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Khan lacks the punch resistance to employ the exciting style you want him to.

If he thinks Floyd is going to stay in his shell like Kotelnik for 12 amateurish he is deluded.

My opinion? Khan knows he has no chance. He just wants that big fat undeserving payday. And with this degrading worldwide debate on his chin I suspect he will spend all night running away, in a desperate bid to deny Mayweather the KO win he needs and to 'restore his credibility'.

i went 12 rdz wiv the p4p no1 on the planat & stil haterz say i got no chin hahaha. now 2 further proove my chin in my upcoming rematch wiv KO artist paulie malignatchi

To be fair to Khan, he hasn't avoided punchers. Perhaps he should have.

mickey1975 wrote:To be fair to Khan, he hasn't avoided punchers. Perhaps he should have.

Perhaps he's just not that good. I mean he's good but not as good as he thinks he is.

I dont think Khan tries to avoid anyone (and credit to him) but those around him definitely know his shortcomings in the chin department.

GBP did a deal with Maidana's ex-manager in return for Marcos not to pursue Khan when Maidana held the mandatory position with the WBA.

When Marcos was calling Amir out, his ex-manager was trying to derail the fight as per Schaefer's wishes. Then Maidana found out about it, and cut his manager loose - he then wrote to the WBA to instigate a mandatory purse bid situation.

Khan had to either vacate or fight him. HBO wanted Amir to have the title - and were also keen on the fight - so it was decided to take it.

It was a great fight, marred by the constant intervention of Joe Cortez, pushing off Maidana and getting inbetween them.

Those who say the sport ain't rigged need to digest the above (it's all there on google).

G0mez wrote:I dont think Khan tries to avoid anyone (and credit to him) but those around him definitely know his shortcomings in the chin department.

GBP did a deal with Maidana's ex-manager in return for Marcos not to pursue Khan when Maidana held the mandatory position with the WBA.

When Marcos was calling Amir out, his ex-manager was trying to derail the fight as per Schaefer's wishes. Then Maidana found out about it, and cut his manager loose - he then wrote to the WBA to instigate a mandatory purse bid situation.

Khan had to either vacate or fight him. HBO wanted Amir to have the title - and were also keen on the fight - so it was decided to take it.

It was a great fight, marred by the constant intervention of Joe Cortez, pushing off Maidana and getting inbetween them.

Those who say the sport ain't rigged need to digest the above (it's all there on google).

That's called matchmaking, nothing you wrote is about rigging a fight.

ttornado wrote:

G0mez wrote:I dont think Khan tries to avoid anyone (and credit to him) but those around him definitely know his shortcomings in the chin department.

GBP did a deal with Maidana's ex-manager in return for Marcos not to pursue Khan when Maidana held the mandatory position with the WBA.

When Marcos was calling Amir out, his ex-manager was trying to derail the fight as per Schaefer's wishes. Then Maidana found out about it, and cut his manager loose - he then wrote to the WBA to instigate a mandatory purse bid situation.

Khan had to either vacate or fight him. HBO wanted Amir to have the title - and were also keen on the fight - so it was decided to take it.

It was a great fight, marred by the constant intervention of Joe Cortez, pushing off Maidana and getting inbetween them.

Those who say the sport ain't rigged need to digest the above (it's all there on google).

That's called matchmaking, nothing you wrote is about rigging a fight.

It's pretty bloody shady though. Particularily when Maidana's own manager was trying to stop the fight going ahead *probably to line his own pockets*

ttornado wrote:
That's called matchmaking, nothing you wrote is about rigging a fight.

Actually it's called manipulation, and it's against the spirit of the sport.

Quietly paying people to go away is not 'matchmaking'.

It's matchunmaking.

Tuan_Jim wrote:Quietly paying people to go away is not 'matchmaking'.

It's matchunmaking.

sometimes you have to unmake a match to make a match.

G0mez wrote:

ttornado wrote:
That's called matchmaking, nothing you wrote is about rigging a fight.

Actually it's called manipulation, and it's against the spirit of the sport.

When has boxing ever lived up to this mythical 'spirit of the sport'.

ttornado wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:Quietly paying people to go away is not 'matchmaking'.

It's matchunmaking.

sometimes you have to unmake a match to make a match.

Christ, what hideous doublethink is this?

You sound like you've been brainwashed.

Tuan_Jim wrote: Christ, what hideous doublethink is this?

You sound like you've been brainwashed.

It's called living in the real world.

Boxing is far better today than it used to be, it used to be ran by mobsters.

At least under the mobsters there was generally one champion per division.

Ah, GBP, Arum, King, officially the benevolent face of good clean honest boxing. As approved by WBC's unelected dictator-for-life 'Don' Suilaman Jnr. The WBA have furnished all parties with the exact same title, please send your sanctioning fee immediately.

Christ.

Tuan_Jim wrote:At least under the mobsters there was generally one champion per division.

But that was sometimes 'their' man not the best man.

ttornado wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:At least under the mobsters there was generally one champion per division.

But that was sometimes 'their' man not the best man.

Thank you for taking a wry remark so seriously.

Today we often have GBP or Allegedly or Hearns, or Don Suliman's or the WBA's or the WBO's 'man' as champ and not the best man because the best man isn't connected or playing ball.

Wow, what scenario does that remind me of?

G0mez wrote:I dont think Khan tries to avoid anyone (and credit to him) but those around him definitely know his shortcomings in the chin department.

