorry Aftermath but ain't the great Julio Cesar Chavez kind of slow? I believe that the great Aaron Pryor was complete YVONNE
chavez wasn't slow and a much more rounded fighter than the wild Pryor
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 25 Jan 2014, 23:53
by Jaclem
......pryor was about as complete as jig saw puzzle with 1/2 of the pieces....
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 26 Jan 2014, 00:10
by BoxBuzz
But you have to admit, we are talking a 100% COMPLETE 50%.
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 26 Jan 2014, 07:57
by keithmoonhangover
elmersalsa wrote:These to me, are the MOST COMPLETE FIGHTERS that I have ever seen in my lifetime:
1. Sugar Ray Leonard
2. Roberto Duran
3. Salvador Sanchez
4. Eusebio Pedroza
5. Marvin Hagler
6. Mike McCallum
7. Floyd Mayweather, Jr
8. Miguel "Happy" Lora
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Meldrick Taylor
Who are yours? These guys above had everything. There may be someone that I have missed off the bat, but to my memory, I have not seen more complete fighters than these ten here.
I agree. Leonard above Duran is correct. Leonard had much better footspeed and movement than Duran.
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 26 Jan 2014, 13:14
by SaadOffTheDeck
Duran was much better defensively.
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 26 Jan 2014, 14:16
by keithmoonhangover
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Duran was much better defensively.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WikXEhbQZOs
Re: The Most Complete Fighters that I Have Ever Seen in My Life
Posted: 26 Jan 2014, 16:04
by SaadOffTheDeck
Hearns' greatness doesn't change the truth of the statement.