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Posted: 19 May 2004, 10:07
by J
I once read (in "FACING ALI") a report by some american quack, who reckoned there was a strong link to where ali used to get hit a lot, (round the backside of the head behnd the ears) and there is a definite link (in his mind anyway) between the specific area that Ali took punishment that could have a contribution to his present degenerative condition.
Dunno how true that is medically but could feasibly have some credence .
Posted: 19 May 2004, 10:08
by stujones
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Ali does indeed suffer from Parkinson's SYNDROME, not Parkinson's disease.
Parkinson's disease is not caused by trauma, it is a condition of unknown progeny, probably due to a genetic propensity.
Parkinson's syndrome can be caused by many different factors, including infections which lead to brain injury, trauma, poisons and chemicals.
'Parkinsonism' is a blanket term which covers a number of conditions which result in loss of muscle control and tremour, physical weakness and loss of co-ordination.
It is very hard to prove that there is a link between Ali's Parkinsonism and his boxing career, but even Ferdie Pachecho readily states that he believes Ali's ill health to be a direct or indirect result of the batterings he took.
However, you have to wonder how someone like Jake LaMotta or Archie Moore managed to live so well so long, Archie had WAY more fights than Ali, and took some ser ious beatings too.
Certainly his symptoms have changed from when he first had it (the shaking) so I do wonder if it now the Parkinsons disease.
Good post, and fair play to Pachecho for stating this. I'll have to find that book I read and post the title here, it certainly suggest that if the scans we have now would have been available then, the Greatest might not have fought proffesionally.
Posted: 19 May 2004, 12:18
by KOJOE90
stujones wrote: I'll have to find that book I read and post the title here, it certainly suggest that if the scans we have now would have been available then, the Greatest might not have fought proffesionally.
If you could find the title that would be great, I'd like to read it, I have a friend who lectures Sport Science at University if you can get me the title she should be able to get me a cheap copy.
Re: Wayne McCullough: get out while you still can
Posted: 19 May 2004, 12:31
by DG.
bennie wrote:The Belfast Telegraph is reporting that faded old soldier Wayne McCullough is hoping to fight on the Audley Harrison bill on June 19.
"I have talked with Audley and it's just a matter of tying a few things up," said Wayne. "He's keen to have me on the show and to give me a chance.
"I would expect it to be a 10-rounder and it will be great just to be able to get fighting again. "I saw Injin Chi defeat Michael Brodie for the WBC featherweight title and I know I would beat him. He's not a special fighter. There are others there but it's just a matter of getting the chance and so far it has been hard to get a deal done."
McCullough needs to be matched very carefully if he does return to the ring. Like Riddick Bowe, the Irishman's best days are long gone. Incidentally, there's talk of The Black Rhino for big Audley.
I heard that Davis ? ( New Cruiserweight champion at 5ft 7 - boxing news i think ! )
Knocked out Clifford in sparring - good fight for Audley !.
Etienne is not up to much !
WM should not be so silly - chi chews him up !
If Robocop Scott Harrison can do it - chi destroys him !
Posted: 20 May 2004, 11:57
by Kieran
Wayne sees Esham Pickering as a route back.
Big mistake.
This fight is perfectly timed for Esh, but sadly too late for Wayne.
Surely he's banked enough to consider his health.
I really rate Wayne, but I don't understand why he wants another shot.
Posted: 21 May 2004, 15:19
by black panther
in response to the stuff on ali and archie moore i guess the only reason some people take beatings well is due to genetics so yes ali probably inherited a reccessive gene that causes parkinsons. Even if his mum and dad didnt have it he could easily inherit arecessive gene from each. Same reason why if u tap ettiene on the chin he ll fall but whack tuas with a baseball bat and he wont budge - GENETICS.
Posted: 21 May 2004, 16:38
by stujones
If you can compare McCullough to Johnny Tapia - then Wayne has years left in him.
I'm not saying he will win a world title, but I am thinking he will cause a few surprises.
Scott Harrison might not be the most gifted of master boxers, but I don't think you ever had to be to beat Wayne. Wayne is teak tough with an incredible engine and amazing chin, it just against Harrison he found some also with a big engine who was that much stronger.
I'm not trying to do either a trying to do either a disservice, both will go down as two of Britain finest fighters in the last 10 years. However, I'm sure even the most ardent Wayne fans no he has always had some limitation (alot of plus points aswell). Wayne showed in his comeback fights that he was still able to throw 100 odd punches a round, I don't know if he can sustain it (although I have no reason to suggest he can't). Normally, Wayne has to take 3 or 4 to throw 10, but against Harrison each one of the 3 or 4 were hurting him (as he said).
I went for Wayne to win, I just thought he would be able to walk through Scott - I was wrong, but I think that would have happend in his prime. He's just not strong enough against someone pushing 10 stone come fight time.