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Posted: **31 May 2014, 08:46**

Hopkins
Wlad
Ruiz
Adrien 'can't get a' Boner
Vincenzo Nardiello
Ottke

I can't believe anybody with any knowledge of boxing would deny Leonard greatness. I don't particularly like the person but he is the most complete fighter I have ever seen and his accomplishments over a relatively short career are amazing.

Posted: **31 May 2014, 10:02**

I dont think I have disliked many fighters. I have disliked some of the way some fighters have treated each other. I felt Wilfred Benitez could be very disrespectful to his oppononts like when he K,Od Maurice Hope. When Hamed chinned Steve Robinson I thought his behaviour in the ring was pretty tasteless. I didnt like the way Ali got away with some very cruel things he said about Joe Frazier and some of his other opponents.

Even now I hate to see a fighter stand over someone they have just knocked over. I remember Hamed fighting and then you would see lots of young kids at amateur shows copying the staring and the showboating and you could see how this behaviour spreads down the game.

Posted: **31 May 2014, 12:39**

but they all get their karma in the end

Posted: **31 May 2014, 13:09**

drunkenpiper36 wrote:
warriorpoet wrote: I don't hate Leonard,but looking back at his career I think he was very good but not great!I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

You're entitled to your opinion but you are grossly in the minority. An olympic gold medalist who goes on to beat Wilfred Benitez, Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns and Marvin Hagler shouldn't be seen as anything less than great.

Good amateur career.1st half of his pro career was good and he was never knocked down.After the detached retina,he was knocked down once by clubfighter Kevin Howard,A very disputable decision win against Hagler.He was knocked down by an average Donny Lalonde en route to a tko win.He was knocked down twice against a fading Hearns(how they called that a draw was a travesty,he cleary got his but kicked!).He was knocked down twice by an average Terry Norris en route to another butt kicking loss.Last but not least he got knocked down and stopped by a very light hitting Hector Camacho.There was a good part of his thousand comebacks though and that was a great decision win against 103 year old Roberto Duran......NOT!Good yes,great hardly!

Posted: **31 May 2014, 13:14**

misterpunch wrote:
warriorpoet wrote:This is my top 10,in no particular order:
(1)Adrien Broner
(2)Floyd Mayweather
(3)Prince Naseem Hamed
(4)Riddick Bowe
(5)Victor Ortiz
(6)Carlos Monzon
(7)Tony Ayala Jr.
(8)Edwin Valero
(9)Alan Minter
(10)Zab Judah
can you explain why you hate alan minter and carlos monzon - what have they done to you?

I never said I hated anyone.I did not care for Minter's racist comments about Hagler,saying something like,"Ain't no black man gonna' take my title"!Monzon was a habitual woman beater and a murderer and so was Valero.

Posted: **31 May 2014, 15:16**

warriorpoet wrote:
drunkenpiper36 wrote:
warriorpoet wrote: I don't hate Leonard,but looking back at his career I think he was very good but not great!I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

You're entitled to your opinion but you are grossly in the minority. An olympic gold medalist who goes on to beat Wilfred Benitez, Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns and Marvin Hagler shouldn't be seen as anything less than great.

Good amateur career.1st half of his pro career was good and he was never knocked down.After the detached retina,he was knocked down once by clubfighter Kevin Howard,A very disputable decision win against Hagler.He was knocked down by an average Donny Lalonde en route to a tko win.He was knocked down twice against a fading Hearns(how they called that a draw was a travesty,he cleary got his but kicked!).He was knocked down twice by an average Terry Norris en route to another butt kicking loss.Last but not least he got knocked down and stopped by a very light hitting Hector Camacho.There was a good part of his thousand comebacks though and that was a great decision win against 103 year old Roberto Duran......NOT!Good yes,great hardly!

Anyone who includes his defeats to Camacho and Norris is laughable. He was long shot and done by then.. He was further past his prime against Hearns than Tommy was and contrary to what you said, it was still a close fight even though Tommy deserved the nod. He had fought once in five years and was making his middle weight debut against Hagler yet got the win... His third fight with Duran was within the same calendar year that Duran bested Iran Barkley....... Leonard was great...

Posted: **31 May 2014, 22:49**

drunkenpiper36 wrote:
warriorpoet wrote:
drunkenpiper36 wrote: You're entitled to your opinion but you are grossly in the minority. An olympic gold medalist who goes on to beat Wilfred Benitez, Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns and Marvin Hagler shouldn't be seen as anything less than great.

Good amateur career.1st half of his pro career was good and he was never knocked down.After the detached retina,he was knocked down once by clubfighter Kevin Howard,A very disputable decision win against Hagler.He was knocked down by an average Donny Lalonde en route to a tko win.He was knocked down twice against a fading Hearns(how they called that a draw was a travesty,he cleary got his but kicked!).He was knocked down twice by an average Terry Norris en route to another butt kicking loss.Last but not least he got knocked down and stopped by a very light hitting Hector Camacho.There was a good part of his thousand comebacks though and that was a great decision win against 103 year old Roberto Duran......NOT!Good yes,great hardly!
He was further past his prime against Hearns than Tommy was

Posted: **01 Jun 2014, 13:44**

warriorpoet wrote:
misterpunch wrote:
warriorpoet wrote:This is my top 10,in no particular order:
(1)Adrien Broner
(2)Floyd Mayweather
(3)Prince Naseem Hamed
(4)Riddick Bowe
(5)Victor Ortiz
(6)Carlos Monzon
(7)Tony Ayala Jr.
(8)Edwin Valero
(9)Alan Minter
(10)Zab Judah
can you explain why you hate alan minter and carlos monzon - what have they done to you?

