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expe wrote:

jackukmma wrote:It's daft even talking about it. It's not going to purse bids. Both fighters want it, despite what they might say in the press and media. They've sold the fight brilliantly again. It's worth a fortune. There's no chance at all sky/Hearn let it get to purse bids when they can quite easily give both fighters what they want

Can they give both fighters what they want? If there's a single option in the deal Groves won't sign, Froch is unlikely to agree to a split less than 75-25, but Groves wants good money for the fight, so Froch would need to be paid more, but is the budget there for that? Hearn wants to make big money from the fight and won't want to stand any chance of losing a penny, Sky will only put up so much money and would want Groves to fight on there in future, then there's all the other costs of the show to cover on top, plus Sky are not some all powerful force that blow away everything in their path, other broadcasters will be interested, BT have outbid them for football rights, Sky's main sports market, allegedly and allegedly will undoubtedly want to show the fight, Golden Boy and Sauerland will be interested as well.

leforge wrote:

expe wrote:

jackukmma wrote:It's daft even talking about it. It's not going to purse bids. Both fighters want it, despite what they might say in the press and media. They've sold the fight brilliantly again. It's worth a fortune. There's no chance at all sky/Hearn let it get to purse bids when they can quite easily give both fighters what they want

Can they give both fighters what they want? If there's a single option in the deal Groves won't sign, Froch is unlikely to agree to a split less than 75-25, but Groves wants good money for the fight, so Froch would need to be paid more, but is the budget there for that? Hearn wants to make big money from the fight and won't want to stand any chance of losing a penny, Sky will only put up so much money and would want Groves to fight on there in future, then there's all the other costs of the show to cover on top, plus Sky are not some all powerful force that blow away everything in their path, other broadcasters will be interested, BT have outbid them for football rights, Sky's main sports market, allegedly and allegedly will undoubtedly want to show the fight, Golden Boy and Sauerland will be interested as well.

Get real it end up on sky ppv. How many people bought first fight do you think?

expe wrote: Sky haven't put out figures for the first fight, I haven't got a clue how many it did. Sky were outbid by far by BT for the Champions League rights, if BT want to break into boxing this fight is the perfect option and Sky can work with promoters that aren't Eddie Hearn if they want to, for this fight I doubt they would have a problem working with another promoter.

leforge wrote:Get real it end up on sky ppv. How many people bought first fight do you think?

earsjohn wrote:

expe wrote: Sky haven't put out figures for the first fight, I haven't got a clue how many it did. Sky were outbid by far by BT for the Champions League rights, if BT want to break into boxing this fight is the perfect option and Sky can work with promoters that aren't Eddie Hearn if they want to, for this fight I doubt they would have a problem working with another promoter.

In what universe does Carl Froch agree to fight on a W£rren card? If it somehow ends up going to bids (it won't) and Fwank somehow outbids everyone for the fight, Carl will just pull out. The fight will happen, it will be on Sky Box Office, everyone will make more than enough money and Fwank will dismiss the fight as meaningless as Andre Ward is the true champion at 168.

Anyone who thinks something other than this, can you please let me know what you're drinking; I've not been on a good trip in a while.

expe wrote:

leforge wrote:Get real it end up on sky ppv. How many people bought first fight do you think?

Sky haven't put out figures for the first fight, I haven't got a clue how many it did. Sky were outbid by far by BT for the Champions League rights, if BT want to break into boxing this fight is the perfect option and Sky can work with promoters that aren't Eddie Hearn if they want to, for this fight I doubt they would have a problem working with another promoter.

leforge wrote:

expe wrote:

leforge wrote:Get real it end up on sky ppv. How many people bought first fight do you think?

Sky haven't put out figures for the first fight, I haven't got a clue how many it did. Sky were outbid by far by BT for the Champions League rights, if BT want to break into boxing this fight is the perfect option and Sky can work with promoters that aren't Eddie Hearn if they want to, for this fight I doubt they would have a problem working with another promoter.

Have a guess at the number? Sky will want this rematch it make them a lot of money froch won't fight on another channel.

Parson Cross wrote:Fair enough - but you haven't answered the question.
I've been in and around boxing long enough to know that UK Promotors do not invest in one fight wonders.
Wazza will not put millions up to make a one night profit.
He'll want George's soul win lose or draw.
For that reason in Dragons Den terminology - he's out - if George is good to his word that this isn't about the money it's about the options.

Why am I saying this ?
It ain't fuckin going to purse bids anyway !!

But going back to the original point when Wazza brought Tyson over did he want options ? Damn sure he did.

Parson Cross wrote:Wazza had options on Tyson fighting in the UK. He gave him them back and washed his hands of him after the credit card / expenses dispute.

Parson Cross wrote:Precisely ! He gambled on a Chisora win and it didn't happen !
Froch and a Groves major investment and they both walk away ? DTS.

chad wrote:The Russians who bankrolled Povetkin Vs. Klitschko are interested in Groves / Froch II according to many unreliable Tweeters today. Paddy Fitzpatrick is being fingered as the source of this info.

chad wrote:The Russians who bankrolled Povetkin Vs. Klitschko are interested in Groves / Froch II according to many unreliable Tweeters today. Paddy Fitzpatrick is being fingered as the source of this info.

chad wrote:The Russians who bankrolled Povetkin Vs. Klitschko are interested in Groves / Froch II according to many unreliable Tweeters today. Paddy Fitzpatrick is being fingered as the source of this info.

daviddee wrote:People saying this won't go to purse bids??? How do you know this?? George Groves isn't exactly the most conventional kind of guy!! If he see's this as leverage then he's going to use it!!! If He keeps refusing Hearns offers then purse bids it is!! I'm sure the IBF will have created a deadline for the rematch to be agreed before it goes to purse bids!!

My feeling is Hearn will make an acceptable bid before that happens although I have a sneaky suspicion that Groves is at the mind games again!!