Do you mind me asking what you're gloating about Parson ?Parson Cross wrote:Just having a laugh reading back the old threads on this.
Wonder how many people will change their minds now ?
Froch was in worse shape in the 1st and the 6th than Groves was in the 9th, his chin's cracking, he's old and slow, Groves lost the fight because when Froch started to come on stronger, as he does, he tried to trade with him and got caught, but he was winning the fight comfortably before that, if he'd have got on his bike and moved, he would have won the fight, this time he'll beat Froch, hopefully by a nice clean KO to remove any doubt, but points will do, he didn't just land a 'Sunday punch', he outboxed Froch for most of the fight and beat him up for the first 6 rounds.SamWise72 wrote:I can't see Georgie landing his Sunday punch again, so Froch for me. The KD won't be in Froch 's mind, he's been there before. What they'll both be remembering is that the last time either wad in the ring, Groves was getting punched round the ring like a rag doll. He's never got a man as hard as he hit Froch and have taken get up and fight on, and he's never been beaten up like that before. You'll see a more cautious Groves, and a more cautious Froch, then later it'll be the trenches, and Carl will win. Groves' real chance to beat Froch passed by when he didn't go for him after the knockdown, and it's not coming back.
In the last two rounds of the first fight, Carl waited for George to throw and then threw back. That's when he won the fight.jamesmcdonnell wrote:Froch isn't and never has been a counterpuncher - he's too slow, that isn't how he will win.keithmoonhangover wrote:It didn't go to purse bids, oh, what a surprise.
If Froch counters, he wins. If he leads, he loses.
Froch needs to start quicker, and not get clattered by a big shot early on. Apply steady pressure and not leave Groves as much time to pick him off. Froch could also do with throwing the jab with real purpose, and following it up immediately with other shots, instead of pawing with it, leaving himself to the right hand counter.
JimJim2009 wrote:Do you mind me asking what you're gloating about Parson ?Parson Cross wrote:Just having a laugh reading back the old threads on this.
Wonder how many people will change their minds now ?
(I don't mean that in a "did you spill my pint ?" way, I'm just curious. I tuned out of those debates after a while)
He said it was late May and would be announced mid-February... He said that after returning from the Ringside studio, and people still chose to ignore him.stevedoc wrote:JimJim2009 wrote:Do you mind me asking what you're gloating about Parson ?Parson Cross wrote:Just having a laugh reading back the old threads on this.
Wonder how many people will change their minds now ?
(I don't mean that in a "did you spill my pint ?" way, I'm just curious. I tuned out of those debates after a while)
i think he means that he said a while back that the fight would happen in may when others were saying wouldn't happen, i might be completely wrong :)
I think that was because Groves was slowing down, and Froch could see that he needed to pick his spots. Froch cannot afford to stand and pose and leave Groves room to punch early on. If Groves paces himself, he could win on points, by building a big lead early on.keithmoonhangover wrote:In the last two rounds of the first fight, Carl waited for George to throw and then threw back. That's when he won the fight.jamesmcdonnell wrote:Froch isn't and never has been a counterpuncher - he's too slow, that isn't how he will win.keithmoonhangover wrote:It didn't go to purse bids, oh, what a surprise.
If Froch counters, he wins. If he leads, he loses.
Froch needs to start quicker, and not get clattered by a big shot early on. Apply steady pressure and not leave Groves as much time to pick him off. Froch could also do with throwing the jab with real purpose, and following it up immediately with other shots, instead of pawing with it, leaving himself to the right hand counter.
Gonna have to agree to disagree. Be good to watch though. Will you be going mate?jamesmcdonnell wrote:I think that was because Groves was slowing down, and Froch could see that he needed to pick his spots. Froch cannot afford to stand and pose and leave Groves room to punch early on. If Groves paces himself, he could win on points, by building a big lead early on.
I think that's unfair mate lolpalooka wrote:Groves didn't hit Froch his hardest the first fight; he's landed bigger shots on other fighters, With a proper and settled camp Groves will knock Froch clean out. I hope Froch thinks he's taken the hardest shot and got through, he'll wake up the week after.
I can understand that columbo, it's just how I feel about it. It was Groves had the worst of it first time around - fall out with trainer, no gym, no routine, built up to be the anti hero and to have insulted the British icon so badly, With a proper settled camp he'll do much better than before. Froch will be another 6 months past his physical prime and a beating and a hard training camp after the last fight. Groves will do him.columbo wrote:I think that's unfair mate lolpalooka wrote:Groves didn't hit Froch his hardest the first fight; he's landed bigger shots on other fighters, With a proper and settled camp Groves will knock Froch clean out. I hope Froch thinks he's taken the hardest shot and got through, he'll wake up the week after.
I see what you're saying and agree with the general sentiment but I dont think Groves could hit Froch any harder than he did in that fight. On top of that Froch will be more respectful of Groves's abilities going into the rematch.palooka wrote:I can understand that columbo, it's just how I feel about it. It was Groves had the worst of it first time around - fall out with trainer, no gym, no routine, built up to be the anti hero and to have insulted the British icon so badly, With a proper settled camp he'll do much better than before. Froch will be another 6 months past his physical prime and a beating and a hard training camp after the last fight. Groves will do him.columbo wrote:I think that's unfair mate lolpalooka wrote:Groves didn't hit Froch his hardest the first fight; he's landed bigger shots on other fighters, With a proper and settled camp Groves will knock Froch clean out. I hope Froch thinks he's taken the hardest shot and got through, he'll wake up the week after.
Just the worry of being knocked flat on his arse again.Riddick Blowe wrote:For this rematch Groves will always have that nagging feeling in his head: 'Can I finish the fight?'
Froch will have no such worries.
That's huge mentally and it'll mean Groves will inevitably start slower and take no chances early. That plays into Froch's hands and allows Carl to feel his way into the fight so he's in a position to turn it up in the later rounds and manhandle Groves to another stoppage win.
How do you, like, know that it wasn't his best shot and this and that. You're properly being racist, but about his punching power and sh1t. If I was him, I'd be up in your face blaaad.palooka wrote:I can understand that columbo, it's just how I feel about it. It was Groves had the worst of it first time around - fall out with trainer, no gym, no routine, built up to be the anti hero and to have insulted the British icon so badly, With a proper settled camp he'll do much better than before. Froch will be another 6 months past his physical prime and a beating and a hard training camp after the last fight. Groves will do him.columbo wrote:I think that's unfair mate lolpalooka wrote:Groves didn't hit Froch his hardest the first fight; he's landed bigger shots on other fighters, With a proper and settled camp Groves will knock Froch clean out. I hope Froch thinks he's taken the hardest shot and got through, he'll wake up the week after.
I'm speechless keith, I knew you were mental but I'm impressed with the split personality palooka wrote:How do you, like, know that it wasn't his best shot and this and that. You're properly being racist, but about his punching power and sh1t. If I was him, I'd be up in your face blaaad.
I'm speechless keith, I knew you were mental but I'm impressed with the split personality [/quote]That's probably wise. 8)palooka wrote:Haha I'm sure you are and we'll leave it at that
Who, me? 8)palooka wrote:But you wanna ditch those shades, you look like him in Coronation Street
You can hold the coats; I've nearly thrown the computer across the room alreadylillywhite14 wrote:I'm pleased it looks like it will be going ahead.
Certainly going to keep out of Froch-Groves threads from here on in though, judging from what's gone on in the past and how this one is shaping up already!
Enjoy the bickering ladies