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jameswilson wrote:

expe wrote: Dodson and Quigley are no better than Sexton and Donnelly though and Butler won in better fashion than Smith, along with the wins over those fighters, Ali and Gonzalez, and being more active, make Butler more worthy of a world title shot than Smith. Even if the inter-continental titles aren't with the same body, fighting for them shows that the fighter is trying to do something to earn a world title shot and work towards one, not just sitting around fighting twice a year against journeymen like Smith's mostly done for the last few years. You say that Butler has just conveniently popped up in the IBF rankings, what about Smith with the WBO then? He hasn't won any sort of international title, let alone a WBO version, but has popped up at #3 in the rankings. He isn't the best super middleweight in Britain, or even his own family. In all honesty it could be argued that Paul Smith is the 6th/7th best super middleweight in the country and the 3rd best in Liverpool, but he seems to be getting a world title fight on the back of absolutely nothing in terms of victories or any substantial effort.

You do make excellent points early in your post, I obviously just disagree with a few of them. However Smith hasn't just popped up in the WBO rankings, he has been top 15 with them for ages, years, and actually been around about 8 or higher for ages, despite defeats. Am I saying it's right to rank him that high? Absolutely not, but that along with the BBBoC not being able to find suitable defences for him/the Fielding situation is why he has been in keep busy fights only. Also I'm not sure what point your making about Smith not being the best in Britain, it's not relevant at all. Carl Froch wasn't the best in the country when he got his shot at Pascal. And again I made the point earlier that Butler is the 4th best Bantamweight in Britain.

The_Don1 wrote:Paul 'El Miserable' Smith is the world champion of being a moaning twat, he doesn't deserve it he was schooled by DeGale and smashed by Groves. He will lose against Abraham on BN, not Sky, as BN have a deal with Sauerland.

thechump wrote: Fair play to him tho its not his fault a world title shot might of just landed on his lap.

danconnollyeire wrote:Paul Smith peaked about five years ago and would've never become champion had he had his shot then. Callum would stop Paul and would have a decent chance against Abraham, even now

thepocketrocket wrote:I find it insane that Smith has got a shot whilst Crolla is still waiting for his

thepocketrocket wrote:I find it insane that Smith has got a shot whilst Crolla is still waiting for his

Brian Moore wrote:

thepocketrocket wrote:I find it insane that Smith has got a shot whilst Crolla is still waiting for his

Given the calibre of Smith's ability he should be promoted by that Chester gypo promotional firm that you hang to the coattails of.

Brian Moore wrote:

thepocketrocket wrote:I find it insane that Smith has got a shot whilst Crolla is still waiting for his

Given the calibre of Smith's ability he should be promoted by that Chester gypo promotional firm that you hang to the coattails of.

expe wrote:

thepocketrocket wrote:I find it insane that Smith has got a shot whilst Crolla is still waiting for his

There's another that isn't deserving of a world title fight, IMO lucky to get the decision against Rees and failed to beat Derry Mathews twice, but in some people's view deserves a world title fight.

thepocketrocket wrote:

Brian Moore wrote:

thepocketrocket wrote:I find it insane that Smith has got a shot whilst Crolla is still waiting for his

Given the calibre of Smith's ability he should be promoted by that Chester gypo promotional firm that you hang to the coattails of.

Actually work for them...but calling people gypo's is racist and action should be taken

Good spot after 56 posts though...could you maybe be a previously banned user?? Cretin

palooka wrote:

Brian Moore wrote:

thepocketrocket wrote:I find it insane that Smith has got a shot whilst Crolla is still waiting for his

Given the calibre of Smith's ability he should be promoted by that Chester gypo promotional firm that you hang to the coattails of.

You've still got time to edit it before you catch some flak Brian.

Brian Moore wrote:

thepocketrocket wrote:

expe wrote:

thepocketrocket wrote:I find it insane that Smith has got a shot whilst Crolla is still waiting for his

There's another that isn't deserving of a world title fight, IMO lucky to get the decision against Rees and failed to beat Derry Mathews twice, but in some people's view deserves a world title fight.

Beat Rees perfectly straight after Rees had faced Broner, and beat Murray who has faced Rios.....