GBP did a deal with Maidana's ex-manager in return for Marcos not to pursue Khan when Maidana held the mandatory position with the WBA.

When Marcos was calling Amir out, his ex-manager was trying to derail the fight as per Schaefer's wishes. Then Maidana found out about it, and cut his manager loose - he then wrote to the WBA to instigate a mandatory purse bid situation.

Khan had to either vacate or fight him. HBO wanted Amir to have the title - and were also keen on the fight - so it was decided to take it.

It was a great fight, marred by the constant intervention of Joe Cortez, pushing off Maidana and getting inbetween them.

Those who say the sport ain't rigged need to digest the above (it's all there on google).

You keep banging on about Cortez in this fight, but can you spot one fight where Cortez acted in any different way to his handling of that fight. Khan, after all, did not go down. Maidana had plenty of chance to finish it off, but didn't. He hardly did a Howard Foster on behalf of the house fighter, did he?

Yes, I can.

To see two totally contradictory, mutually incompatible styles of Joe Cortez refereeing, compare Hatton/Mayweather and Maidana/Khan ('strictly no infighting allowed, underdog!') with Hopkins/Calzaghe ('infighting all day! It suits the old man's style!').

Gobbles, there are a heap of videos and interviews with Maidana, his team and just general onlookers.

They were all furious with Cortez and watching the fight it was clear to spot his subtle intervention at important moments.

"I thought at one point he was going to hit me" Maidana said post fight. There were also marks on him where Cortez had grabbed at him.

G0mez wrote:Gobbles, there are a heap of videos and interviews with Maidana, his team and just general onlookers.

They were all furious with Cortez and watching the fight it was clear to spot his subtle intervention at important moments.

"I thought at one point he was going to hit me" Maidana said post fight. There were also marks on him where Cortez had grabbed at him.

Wow, losing fighter complains about referee. Never heard that before. Cortez is/was a crap ego-driven referee, nothing new in that. However, in this case, I don't see what he did so wrong.
The only times Cortez split them was when Khan was holding and the time Maidana got angry was when Khan was holding, turned away and Maidana hit him over the back of the head. If Cortez was really in the Khan camp, he could have stopped the action to warn Maidana then for punching on the break and hitting on the back of the head.
Most people would look at that and say Maidana had two minutes to finish off "chinny" Khan who was out on his feet, but Maidana couldn't do it. Khan showed tons of guts standing up to that and I can't see how any boxing fan would criticise a fighter for trying to hold on to survive a round. Compare that to Corrales spitting out his gumshield twice to buy time and getting away with it, how many on here would say Corrales was anything but a legend.
Other people have said Cortez should have stopped it, but the reality is, in America, if a boxer keeps moving and stays on his feet, it is very unlikely to be stopped. As he was champion, that is usually doubly so.
Try watching the fight and being neutral. And then compare to the favour Foster did house fighter Froch, Edwards did for house fighter Chisora v Malik and Mickey Vann and Dave Parris did for Ricky Hatton all the time. It's easy to constantly knock Khan, but it's boring.
Anyway, when's your man Froch going to swallow his pride and offer Groves 25% to get the fight made?

gobbles wrote: Try watching the fight and being neutral.

Thats rich, the entire boxing world thought Cortez was horrendous - at one point Khan was turning away and Cortez dived in waving his finger at Maidana, but you think it was a good effort by the referee ?

Trying watching it as a neutral.

It's easy to constantly knock Khan

It's very easy indeed when afforded so much ammo. The guy is an ass hat.

G0mez wrote:

gobbles wrote: Try watching the fight and being neutral.

Thats rich, the entire boxing world thought Cortez was horrendous - at one point Khan was turning away and Cortez dived in waving his finger at Maidana, but you think it was a good effort by the referee ?

Trying watching it as a neutral.

It's easy to constantly knock Khan

It's very easy indeed when afforded so much ammo. The guy is an ass hat.

No, "the entire boxing world" did not think it was horrendous. I don't remember any reports at the time that were hugely critical of Cortez. It is a rumour that has grown in the years since on websites. Here's a link to another discussion on the matter.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/ ... idana.html

If you (as your decision to post that picture rather proves) look at everything involving Khan from an entirely negative point of view, you characterise every contrary point of view as extreme as your own.
The mass view of that fight is not that Cortez cheated Maidana, the mass view it is that it was a great fight and Khan did well to survive the round. If you were desperate to see Khan lose, as no doubt you were, you were not viewing the fight in an unbiased way.
Did Tony Weeks cheat Castillo out of his win against Corrales, by allowing Corrales to spit out his gumshield and then giving him more time to recover by deducting a point? Not everything in the world is a conspiracy.

Khan is a very good boxer with some fine qualities but anyone who has seen him box would not believe he could take a top super middleweights punch, even in sparring with headgear and large gloves. It'll no doubt be a ploy to tip the balance and ensure he gets the big fight over Maidana.

Khan does come across as a bit of a twat sometimes but I'm sure we all would if we were young and loaded.

Did Khan get confused about sparring John Murray as well at one point?

oh yeah this will be it
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/otherspo ... crite-Khan

columbo wrote:This is embarrassing. Now Hunter is trying to claim that when Khan said Ward, he meant Ward's sparring partner http://www.BS.com/hunter-clear ... ing--74502

yes, but he also said that Khan had held his own with the big punching Angulo, which is a positive, so not all lost there.