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It was a HUGE shock... But more so because few thought much of foreman prior to his smashing Frazier. He was viewed as slow, clumsy, and limited. Frazier had already looked lackluster in his last two fights following his meeting with Ali and developing more and more health issues. One of the guys in his camp was interviewed and said that Frazier acted more like a cruise line director at training camp for the foreman fight than he did a world champ preparing to defend his title.

Il Duce wrote:Charles 'Sonny' Liston

Beat a lot of good fighters, but never beat a Great One. As a matter of fact, he never faced a Great One either.

Who did your pick as No 1 Heavyweight Jack Dempsey beat who was great?

Tomasino wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Charles 'Sonny' Liston

Beat a lot of good fighters, but never beat a Great One. As a matter of fact, he never faced a Great One either.

Who did your pick as No 1 Heavyweight Jack Dempsey beat who was great?

Whomever it is, Miske or Sharkey, Patterson would have an argument.

="SaadOffTheDeck"] While there might not be a million even money fights with two prime guys, there is certainly tens of thousands.

I think that number is a bit high, especially if we're talking specifically about battles between two "great" fighters, and not just ANY two even money guys.

Even in more modern era's you can spit them out rapidly off of the top of your head. Floyd/Chico, Floyd/Castillo, DLH/Mosley, DLH/Tito, Hopkins/Tito, etc..

It depends. Opinions vary on the level of greatness of some of the men you listed, weather or not they were fully primed and fighting at their best weights. Golden boy vs Sugar Shane is one example of yours that I agree with or at least in their first meeting. Tito was over his head against Hopkins when moving up in weight. I didn't see Floyd vs Castillo or Chico.

Tito was favored over Hopkins and Corrales was favored over Floyd. While that number is inflated, it's not nearly as rare as you're making it out to be.

P.S. I'm going to give you a pass on that one. Anymore posts directed at me in a broken down manner will get the patented

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Tito was favored over Hopkins and Corrales was favored over Floyd. While that number is inflated, it's not nearly as rare as you're making it out to be.

P.S. I'm going to give you a pass on that one. Anymore posts directed at me in a broken down manner will get the patented

I don't know why you take issue with breaking down posts and trying to address each point directly. I find it easier that way. As for the rarity of match-ups where two men who are universally recognized as two greats in their primes and at ideal weights meeting each other, I'd say its not very common. But that's just my opinion.

drunkenpiper36 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Tito was favored over Hopkins and Corrales was favored over Floyd. While that number is inflated, it's not nearly as rare as you're making it out to be.

P.S. I'm going to give you a pass on that one. Anymore posts directed at me in a broken down manner will get the patented

I don't know why you take issue with breaking down posts and trying to address each point directly. I find it easier that way. As for the rarity of match-ups where two men who are universally recognized as two greats in their primes and at ideal weights meeting each other, I'd say its not very common. But that's just my opinion.

It's not that I take issue with it, I just don't care to read them under that format. I've told you a few times. It's no big deal, I just figured I'd mention it one last time as I assume when you address a post to me you would like me to read it.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

drunkenpiper36 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Tito was favored over Hopkins and Corrales was favored over Floyd. While that number is inflated, it's not nearly as rare as you're making it out to be.

P.S. I'm going to give you a pass on that one. Anymore posts directed at me in a broken down manner will get the patented

I don't know why you take issue with breaking down posts and trying to address each point directly. I find it easier that way. As for the rarity of match-ups where two men who are universally recognized as two greats in their primes and at ideal weights meeting each other, I'd say its not very common. But that's just my opinion.

It's not that I take issue with it, I just don't care to read them under that format. I've told you a few times. It's no big deal, I just figured I'd mention it one last time as I assume when you address a post to me you would like me to read it.