Not sure who he has to face to get a shot...maybe a prime Duran

expe wrote:

jameswilson wrote:

expe wrote: Dodson and Quigley are no better than Sexton and Donnelly though and Butler won in better fashion than Smith, along with the wins over those fighters, Ali and Gonzalez, and being more active, make Butler more worthy of a world title shot than Smith. Even if the inter-continental titles aren't with the same body, fighting for them shows that the fighter is trying to do something to earn a world title shot and work towards one, not just sitting around fighting twice a year against journeymen like Smith's mostly done for the last few years. You say that Butler has just conveniently popped up in the IBF rankings, what about Smith with the WBO then? He hasn't won any sort of international title, let alone a WBO version, but has popped up at #3 in the rankings. He isn't the best super middleweight in Britain, or even his own family. In all honesty it could be argued that Paul Smith is the 6th/7th best super middleweight in the country and the 3rd best in Liverpool, but he seems to be getting a world title fight on the back of absolutely nothing in terms of victories or any substantial effort.

You do make excellent points early in your post, I obviously just disagree with a few of them. However Smith hasn't just popped up in the WBO rankings, he has been top 15 with them for ages, years, and actually been around about 8 or higher for ages, despite defeats. Am I saying it's right to rank him that high? Absolutely not, but that along with the BBBoC not being able to find suitable defences for him/the Fielding situation is why he has been in keep busy fights only. Also I'm not sure what point your making about Smith not being the best in Britain, it's not relevant at all. Carl Froch wasn't the best in the country when he got his shot at Pascal. And again I made the point earlier that Butler is the 4th best Bantamweight in Britain.

And how did he get into the WBO rankings in the first place? He didn't do anything in the ring to earn the ranking, same as Butler hasn't, the only difference is that he mysteriously popped up in the rankings earlier than Butler did. There haven't been any suitable domestic opponents available, although he was scheduled to fight Blackledge before he pulled out and changed promoters, but they could have brought international opponents in or if he has to be in keep busy fights, at least fight more often than every 6 months, there's no shortage of shows in Liverpool and Matchroom put plenty on in the North West, so he could be boxing every 2 months if he wanted, even if the opponents were poor.

jameswilson wrote:

expe wrote:

jameswilson wrote:
You do make excellent points early in your post, I obviously just disagree with a few of them. However Smith hasn't just popped up in the WBO rankings, he has been top 15 with them for ages, years, and actually been around about 8 or higher for ages, despite defeats. Am I saying it's right to rank him that high? Absolutely not, but that along with the BBBoC not being able to find suitable defences for him/the Fielding situation is why he has been in keep busy fights only. Also I'm not sure what point your making about Smith not being the best in Britain, it's not relevant at all. Carl Froch wasn't the best in the country when he got his shot at Pascal. And again I made the point earlier that Butler is the 4th best Bantamweight in Britain.

And how did he get into the WBO rankings in the first place? He didn't do anything in the ring to earn the ranking, same as Butler hasn't, the only difference is that he mysteriously popped up in the rankings earlier than Butler did. There haven't been any suitable domestic opponents available, although he was scheduled to fight Blackledge before he pulled out and changed promoters, but they could have brought international opponents in or if he has to be in keep busy fights, at least fight more often than every 6 months, there's no shortage of shows in Liverpool and Matchroom put plenty on in the North West, so he could be boxing every 2 months if he wanted, even if the opponents were poor.

Well I think you and me both know why he popped up in the rankings when he did. It wouldn't surprise me if he popped up just before his fight with DeGale.

expe wrote: I do wonder why he left VVarren though, if he wanted the Abraham fight, surely staying with someone who has great links with the WBO would have been the smart move, if Abraham doesn't make the voluntary against him, Fwank could probably get him the mandatory position, or an easy fight in Liverpool as a final eliminator.

jameswilson wrote:

expe wrote: I do wonder why he left VVarren though, if he wanted the Abraham fight, surely staying with someone who has great links with the WBO would have been the smart move, if Abraham doesn't make the voluntary against him, Fwank could probably get him the mandatory position, or an easy fight in Liverpool as a final eliminator.

Well I'v no idea why either. Possibly he saw the potential for shows in Liverpool with his brothers and thought there was more money with those than with Queensbury.

thepocketrocket wrote:The point i am making is that these guys have fought for world titles in recent memory, and you can call the Rees fight questionable all you want, Crolla won it fair and square. Remember, Rees had only vacated his euro championship and all.

To call him undeserving of a world title shot is hyperbole. I would argue that he is more deserving than most of todays challengers, considering the proliferation of belts