I never said I hated anyone.I did not care for Minter's racist comments about Hagler,saying something like,"Ain't no black man gonna' take my title"!Monzon was a habitual woman beater and a murderer and so was Valero.

Why isn't Bernard Hopkins on that list then? He said he'd never lose to a white boy, just like Minter said a black man wouldn't take his title.

Posted: **01 Jun 2014, 16:43**

Roberto Duran
James Toney
Bernard Hopkins
Tony Ayala
Livingstone Bramble
David Haye
The whole Hilton clan

Posted: **01 Jun 2014, 19:23**

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
warriorpoet wrote:Growing up during Leonard's early career,he was one of my favorites.With all his retirements and comebacks(and demands of what size gloves he wanted to wear,ring size,and carefully picked opponents)he became one of my least favorite fighters.He picked the late Hector Camacho as a safe opponent because Camacho was not a big puncher.Whoops,that did not work out too well,Sugar Ray got tko'd in the 5th round!I didn't like The Sugar Ray Robinson comparison either,Leonard had 40 pro fights,Robinson had 200.Sugar Ray Leonard did have some good wins but I think he was very overated!
Nobody hates Leonard more than I, but he was far from overrated. One of the 25 or so greatest fighters in history.

It's hard to disagree.the Benitez and hearns wins alone very very special .the Duran rematch and hagler fight icing on an already splendid cake.although the hagler fight I had a draw

Posted: **01 Jun 2014, 19:26**

Tony ayala jnr- a dirty son of a bitch

Davey hilton

Adrian boner

Nigel Benn-thug and violent psycho

Posted: **01 Jun 2014, 19:34**

Carl Froch. He just fucks up all my predictions. I was positive Taylor and Groves would beat him, I was actually worried for his health when he went in against Abraham!

Posted: **01 Jun 2014, 19:46**

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

I'm guessing the laughing emoticon means that you think Hearns was more past it even though he had been far more active in recent years, was the slightly younger of the two, clearly better suited for fighting above 160, and would chalk up a win over Virgil Hill a full two years later.. OK...

Posted: **01 Jun 2014, 22:14**

The only reason hearns got the fight is because he was widely thought to be finished. It's the same nonsense people try to pull with Tyson/Holyfield. they were both past their best, Hearns just happens to be a stylistic nightmare for Leonard at any point in their careers. Particularly over 12 rounds.

Posted: **01 Jun 2014, 22:18**

I hated Leonard when I was a kid because I was such a big Hearns fan, but anyone saying he wasn't great has never seen him fight. He was the best p4p in my lifetime I think. I never have really seen anyone quite like him.

I get the Broner thing I don't know of any fighter that has ever annoyed me as much.

Golota was annoying too, don't think I hated him, but I get it.

It's funny seems much harder to hate boxers than it does athletes from other sports. In their own way they have a sort of dignity that isn't always matched by guys in the big team sports.

Posted: **02 Jun 2014, 07:20**

I think we should forget what fighters say and do outside the ring - minter, Hopkins, ayala, monzon etc etc most people are flawed (I alone am perfect)
but broner - he acts like a pillock outside and INSIDE the ropes!!!!!!!!!!!!
I suggest he is the most disliked fighter of them all.

Posted: **02 Jun 2014, 08:31**

Luis Resto comes to mind, but I began to feel more pity for him than hate after watching Assault in The Ring.
Panama Lewis, Antonio Margarito.

Posted: **02 Jun 2014, 09:34**

="SaadOffTheDeck"]The only reason hearns got the fight is because he was widely thought to be finished.

This perception doesn't change Leonard's status at the time either.

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they were both past their best, Hearns just happens to be a stylistic nightmare for Leonard at any point in their careers. Particularly over 12 rounds.

I think pretty much everyone including those two fighters themselves knew they were both past their best. But Hearns had the advantage above 160, regardless of what chances Leonard though he had there. And hindsight certainly tells us that Tommy continued to be successful for a few more years whilst Leonard wasn't.

P.S. I don't know what happened to the font in your post.

Posted: **02 Jun 2014, 11:41**

I don't read posts in those formats. Thanks for the effort.

Posted: **02 Jun 2014, 12:29**

You addressed a comment to me first, so not my fault if you don't like the way I respond.

Posted: **02 Jun 2014, 13:02**

I've told you several times, it's not my fault if you want to waste time typing something I'll never read. You rarely offer anything of substance anyway. Just the same hypocritical stuff for whatever suits your stance.

Posted: **02 Jun 2014, 13:09**

I shouldn't have to change my writing style for someone who I never start discussions with anyway. You don't like what I write. Don't give me comments.. Simple..

Posted: **02 Jun 2014, 13:44**

I never told you to change anything, I just won't read it. If you want to waste your time, feel free. As for starting a discussion I laughed at a comment.

Posted: **02 Jun 2014, 13:46**

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: As for starting a discussion I laughed at a comment.

Yes with the hope of getting a response. I gave you one. You acted like a c-nt as usual.

Posted: **02 Jun 2014, 13:54**

Where do I start? :P

Ricardo Mayorga - Nincompoop.
Adrien Broner - Smug, arrogant & not as good as he thinks he is.
James Butler - Violent thug.
Andrew Golota - Dirty bar steward.
Riddick Bowe - Gobby twit (with an A) & terrified of a man who he insists is gay.

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