Fair enough, but if you're responses get lengthy than its easier for me to take them apart rather than to write one giant paragraph addressing a novel. the last one wasn't one such example.

drunkenpiper36 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

drunkenpiper36 wrote:
I don't know why you take issue with breaking down posts and trying to address each point directly. I find it easier that way. As for the rarity of match-ups where two men who are universally recognized as two greats in their primes and at ideal weights meeting each other, I'd say its not very common. But that's just my opinion.

It's not that I take issue with it, I just don't care to read them under that format. I've told you a few times. It's no big deal, I just figured I'd mention it one last time as I assume when you address a post to me you would like me to read it.

Fair enough, but if you're responses get lengthy than its easier for me to take them apart rather than to write one giant paragraph addressing a novel. the last one wasn't one such example.

Paragraphs work just fine.

Paragraphs work just fine.

Very well... I am going to be running along now. have a great day Saad..

****walking away****

COONEY, Cooney, Cooney,Cooney,Cooney,Cooney

drunkenpiper36 wrote:

Paragraphs work just fine.

Very well... I am going to be running along now. have a great day Saad..

****walking away****

COONEY, Cooney, Cooney,Cooney,Cooney,Cooney

Did Joe Louis beat any great heavies?

scallum wrote:Did Joe Louis beat any great heavies?

Yes. His name was Arnold Cream.

scallum wrote:Did Joe Louis beat any great heavies?

Yup, Schmeling, Walcott, Conn, Sharkey & Baer.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

scallum wrote:Did Joe Louis beat any great heavies?

Yup, Schmeling, Walcott, Conn, Sharkey & Baer.

And adding to that fine list, I will also mention Bob Pastor. Though I may be a minority in classifying him as great.

Louis fought a ton of excellent fighters. The 'bum of the month' was more an indictment of how unbeatable he was and is taken out of context now.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Louis fought a ton of excellent fighters. The 'bum of the month' was more an indictment of how unbeatable he was and is taken out of context now.

Absolutely. It had little or nothing to do with the actual quality of the fighters. He did fight several less than deserving men, but inevitably so will any long reigning champion.

David Tua

AngryGoon38 wrote:David Tua

Was he great?

I know it's subjective & we all have opinions that are valid & should be respected, but I've never considered, nor have I heard Tua referred to as great.

Syntax Error wrote:

AngryGoon38 wrote:David Tua

Was he great?

I know it's subjective & we all have opinions that are valid & should be respected, but I've never considered, nor have I heard Tua referred to as great.

for some strange reason many americans really rate Tua

stevedoc wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:

AngryGoon38 wrote:David Tua

Was he great?

I know it's subjective & we all have opinions that are valid & should be respected, but I've never considered, nor have I heard Tua referred to as great.

for some strange reason many americans really rate Tua

Tua isn't even close to great.

LMAO @ Golota and Tua.

Hamed and Gatti while we're at it. They at least managed to pick up some belts along the way.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:It really isn't, especially if you go back to earlier era's. While there might not be a million even money fights with two prime guys, there is certainly tens of thousands. Even in more modern era's you can spit them out rapidly off of the top of your head. Floyd/Chico, Floyd/Castillo, DLH/Mosley, DLH/Tito, Hopkins/Tito, etc..

Corrales was not a great fighter.

dempseyfire wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:It really isn't, especially if you go back to earlier era's. While there might not be a million even money fights with two prime guys, there is certainly tens of thousands. Even in more modern era's you can spit them out rapidly off of the top of your head. Floyd/Chico, Floyd/Castillo, DLH/Mosley, DLH/Tito, Hopkins/Tito, etc..

Corrales was not a great fighter.

I know he wasn't, but at the time he was supposed to beat Floyd.

Il Duce wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Charles 'Sonny' Liston

Beat a lot of good fighters, but never beat a Great One. As a matter of fact, he never faced a Great One either.

Who did your pick as No 1 Heavyweight Jack Dempsey beat who was great?

You're not serious are you.........

Is that your best answer? Terminally ill Billy Miske? Controversial win vs not so great Sharkey? Tommy Gibbons weighing 175lb? Come on numb nuts, why is Jack Dempsey the best?