Re: Tony Ayala Jr - How well would he have done?
Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 14:52
He would have knocked him out in 1 or 2 rounds. Earl Hargrove or Mark Medel would have been good fights.
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Re: Tony Ayala Jr - How well would he have done?
Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 15:06
Maybe Hargrove, don't know about Medal.
Re: Tony Ayala Jr - How well would he have done?
Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 15:07
Medel was better than Hargrove(he stopped him) and they were both better than Roger Leonard.Nile4000 wrote:Maybe Hargrove, don't know about Medal.
Re: Tony Ayala Jr - How well would he have done?
Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 15:10
He was very fierce and hard hitting but he didn't have the patience to be a well rounded fighter. If he'd have not gone to jail he'd have been dead through drugs most likely.
(I wonder how Mike Ayala is doing? He was a fine boxer).
(I wonder how Mike Ayala is doing? He was a fine boxer).
Re: Tony Ayala Jr - How well would he have done?
Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 15:11
His brother, one thing about him always got me. On the day/morning of his fight with Lopez he shot up heroin. I just never really got my head round that.
Re: Tony Ayala Jr - How well would he have done?
Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 15:13
That fight was incredible, I don't recall another fight being stopped and restarted like that.
Re: Tony Ayala Jr - How well would he have done?
Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 15:18
I've never seen anyone counter off the ropes as well as Ayala did; he must have had some fantastic ability and reactions to box like that when smashed on smack.
Re: Tony Ayala Jr - How well would he have done?
Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 15:20
On the DVD I have, there's a pre-fight interview with him in a gondola, of all things. He looks pretty stoned right there.
Re: Tony Ayala Jr - How well would he have done?
Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 16:25
Buster Drayton v Tony Ayala would have been a good bout; McCallum would have scalped him.
(It's surprising that he's due out next month - I thought he'd been lifed off).
(It's surprising that he's due out next month - I thought he'd been lifed off).
Re: Tony Ayala Jr - How well would he have done?
Posted: 28 Feb 2014, 15:07
Seems like Tony was a true punani.
Re: Tony Ayala Jr - How well would he have done?
Posted: 28 Feb 2014, 18:07
Lets see Robby Epps was a top ten middleweight who beat some solid guys. Hunter Clay was a journeyman at best. Love everyone's opinion but these stories by Il whatever are ridiculous. Tony Ayala was a tremendous prospect but his own worst enemy. As a young amateur I sparred Alex Ramos a good deal. Slick fighter till he got hit on the chin. Went down way too much in the gym. One of life's unfair tricks as he had everything else. Davey Moore would have most likely been run over my Ayala. However Ayala's lifestyle of drugs and booze would have ended him soon anyways.
Re: Tony Ayala Jr - How well would he have done?
Posted: 28 Feb 2014, 21:39
What was Hunter Clays best win up to 1982?
Re: Tony Ayala Jr - How well would he have done?
Posted: 28 Feb 2014, 23:38
Really? Did you see any of these guys fight, because there is no record indicating any of them were "excellent" fighters. None of them ever beat anyone worth a shiteIl Duce wrote:* October 8, 1979...... TKO 10........Fighting RomanusControversial wrote:What was Hunter Clays best win up to 1982?
* December 1, 1979.....KO 5..........Kevin Odus
* December 28, 1979...W Dec 10....Obletey Commey
* October 3, 1980........KO 3..........Kevin Odus
* May 12, 1981...........W Dec 15....Dan Patterson
* May 28, 1982...........KO 2...........Owo Blow
* June 27, 1982..........KO 8...........Tony Blackson
* All excellent Nigerian fighters.
Re: Tony Ayala Jr - How well would he have done?
Posted: 28 Feb 2014, 23:49
Re: Epps. Wasn't champion material but out-worked Davidson and not sure it was "lucky." Epps was a decent fringe contender and Davidson had a tendency to be lazy. I remember watching Mann beat Epps and thinking it said a whole lot about Davidson, who was considered an up-and-coming contender to Hagler. Hagler would have KO'd Epps within a few rounds and Davidson within six to eightIl Duce wrote:Dancin' Dan Has 'Two' Left FeetDancin' Dan wrote:Lets see Robby Epps was a top ten middleweight who beat some solid guys. Hunter Clay was a journeyman at best. Love everyone's opinion but these stories by Il whatever are ridiculous. Tony Ayala was a tremendous prospect but his own worst enemy. As a young amateur I sparred Alex Ramos a good deal. Slick fighter till he got hit on the chin. Went down way too much in the gym. One of life's unfair tricks as he had everything else. Davey Moore would have most likely been run over my Ayala. However Ayala's lifestyle of drugs and booze would have ended him soon anyways.
Hunter 'Tad Oje' Clay
* In mid-1982 > Hunter 'Tad Oje' Clay was a very good Light-Middleweight. And he was only {Age; 20 1/2}.
* Let's not forget the '3-Time' Rapist pulled out 'twice' in fighting Hunter Clay in 1982.
* Who's to say that Hunter Clay wouldn't have out-boxed the 'Rapist'.
Robbie Epps vs. Tony Ayala Jr.
* 24 year-old - 6' 2" - 158 lb. lanky string-bean.
* Decent boxer with absolutely no strength or punch.
* Had only '1-Bout' in 14-Months prior to fighting Tony Ayala Jr.
* In his last bout {March 1982} he lost and was nearly KO'd by club-fighter - Ted Mann
Beat some solid guys. I think not. He had 'one' lucky win over sleep-walking Dwight Davidson in June 1981.
Re: Tony Ayala Jr - How well would he have done?
Posted: 01 Mar 2014, 03:45
Great description of Robby Epps. Who used to be trained by Tony Sr. Hence the fight and bad blood. Hunter Clay....please avoid by no one. Journeyman. Il you should post under the fantasy section for all the stories you make up. Club fighters who Ali feared....OK. So who was truly great in your book? No fake a@@ stories just your opinion. That is what a forum is for.
Re: Tony Ayala Jr - How well would he have done?
Posted: 01 Mar 2014, 09:16
No need for quotation marks around 'talented' for Herol Graham - that man was brilliant on the way up.Il Duce wrote:Hunter 'Tad Oje' Clay
In 1982, he was only {Age; 20 1/2},
And he did go 15 competitive Rounds with the 'talented' Herol Graham on September 30, 1982 for the
British-Commonwealth Light-Middleweight Championship.
The case is, Lou Duva didn't want Tony Ayala Jr. to fight him after agreeing to......... :>
Re: Tony Ayala Jr - How well would he have done?
Posted: 01 Mar 2014, 09:32
Re: Tony Ayala Jr - How well would he have done?
Posted: 01 Mar 2014, 14:40
Agreed Herol Graham was one of the most talented guys in that era to not win a world title. Very slick fighter without big pop.